Miss the individual ROF curves

[B12]

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We've lost a lot since moving from ROF to FC.

I get it, its all about VR air quake for the regulars here and you like to use voice comms too .... I've seen it first hand, heard it too.

Just look at the topics here ... and they all support voice comms it seems on the various air quake servers.

Usual guys that know the servers, know the voice channels too, what sort of fun is that?

Lets face it Folks, 777 never really committed to this module in the way they committed to others, it was full price and has the least content of any them, it leans on third party guys to provide it and I think that's not the best way to go forward

I know I'll get chased away again from here by the usual fan boy regulars ... but I would just like to say, upon departure ... I like WW1 aviation just as much if not more than you all too.

Jason and or 777 need to step up to the plate soon and let us WW1 guys know what future plans are, FC vol 2 or not?  ... this is all so very very disappointing.

Thank you very much

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Oh, and I will not be buying more from 777, including this new theatre until they can at least confirm or deny their intentions for Flying Circus.

I have my limits.

Edited December 11, 2019 by SYN_Haashashin

[J2_Jakob]

17 minutes ago, B12 said:

Oh, and I will not be buying more from 777, including this new theatre until they can at least confirm or deny their intentions for Flying Circus.

 

I hear ya...

 

Likewise. It was my last € spent on anything here. At least until some of the essential bugs are fixed and future intentions of FC are revealed.

[Zooropa_Fly]

Slightly mis-leading title btw

Curves - not a worry for me with a light action stick, but I understand the issue. A stabiliser available for pre-set to all planes in the hanger would be enough to pacify most about that I think, if some could bear it not being overly historical.

 

Personally, I've bought all but a couple of collector planes and the tank game, all in anticipation of FC when it was announced.

It has felt from the start as if they were almost expecting it to 'fail'. I'm not saying people sat down and discussed it in such terms of course..

There's one or two things I think have helped destroy the ww1 simming numbers, perhaps in fact it was all a planned way back, to get us into ww2 instead.

 

But sticking to FC I think there's been two big mistakes :

1. Not doing 2 planes that weren't in RoF. (That's the 2nd biggest gripe on here)

2. I find it bemusing that when by admission, something like 80% play SP only, they release it without any real SP content ? (Pat Wilson is a great guy who does great things, full respect. But many have clearly been disappointed that there was nothing from the big boys upon release).

 

Then there's the long EA - works for ww2, but I don't think it did for ww1 - being stand alone as it is.

About half of the pilots who initially appeared in MP in the early part of EA are nowhere to be seen now.

And as stated above there are a few things needing fixed that haven't been during the EA period, granted a few have been.

 

Everyone seems to say "graphics" and "vr" in relation to FC. The better graphics are fine, but not essential to me, RoF is good enough for that.

VR I'll never be getting, not that it won't be as amazing as described. (Although I don't understand how with all that extra vision SA can be worse. You have to turn your heads ? You poor dears).

But these are far from the only reasons FC is much better than RoF, as I keep trying to tell the remaining RoF'ers.

Pilot phys, parachutes.. above all the bot fights.

Still they won't come. Some have, and have gone back.

 

I'm still hopefull ? , but realistically I don't expect to see more, where's the uptake coming from at this point ?

Even if all the remaining RoF'ers all moved over today, it wouldn't make much difference.

Obviously I don't know sales, but one can be presumptious from looking at the MP numbers.

I don't think we'll hear for a while at any rate, announcing the end of FC would pretty much kill off any future sales.

 

S!

 

 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Holding on to my money as well.  Not going to buy products I can't really justify, expense-wise, in the *hope* of future products that I will.  Build and support products for FC, and I'll buy those.  But asking me to buy Normandy "to support the devs" so they can do more FC content is not an expense I can justify any more.

 

Build it, and I'll open my wallet afterwards.

Edited December 11, 2019 by J28w-Broccoli

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

@B12 curves ,down elevator can be made "easy " by third party application. It works , I do not use it because I have long stick  and also they " fixed" elevator position in the last update.

Edited December 11, 2019 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[J2_Jakob]

2 minutes ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

But asking me to buy Normandy "to support the devs" so they can do more FC content is not an expense I can justify any more.

 

I did this with TC. Not going to do this with BoN again, while the bugs pile up and the only statement from the devs is that some of them "are being discussed on dev forums".

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

25 minutes ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

Holding on to my money as well.  Not going to buy products I can't really justify, expense-wise, in the *hope* of future products that I will.  Build and support products for FC, and I'll buy those.  But asking me to buy Normandy "to support the devs" so they can do more FC content is not an expense I can justify any more.

 

Build it, and I'll open my wallet afterwards.

 

I bought BON primarily for the channel map but having some remorse considering  the amount of time I use the WW2 content. I wish I had waited to pick up the other modules at 12 bucks given the current issues with FC.

[BMA_Hellbender]

2 hours ago, B12 said:

This was promised or semi promised, can even go back and find links if I have to

We've lost a lot since moving from ROF to FC.

I get it, its all about VR air quake for the regulars here and you like to use voice comms too .... I've seen it first hand, heard it too.

Just look at the topics here ... and they all support voice comms it seems on the various air quake servers.

Usual guys that know the servers, know the voice channels too, what sort of fun is that?

I know I'll get chased away again from here by the usual fan boy regulars ... but I would just like to say, upon departure ... I like WW1 aviation just as much if not more than you all too.

 

What's wrong with voice comms, are we not allowed to talk with each other, as all other gaming communities do?

 

I understand the whole "no comms for WWI" concept. Ironically, if you get involved (on comms) with people from the community, you will get invited to no comms events, or be able to organise one yourself. And you might make a few friends and frenemies in the process.

 

I can imagine that you like WWI aviation just as much as we do, and it would be a shame and a loss if you left.

 

 

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Lets face it Folks, 777 never really committed to this module in the way they committed to others, it was full price and has the least content of any them, it leans on third party guys to provide it and I think that's not the best way to go forward

 

Disagree with that statement, but I can see where it's coming from.

 

 

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Jason and or 777 need to step up to the plate soon and let us WW1 guys know what future plans are, FC vol 2 or not?

 

Agreed.

[BraveSirRobin]

2 hours ago, B12 said:

This was promised or semi promised, can even go back and find links if I have to
 

 

 

No, it wasn’t.

[B12]

Absolutely, why should FC Vol 1 and 2 be forever shrouded in mystery?

Jason, just let us know please, there is nothing worse than clinging on ... see all that other modules under my avatar ... I hardly play them, its for support.

I'm here for WW1

Thanks for support FC'rs ... i think basically we are all as frustrated as each other with not knowing?

I'm off to check out WOFF again ?

 

[Babayega]

I LOVE WW1 era flying. Yes, the first release is lacking in content. However, I do find it extremely enjoyable and I am sure more planes, larger maps, and maybe even an SP career will be coming. 

[BraveSirRobin]

13 minutes ago, B12 said:

Absolutely, why should FC Vol 1 and 2 be forever shrouded in mystery?
 

 

It’s not shrouded in mystery.  He said that he hoping to do more WW1 modules.  When they plan to do that I’m pretty sure it will be announced.

[40plus]

FC volume 1 was officially released, what, a month ago? I'll give it at least a year to see how well it does before I start complaining about a lack of a decision on volume 2.

 

That being said, hard no to plane specific input curve, which is apparently the topic of this thread.

Edited December 11, 2019 by pfrances

[B12]

Thats fair play prances, but the decision of FC Vol 1 and Vol 2 ETC strategy was made long before this, you can be sure, someone somewhere knows where the FC series is going by now ... or if its not, why hide that strategy from us, why keep us clinging on with hope?

Its borderline cruel ...  I read these forums every day looking for answers, see so many other simmers too with hopes dashed for the best WW1 Aviation sim ever, but its never really come to fruition ... and that's sad

Yes, thanks to Pat Wilson ... you are an absolute superstar sir, thank you, but 777 should not be relying on you to produce content for free, all we have is a VR quake sandbox and from what I've seen first hand, it really is just air quake with voice comms.

If 777 can't or won't tell us ... or just can not even trust us with hints the way Microsoft reborn can do with MS2020 can, well, that's their business I suppose, but honestly guys ... my passion was for a proper WW1 simulation, not this, its just the bare bones upgrade from ROF for the VR fly guys.

At least a year from now to see how FC does pfrances? are you really serious about that?

Please.

 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, B12 said:

On your Bike Robin.

This is a legitimate thread, not to be disrupted by trolls like you.

 

Well, BSR is absolutely right: customizable curves were never promised or "semi promised." It's that old trap that some people fall into repeatedly: they see the developer say they would like to implement feature X someday, and the player interprets that as a promise that can now never be reneged.

[BraveSirRobin]

10 minutes ago, B12 said:

Thats fair play prances, but the decision of FC Vol 1 and Vol 2 ETC strategy was made long before this, you can be sure, someone somewhere knows where the FC series is going by now ... or if its not, why hide that strategy from us, why keep us clinging on with hope?

 

 

That's a good question.  Why would they do that?  

[40plus]

25 minutes ago, B12 said:

 

At least a year from now to see how FC does pfrances? are you really serious about that?

Please.

 

 

Kinda, I mean, that's when I would start to get frustrated since I've got lots of other content to keep me distracted. . . . .

I agree with you that FC vol 1 is thin. The thinnest product and the least bang for our buck yet, but it is exactly what they advertised so we can't pretend we weren't warned. 

 

We also don't know the sales numbers. If they were stellar then the team could commit right away. If they were utter crap then the team could declare full stop right away. Maybe sales were just so-so and the team is sitting there going hmmmmm...maybe?

 

I'm willing to be patient but I gather I'm not as singularly passionate about WW1 as you are. . . . . never played RoF but am madly in love with flying  the old girls in FC.

Edited December 11, 2019 by pfrances

[No.23_Gaylion]

I don't. Your dr1 flies just like my dr1.

[RNAS10_Oliver]

2 hours ago, pfrances said:

That being said, hard no to plane specific input curve, which is apparently the topic of this thread.

 

The plane dependant curves combined with importing/exporting keybindings are something that I miss from Rise of Flight. Well not so much the curves themselves but being able to invert the axis dependant on the plane in use. They enabled me to change my controls setup to reflect the aircraft I am using with nothing more than a quick keybinding import and swapping the coloured knobs around on my two Saitek Throttle Quadrants.

 

So yeah I would love to see those come to Great Battles, which is apparently the topic of this thread.

Edited December 11, 2019 by Oliver88

[SharpeXB]

Although I’ll admit I liked the adjustable curves in RoF I really had made the aircraft handle rather unrealistically with my adjustments.  I didn't understand much about aircraft at all when I originally learned RoF. 

So in FC now I want to get a bit more realistic in how to handle them, pitch up tendency and all that. 

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

Get your self a MSFFB stick and you won't need curves.

[RNAS10_Oliver]

2 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Although I’ll admit I liked the adjustable curves in RoF I really had made the aircraft handle rather unrealistically with my adjustments.  I didn't understand much about aircraft at all when I originally learned RoF. 

So in FC now I want to get a bit more realistic in how to handle them, pitch up tendency and all that. 

 

Yeh I was never (and am still not) into making them handle easier or less realistic, and prefered to keep the pitch up tendancies and etc. But was a useful feature in order to ensure that in a aircraft where the virtual levers are increased/decreased in one direction that you are operating your physical levers in that same direction, and that when you hop into another aircraft where the levers do the opposite your physical levers also do the opposite. Gave you flexibility rather than having to choose a control setup and stick to that one setup no matter the aircraft.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Oliver88

[SharpeXB]

7 hours ago, Oliver88 said:

 

The plane dependant curves combined with importing/exporting keybindings are something that I miss from Rise of Flight. Well not so much the curves themselves but being able to invert the axis dependant on the plane in use. They enabled me to change my controls setup to reflect the aircraft I am using with nothing more than a quick keybinding import and swapping the coloured knobs around on my two Saitek Throttle Quadrants.

 

So yeah I would love to see those come to Great Battles, which is apparently the topic of this thread.

True, that type of menu can be really useful for any axis input and unrelated to flying. 

[Missionbug]

17 hours ago, B12 said:

Thats fair play prances, but the decision of FC Vol 1 and Vol 2 ETC strategy was made long before this, you can be sure, someone somewhere knows where the FC series is going by now ... or if its not, why hide that strategy from us, why keep us clinging on with hope?

Its borderline cruel ...  I read these forums every day looking for answers, see so many other simmers too with hopes dashed for the best WW1 Aviation sim ever, but its never really come to fruition ... and that's sad

Yes, thanks to Pat Wilson ... you are an absolute superstar sir, thank you, but 777 should not be relying on you to produce content for free, all we have is a VR quake sandbox and from what I've seen first hand, it really is just air quake with voice comms.

If 777 can't or won't tell us ... or just can not even trust us with hints the way Microsoft reborn can do with MS2020 can, well, that's their business I suppose, but honestly guys ... my passion was for a proper WW1 simulation, not this, its just the bare bones upgrade from ROF for the VR fly guys.

At least a year from now to see how FC does pfrances? are you really serious about that?

Please.

 

 

 

What we all need to appreciate with both F.C. and T.C. is that they are experimental and therefore what you have now might be all that is ever released, no more, no less.

 

Many have asked for R.O.F to be brought up to date, however, the development team said that was a no go for whatever reasons they have, technically or from a manpower standpoint so the F.C. trial was undertaken to see if it is/was possible to integrate WWI into the existing WWII series of modules.

 

WWII will be the bread winner going forward I think it fair to say as more of us are interested in that particular period of aviation history, however, I think the team hoped/hopes that enough of the existing users might want the variety that T.C. and F.C. add to the overall simulation and that would at least provide enough finance to at least make those self financing even if not actually profitable per se and so allow them to continue importing and updating those gorgeous models from R.O.F so you can enjoy them in all the glory of a more modern system.

 

The jury is still out on whether the project will continue or not, we can only be patient and await Jason's verdict on that and hope the outcome is positive enough to bring on F.C.2, maybe it will not come soon but hopefully it will see the light of day eventually.

 

Meanwhile, enjoy those ten lovely aircraft and the map and that awesome utility from Patrick.

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Missionbug

[Trooper117]

Curves... don't need em, just fly with what you have, it's still a pretty good experience.

As to an FC2?... Put it this way, they haven't stated there 'won't' be one have they. So no need for doom and gloom posts.

 

My gut feeling... they will do FC2, probably set in early 1917.

There is a large crowd/following in that regard and should sell well.

Then, be prepared for closing up the shop if 'both' versions have not come up to par...

 

Nothing like being optimistic is there  

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

23 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

There is a large crowd/following in that regard and should sell well.

 

Where?  Playing quick missions?

[Trooper117]

52 minutes ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

 

Where?  Playing quick missions?

 

Err, early 1917 for FC2?... we need the aircraft set and 2 seaters for that stage of the war?????

[Zooropa_Fly]

I think J28 means where is the large following.

 

Q : If the current active multiplayer community were the only ones to buy an FC2, how much of it do you think they'd actually fund ?

A pair of RE8 wings perhaps ?

[Hellshade_68]

It took 7 or 8 years for them to flesh out the plane set of RoF.   If it gets made at all, expect the same time frame for Flying Circus to get fleshed out too unless there's some wild resurgence of interest in WWI flight sims that drives current FC sales through the roof.    While that would be wonderful, I have somewhere close to zero expectations of that happening.  

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

3 minutes ago, Hellshade_68 said:

  While that would be wonderful, I have somewhere close to zero expectations of that happening.  

 

I consider that to be rather optimistic.