BMA_Hellbender Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, SeaW0lf said: Halberstadt CL.II I think... Large formation of CL.IIs flying at less than 100ft covering each other... ? Is that an actual picture or did you photoshop a screenshot to make it look like one of my forum posts? 1
BraveSirRobin Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 Most likely they took off about an hour ago and are still climbing up to altitude over the field. 1 8
SeaW0lf Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 5 hours ago, J5_Hellbender said: Large formation of CL.IIs flying at less than 100ft covering each other... ? Is that an actual picture or did you photoshop a screenshot to make it look like one of my forum posts? It is from a WWI Facebook group, so it is a true photo. From the looks of the last Halb, they are on a raid I think.
SeaW0lf Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) It is from the book "Halberstadt Cl.II at War". Edited October 30, 2019 by SeaW0lf 1
Zooropa_Fly Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, J5_Hellbender said: Well, as my mom Captain Darling always says: it's nothing to get your wings bent out of shape about. Dammit I always thought Cptn D was your Aunty. Anyway, I see what you did with the wing-bending thing there Genius !
No.23_Triggers Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, J5_Hellbender said: Ironic, coming from him...in our limited run-ins Effem's always struck me as a pseudo-intellectual, holier-than-thou type... Edited October 30, 2019 by US103_Larner 2
Cynic_Al Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, US103_Larner said: .in our limited run-ins Effem's always struck me as a pseudo-intellectual, holier-than-thou type... Just as I begin to harbour doubt of my compatibility with this community, I receive confirmation that I couldn't be a better fit. 1 1
BMA_Hellbender Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, Cynic_Al said: Just as I begin to harbour doubt of my compatibility with this community, I receive confirmation that I couldn't be a better fit. For what it's worth, we harbour no ill feelings towards you. It's you who's making a point of being an eternal contrarian. We need critical voices and people willing to question the decision the devs make. The moment you take out your frustrations with the sim (which we all have) on other players is when you cross a line and lose some of your credibility. Besides, I like to believe that you don't come here just to spread toxicity or call attention to yourself. I very clearly remember you putting server names up the top of the RoF list which called for reverting the FMs to pre-1.034. Not only did I get a good laugh about it, I've always agreed with that assesment, at least that the FM changes were done hastily and without much thought of the consequences. Reverting them for FC was a good decision, at least until some can be revised in the future. So let me tell you that which you probably like to hear the least (save for my name mentioned anywhere): you're one of the good guys, whether you like it or not. Now if you have a bone to pick with me personally because Darling shot you down too many times or something, you know where to find us. 2
No.23_Gaylion Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) I hate all of you equally. Edited October 30, 2019 by US103_Talbot Jk guuuuuuys :D 2 1 1
BraveSirRobin Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, J5_Hellbender said: at least until some can be revised in the future. That’s obviously not going to happen.
BMA_Hellbender Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: That’s obviously not going to happen. Relevant dev post:
BraveSirRobin Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, J5_Hellbender said: Relevant dev post: It’s a post that links to a post that may link to another post, but I stopped clicking links. So, no, not relevant. Here’s the thing. They had an original set of FMs. You bitched about them for years. They finally gave you what you wanted. That did not stop the bitching. They created a new game and returned to the original FMs. It is completely delusional to think that they’re going to revise the FMs yet again.
Zooropa_Fly Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 If only they'd made the different FM's time specific variants...
BMA_Hellbender Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: It’s a post that links to a post that may link to another post, but I stopped clicking links. So, no, not relevant. Here’s the thing. They had an original set of FMs. You bitched about them for years. They finally gave you what you wanted. That did not stop the bitching. They created a new game and returned to the original FMs. It is completely delusional to think that they’re going to revise the FMs yet again. A lot of feelings here (we can talk about them in private if you like), so let me state a few facts: If you click directly on "AnPetrovich replied to a topic" it will take you to the relevant post. I agree that the way this forum works with linking to individual posts within a topic is not ideal. Here is the hard link just in case:https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/41056-camel-195kmh-at-sea-level-pfalz-slowed-down-to-171kmh-done-in-3008/?tab=comments#comment-695231 Contrary to what you've been claiming for years, I am not in charge of FMs. I am absolutely in my right to question FMs within section 18 of the forum rules (I should add that this is a new section that didn't even exist on the RoF forum): My main gripe has always been the speed of the Sopwith Camel which is off by about 5-10km/h according to my Belgian sources (as collected by Walter Pieters et. al. in Above Flanders Fields and The Belgian Air Service in the First World War), who have the top speed of the Hanriot HD.1, Nieuport 23 and Sopwith Camel all at 180km/h — for which they used the Le Rhone 9J and Clerget 9B interchangeably. Yes, 5-10km/h is a big deal when your top speed is below 200km/h. The Camel's top speed in Flying Circus is currently 190km/h. The Camel's top speed in Rise of Flight is currently 167km/h. In the meantime we've established many times that the best way to tackle FM disparities with real life pilot reports is to accept that many planes were not flying with factory fresh engines, some not even with their intended engine. Having different engine variants, even sold to us as collector planes, would tackle many issues and give mission builders more options. But sure, keep blaming me for things that are outside my control. 1
BraveSirRobin Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, J5_Hellbender said: Contrary to what you've been claiming for years, I am not in charge of FMs. I’ve never actually claimed this. Or even implied it. Pointing out that you spent years bitching about the FMs is NOT in any way a claim that you are in charge of FMs.
HiIIBiIIy Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 What is this thread about? Is it about a picture of some CL II's or trashing Hellbender? 1
BMA_Hellbender Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: I’ve never actually claimed this. Or even implied it. Pointing out that you spent years bitching about the FMs is NOT in any way a claim that you are in charge of FMs. Man, I had no idea when I got up this morning that I was going to be put on trial. Again. Can the charges also be read again? (we have to go down the rabbit hole for this one) Regarding the 1.034 FM changes: https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/51175-rof-feedback-flying-circus/?p=687162 That was definitely a blunder, but not on the 777 side. It was an embarrassing reaction by the "community" to an improvement to the game. By the way, Hellbender was a key player in getting those changes implemented, just in case you were not aware of that. https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/51175-rof-feedback-flying-circus/?p=687198 Really?!? You were one of the most outspoken people on the forum. And, other than gavagai, you were one of the most critical of the flight models. You also sat back and watched as gavagai trashed this game and forum, which, given how outspoken you were, definitely implied that you agreed with everything he was whining about. A few years before the final FM revisions you posted a summary of the requested FM revisions which was followed almost to the letter when the revisions were made.So, yes, key player. Your honour, could we see that list of requested FM revisions? Well, actually we can't, as I seem to have lost the post with the forum software migration. However, since I do keep records of absolutely everything, I actually have a screenshot of the original post from the beta forum back in 2010 (it seemed important enough at the time), posted by a developer, which I was allowed to share as they were being implemented (or had already been implemented). And in case you're asking to see that written permission, dear members of the jury, it was also lost in the forum software migration. In any case, no longer being a beta tester since sometime before my first kid was born (2012), I'm going to say that the NDA no longer applies to me. For the record: many of these changes were being applied around that time, and some took until 2014 to happen. Most notable the Nieuport 28 tail liftoff bug, which I had admittingly been adamant about. I still don't see any mention of a 167km/h Camel or anything of the sort, but whatever. Facts are overrated. But I digress, I plead guilty to all charges: Being a key player (this forum would be extremely dull without me and my fan following) Sitting back and letting @gavagai do his thing (could you also post in this thread? that would make it complete) Being an ex-beta tester and posting something the devs had mentioned years prior, with the express permission to do so 2 minutes ago, HiIIBiIIy said: What is this thread about? Is it about a picture of some CL II's or trashing Hellbender? Yes. Thanks, by the way, SeaW0lf, this is all your fault for daring to mention my name. Nice pic, though. Talby, you're up next. We haven't forgotten about that chute shooting video. 3 1
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