Implementing Squadrons with INGAME- COMS

[Guest deleted@134347]

10 minutes ago, SAG said:

I'm also eager to see what Air-Marshall brings to the table, and perhaps the improved GUI layer could also help steer new players into the existing TS/Discord Channels.

 

 

i feel that air-marshall will bring out the disparity in communication even more and people without discord/TS simply won't fly on servers with AM enabled.

[SAG]

3 minutes ago, moosya said:

 

i feel that air-marshall will bring out the disparity in communication even more and people without discord/TS simply won't fly on servers with AM enabled.

 

Or maybe people will still use TS/Discord regardless, and the ones that don't will finally have a way of coordinating themselves; I think it's to early to tell.

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, SAG said:

I've personally tried for over 40 minutes to get new people in chat into a TS channel before giving up. But neither your anecdote, nor mine, proves either point.

 

The bottom line is that the developer has extremely limited resources.  They’re going to take advantage of 3rd party and community solutions in just about every situation that they can.  This is definitely one of those situations.

[SAG]

13 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

The bottom line is that the developer has extremely limited resources.  They’re going to take advantage of 3rd party and community solutions in just about every situation that they can.  This is definitely one of those situations.

 

what about a "soft" integration with Teamspeak or Discord?

[BraveSirRobin]

7 minutes ago, SAG said:

 

what about a "soft" integration with Teamspeak or Discord?

 

Lots of people are already using them.   Spending resources to get the last few who want comms but can’t figure out TS or Discord would be right near the bottom of my priority list.

[FTC_Kriechbaum]

2 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Lots of people are already using them.   Spending resources to get the last few who want comms but can’t figure out TS or Discord would be right near the bottom of my priority list.

 

How do you know how many people are "the last few"? How do you know how many people would join servers, would there be an easy option to have the support of a group?

 

Throuout the discussion your argument is like walking in the forrest and saying:

 

"There is no need to build rails here, because i cannot see any trains in this forrest. Walking works just fine for me!" ?

 

The random unorganized flying is way more unrealistic than a few noobs in your wing. Noobs existed in real air combat, too. But they didn't respawn after death with their knowledge gained from the last sortie. People learn, people adapt. They do so faster, when you promote the means to do so.

 

If the 3rd party option would work so well, you would see way bigger formations flying missions vs. random furballs with few people collecting a lot of kills, 3 people that actually attack ground targets and 30 people with no contribution to the objective of the map. That is how the reality of multiplayer looks like at the moment.

 

 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

2 hours ago, KB-Kriechbaum said:

 

If the 3rd party option would work so well, you would see way bigger formations flying missions vs. random furballs with few people collecting a lot of kills, 3 people that actually attack ground targets and 30 people with no contribution to the objective of the map. That is how the reality of multiplayer looks like at the moment.

 

 

We have access to comms now.  If people really want to use comms they can do it.  The reason they’re not doing it has absolutely nothing to do with access.  In fact, lots of people do use comms.   And lots of them lock those comms so no one else can join (that alone should give you a clue what the real problem is).  So there is plenty of access to comms.

 

The problem appears to be that the people not using comms DON’T WANT TO USE COMMS.  

 

BTW, an in game comms system won’t have any impact on organizing large attack formations.  You need a command system for that.  You also need people willing to do what they’re told to do.  That may include sitting around doing nothing while they wait for everyone else.  

 

A comms system is really only good for 2 things.

 

1.  Coordination of a small group of 2-6 aircraft.  Any more than that and it’s a chaotic mess.

2.  Exchanging recipes

[ATAG_SKUD]

It sounds like Air Marshall is going to be much more than comms. Hopefully, it will be a way to integrate strategy into a tactical game. Command and control over all resources including placement and movement on the fly while the battle rages.

 

[SAG]

6 hours ago, ATAG_SKUD said:

It sounds like Air Marshall is going to be much more than comms. Hopefully, it will be a way to integrate strategy into a tactical game. Command and control over all resources including placement and movement on the fly while the battle rages.

 

 

 

I also hope it brings another layer of gameplay to the sim, but we will have to wait and see.

 

When was it that Air-Marshal mode was going to be released? I forgot if it was with BoBp or at some other date.

[IRRE_Axurit]

They wanted to go out marshall mode before the BOBp release.
They may be a little late, but it does not matter, the important thing is that it is well done.

[SAG]

7 hours ago, -IRRE-Axurit said:

They wanted to go out marshall mode before the BOBp release.
They may be a little late, but it does not matter, the important thing is that it is well done.

 

 

 ohh I agree. I was just being curious. thanks for the info! 

[Pict]

The original IL2 Forgotten Battles...'46 or whatever had a rudimentary in built voip (with immersive crackling iirc) I don't think it was used much, may well have been?

 

I tried it out with some squad mates and used it a fair bit after that. I never saw a problem with it, even found it quite cool.

 

Edited October 20, 2019 by Pict
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[Tapi]

Well, I mostly fly alone at MP. So yesterday I tried to join someone on discord of CombatBox server. Sadly all the time the channel was nearly empty (one pair of allied pilots flying together was an exception). I positioned myself to the channel named "Looking for Wingman". But no one joined me... I tried to ask in a game chat for wingman on discord  but no one replied... I should notice that the server was nearly full (cca 60 players).

 

BTW: how do you guys manage your discord channels while in the game (switching between them or even between servers)? I play on full screen and so I cannot ALT + TAB between apps becasue if I do, I lost G-SYNC and I have awfull tearing then...

Edited October 21, 2019 by Tapi

[SAG]

2 minutes ago, Tapi said:

Well, I mostly fly alone at MP. So yesterday I tried to join someone on discrod of RedBox server. Sadly all the time the channel was nearly empty (one pair of allied pilots flying together was an exception). I positioned myself to the channel named "Looking for Wingman". Bat no one joined me... I tried to ask in chat for wingman on dioscord  but no one replied... I should notice that the server was nearly full (cca 60 players).

 

BTW: how do you guys manage your discord channels while in the game (switching between them or even between servers)? I play on full screen and so I cannot ALT + TAB between apps becasue if I do, I lost G-SYNC and I have awfull tearing then...

 

 

What I usually do is search on different channels both on discord and Teamspeak. If they're empty, as they are most of the time, I just stay on the official teamspeak channel, MP server 1 allies, and wait for someone to join me. 

 

Al-tabbing is bad in full screen mode IIRC maybe try full-screen windowed mode?

[Tapi]

OK, I have not tried Teamspeak. I will do next time. THX

 

Not sure (I will try) but i think the full-screen windowed mode do not support G-SYNC. I think only full screen support G-SYNC...

[Guest deleted@83466]

50 minutes ago, Tapi said:

OK, I have not tried Teamspeak. I will do next time. THX

 

Not sure (I will try) but i think the full-screen windowed mode do not support G-SYNC. I think only full screen support G-SYNC...

 

In your Nvidia driver, under the G-Sync tab there is a checkbox that commands support for both full and windowed.  

[Tapi]

THX for tip. I will try.

 

Note:  I have just also found out that Discord has an overlay option. That may be usefull too.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Tapi

[SAG]

11 hours ago, Tapi said:

THX for tip. I will try.

 

Note:  I have just also found out that Discord has an overlay option. That may be usefull too.

 

 

Teamspeak also has an overlay option, it's called Overwolf I think (non of them work in Vr though)

[ACG_Macro]

Anyone welcome to join us on ts if you see us on the servers.  Google 71st aces high for details.  Immature noise makers will be banned without warning.  Thats our only condition really (dont be a dick).

 

Has anyone played "Hell let loose"  ?  They have in game comms.  It makes the game what it is.  Commander talks to all squad leaders. squad leaders talk to their squad, other squad leaders and commander, squad members only talk to their squad and squad leader.  It works really well with 50 players on each side.  Would love to see that in il2.

 

 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

4 hours ago, 71st_AH_Macro said:

 

Has anyone played "Hell let loose"  ?  They have in game comms.  It makes the game what it is.  Commander talks to all squad leaders. squad leaders talk to their squad, other squad leaders and commander, squad members only talk to their squad and squad leader.  It works really well with 50 players on each side.  Would love to see that in il2.

 

 

 

That's how EveVoice worked.  It was helpful for anyone who actually bothered to set up their squad channels.  Especially when working with newer players.  Sadly most people still chose teamspeak or mmumble, which led to every voice channel being a, relatively speaking, disorganized mess.

Edited October 23, 2019 by hrafnkolbrandr

[TheWarsimmer]

On 10/15/2019 at 2:32 PM, RedKestrel said:

Honest question. Are there a lot of people out there who want to use voice chat that currently don't because its not in-game?

 

I don't know how many, but I certainly would. I use VR, and the hassle to set up teamspeak and discord every time or whatever is too much. I'm also lazy and don't use the software and don't really want to take the time to do it.

[ACG_Macro]

Warsimmer, only need to set up ts once.  Save the server name/ip in favourites then all you have to do is connect through desktop and minimize it.  Then play games as usual.  Takes 5 seconds to start ts and join server before starting your game.  

[Tapi]

On 10/21/2019 at 8:39 AM, SeaSerpent said:

 

In your Nvidia driver, under the G-Sync tab there is a checkbox that commands support for both full and windowed.  

In game I tried to uncheck Full screen checkbox and left resolution to native LCD resolution. Hope this is the right way how use borderless window. Then in the nVidia control panel - G-sync settings I checked both checkboxes (for full screen as well as for Windows). But unfortunately it does not work: I have noticeable tearing now in the game.  Do I missed something?

 

As for the discord overlay - it doesn't work for me neither in full screen not in borderless window. ?

1 hour ago, 71st_AH_Macro said:

Warsimmer, only need to set up ts once.  Save the server name/ip in favourites then all you have to do is connect through desktop and minimize it.  Then play games as usual.  Takes 5 seconds to start ts and join server before starting your game.  

Well I can speak only for myself, but I usually choose MP server in game according to its actual population. So I do not know the TS before I start the game.

[JG1_Butzzell]

S!

The problem is not coms. 

 

Most squads have coms set up. They fly as a squad and use coms.

 

Maybe you should join a squad? Get to know others? See how teamwork actually works?

[Tapi]

I have not much time to fly regularly so unfortunately I am not able to be a member of some squad... I am an example of casual MP player who would like to with someone but not regularly.

[ACG_Macro]

tapi. take your headset off (or alt-tab out of game if not using vr), start ts and join server, then put headset back on (or alt tab back into game). 

[Tapi]

4 minutes ago, 71st_AH_Macro said:

tapi. take your headset off (or alt-tab out of game if not using vr), start ts and join server, then put headset back on (or alt tab back into game). 

If I do ALT + TAB and then again to return to the game, G-sync stop working I have tearing until restart the game.( For MP I use TrackIR not VR)

Edited October 23, 2019 by Tapi

[Guest deleted@83466]

5 hours ago, Tapi said:

In game I tried to uncheck Full screen checkbox and left resolution to native LCD resolution. Hope this is the right way how use borderless window. Then in the nVidia control panel - G-sync settings I checked both checkboxes (for full screen as well as for Windows). But unfortunately it does not work: I have noticeable tearing now in the game.  Do I missed something?

 

 

I would make sure that in the Nvidia Control Panel--> Manage 3D Settings -->Program-->Settings that the IL-2 .exe (note: not the Launcher, but the .exe) is specifically set to G-Sync or Use Global Settings(G-Sync) under 'Monitor Technology'.  Also make sure that 'Vertical Sync' is set to 'Use 3D Application Setting' and finally, that in the IL-2 settings V-Sync is OFF.  If it still doesn't work, all I can recommend is that you double check that everything is set in case you forgot to hit Apply or something like that.  This -should- be working if you have done all of the above.

Edited October 23, 2019 by SeaSerpent

[Tapi]

@seaserpent Thanks! I tried it yesterday and it seems to work. Strangely, I checked all recommended sestting and all was set correctly. The only thing I changed was Low lantecy from Ultra do default. Tried again in QMB, use ALT + TAB with discord open and it was OK. On CombatBox though not so smooth experience but no tearing (I guess at MP it reflect another problem currently in discussion...).

 

Edited October 25, 2019 by Tapi