Axis late war fighters

[Guest deleted@117422]

5 hours ago, Talon_ said:

 

The Spitfire is only just behind on +18lbs, and on the hot sauce just occupies another dimension in space and time compared to everyone else:

 

 

 

Curious to see where the Dora and P-38 stack up on this chart.

[DSR_A-24]

2 hours ago, VON said:

 

Curious to see where the Dora and P-38 stack up on this chart.

A base rate of climb of 20m/s with the potential of 150 octane. The P-38 already starts to out climb P-51 at 3000m. 

The person who made this chart probably doesn't have the collector planes.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

7 hours ago, VO101Kurfurst said:

The Merlin 66 could maintain +18 lbs at to about 20-22k feet in fast flight; depending on the particular test plane (FTH varies between individual planes); and to somewhat lower altitudes when in climb (16k iirc) since the airspeed is low and the supercharger is not aided by air pressure from moving through the air fast.

 

However, +25 be maintained to considerably lower pressures only (obviously +18 was maintained to the same altitude as before). It’s obvious because the supercharger was already running at maximum capacity to give +18 lbs pressure; it cannot just conjure out an additional +7 from nowhere, unless the altitude is lowered enough that the supercharger still has that surplus, that would be otherwise throttled down to +18.

 

The FTH is simply far lower for +25 than it is for +18.

 

The real life data clearly indicates that the Merlin 66 in climb conditions could not maintain +25 lbs for more than about 500 (!) feet altitude in MS gear, and about 11500 or so feet in FS (full supercharger speed). It simply cannot give +25 anywhere above that, so boost and power and therefore climb levels begin to decrease if you go higher. 

 

The observed issue on the in-game test graph is that it does not seem to work like this. At around 3-3500 meters, the boost should start to decrease and so should climb rate, because power is decreasing. In contrast it seems FS gear just kicks in the game and power and climb is even increasing, all the way up to 6000.

In game the critical altitude of +25 boost in FS gear is around 11500 feet in a slow speed climb, and then it starts going down hitting +18 boost at 17000 feet.

If you take a closer look to the data points rather than Excel's fill up line, it does show a downward tendency to reducing climb rate from this altitude. We don't have the point of 11500 feet (3500 meters) since it's in between measurement points. The point we see at 4000 meters corresponds to around +23lb boost.





 

Edited October 5, 2019 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

On 10/3/2019 at 6:54 AM, ShadowStalker887 said:

I'll start this off by saying how pleased I am with the latest group of Allied fighters; they are authentic, very powerful and fun to fly. However they have also noticably swung the balance of power in the Allies favour which left me wondering; are there any other axis planes that can keep up with these allied aircraft or are the Kurfurst and Dora there best performing opponents?

They all should and can keep up with the new allied planes.... The real question is, why the heck are the luftwaffe pilots flying their birds so damn low on Combat box and Knights of the air servers? Each time i get on, everyone's on the floor... What happened to altitude advantage, they are energy fighters. I've seen only 4 aircraft on 4 seperate occasions that were above 4k. Get high folks, attack at the right moments, extend at the right moments, and for the love of peace, quit trying to turn with the p38 and tempest!

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

29 minutes ago, -332FG-Hank_DG said:

They all should and can keep up with the new allied planes.... The real question is, why the heck are the luftwaffe pilots flying their birds so damn low on Combat box and Knights of the air servers? Each time i get on, everyone's on the floor... What happened to altitude advantage, they are energy fighters. I've seen only 4 aircraft on 4 seperate occasions that were above 4k. Get high folks, attack at the right moments, extend at the right moments, and for the love of peace, quit trying to turn with the p38 and tempest!

 

Well I don't know about those servers, but as long as 90% of ground attackers  and bombers are flying at treetop level, that's where the majority of fights are going to happen.  Rarely do I even encounter a level bomber at greater than 3000m (usually more like 2000m).

 

This has been the case with this game since it began.  There is simply very little reason to fly high, and those who do contribute almost nothing to the outcome of the match.

Edited October 5, 2019 by hrafnkolbrandr

[FTC_Riksen]

7 minutes ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

 

Well I don't know about those servers, but as long as 90% of ground attackers  and bombers are flying at treetop level, that's where the majority of fights are going to happen.  Rarely do I even encounter a level bomber at greater than 3000m (usually more like 2000m).

 

This has been the case with this game since it began.  There is simply very little reason to fly high, and those who do contribute almost nothing to the outcome of the match.

 

Thats because the server you do know is probably just Wings of Liberty.

35 minutes ago, -332FG-Hank_DG said:

They all should and can keep up with the new allied planes.... The real question is, why the heck are the luftwaffe pilots flying their birds so damn low on Combat box and Knights of the air servers? Each time i get on, everyone's on the floor... What happened to altitude advantage, they are energy fighters. I've seen only 4 aircraft on 4 seperate occasions that were above 4k. Get high folks, attack at the right moments, extend at the right moments, and for the love of peace, quit trying to turn with the p38 and tempest!

 

That is probably due to the inflow of players from WoL into the server. Since Wings has not yet a great amount of late BoBp scenarios, some of their player base is migrating to kota and cb for some action with late fighters.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

33 minutes ago, SCG_Riksen said:

 

Thats because the server you do know is probably just Wings of Liberty.

 

Yeah it's shame all the rest of them are basically empty in my time zone.

 

But doesn't change the reality of the game.  Unless you're in a level bomber, if you're playing objectives, you're ending up below 2k.

 

Hopefully mission designers will make some good use of those (for the moment) AI B-25s.

Edited October 6, 2019 by hrafnkolbrandr

[CUJO_1970]

Haven't flown online yet...just testing offline I don't see any real big disadvantages for the Luftwaffe, irregardless of boost or fuel used by the Allies. (Primarily speaking about props - the 262 of course remains in a league of it's own.) Pilot skill/tactics will be the primary determining factor, assuming numerical parity.

 

One thing I'm grateful for now is the elimination of the flap cheat/exploit and constant yank and banking of a certain aircraft that so cheapened the sim, and online experience. You can have all the 150 grade fuel you want, your days of game exploiting are finished.

[KatieLuna]

On 10/3/2019 at 5:37 PM, =KG76=flyus747 said:

That's because of that thingy they have called the Pe2. Legendary in speed, agility, armor, defenses. The Blues? A huge slow 111 that's got laughable defense and the 88 which is just as weak, but faster. You can see why reds love their bombers.

I'd like to point out that the BF110 is an absolute delight to fly, and has better offensive armament once you've ditched those pesky bombs

[Mac_Messer]

1 hour ago, TheTacticalCat said:

I'd like to point out that the BF110 is an absolute delight to fly, and has better offensive armament once you've ditched those pesky bombs

Yes, in mid war things are dramatic for LW although to be fair, in late war scenarios having the FW190A8 should put things at parity.

[Sublime]

23 hours ago, VON said:

 

Curious to see where the Dora and P-38 stack up on this chart.

Me too. Except Im teerible at maf and fisics and charts.  Yes I am that dunb I can make some sense of thus chart but righr when I think I got it nope.

You can very very much tell my brain isnt a math one.. Its more a literary one.

Unfortunately for me fligh5 sims and combat aircraft live in math and physics world and Im just in it.

Seriously Ive had well meaning peiple link me articles about rather mundane simple aerodynamic stuff. Id thank them and lie and say how insightful it was. (After tthe 4th word I gave up) ?

Ud also add I Fly Central loces the A8 and even made a video recently about how its still relevant and capable against the Allies.

To which I feel of course it is. And once the newness wears off youll see the planes flown less religiously. Like the 262 and other new releases.

Thats one thing I like about the game. It has many faukts they all do but every combst veteran told me it mattered much more about the pilot over the plane. And its true in this game! I know a stubborn bastid who just loves tge I16.  He flies it no matger what. And what a beating he was taking months ago. I forgwt all about him.am online a few days ago full power heading into a furball and from a distance I watch thus little red I16 shoot down a 109, 190, dodge anothe r109, and running away shot me in the face on his way out! (Yes you plank)

So S!

[Hawkins_]

2 hours ago, Sublime said:

Me too. Except Im teerible at maf and fisics and charts.  Yes I am that dunb I can make some sense of thus chart but righr when I think I got it nope.

You can very very much tell my brain isnt a math one.. Its more a literary one.

Unfortunately for me fligh5 sims and combat aircraft live in math and physics world and Im just in it.

Seriously Ive had well meaning peiple link me articles about rather mundane simple aerodynamic stuff. Id thank them and lie and say how insightful it was. (After tthe 4th word I gave up) ?

Ud also add I Fly Central loces the A8 and even made a video recently about how its still relevant and capable against the Allies.

To which I feel of course it is. And once the newness wears off youll see the planes flown less religiously. Like the 262 and other new releases.

Thats one thing I like about the game. It has many faukts they all do but every combst veteran told me it mattered much more about the pilot over the plane. And its true in this game! I know a stubborn bastid who just loves tge I16.  He flies it no matger what. And what a beating he was taking months ago. I forgwt all about him.am online a few days ago full power heading into a furball and from a distance I watch thus little red I16 shoot down a 109, 190, dodge anothe r109, and running away shot me in the face on his way out! (Yes you plank)

So S!

Are you intoxicated?

 

Do you require medical attention? 

 

[CUJO_1970]

He’s just from Boston.

[Krisu]

2 hours ago, Sublime said:

Me too. Except Im teerible at maf and fisics and charts.  Yes I am that dunb I can make some sense of thus chart but righr when I think I got it nope.

You can very very much tell my brain isnt a math one.. Its more a literary one.

Unfortunately for me fligh5 sims and combat aircraft live in math and physics world and Im just in it.

Seriously Ive had well meaning peiple link me articles about rather mundane simple aerodynamic stuff. Id thank them and lie and say how insightful it was. (After tthe 4th word I gave up) ?

Ud also add I Fly Central loces the A8 and even made a video recently about how its still relevant and capable against the Allies.

To which I feel of course it is. And once the newness wears off youll see the planes flown less religiously. Like the 262 and other new releases.

Thats one thing I like about the game. It has many faukts they all do but every combst veteran told me it mattered much more about the pilot over the plane. And its true in this game! I know a stubborn bastid who just loves tge I16.  He flies it no matger what. And what a beating he was taking months ago. I forgwt all about him.am online a few days ago full power heading into a furball and from a distance I watch thus little red I16 shoot down a 109, 190, dodge anothe r109, and running away shot me in the face on his way out! (Yes you plank)

So S!

 

Hey hey there buddy...you remind me of someone 

[mazex]

Well, in the defense of LW pilot's that are now switching to allied there is another factor as well...

 

Growing up in western Europe in the 70:ies, all movies, books, magazines about fighter pilots during WW2 was about UK/US vs Germany (or Japan). I can't recall one movie or book that was about the Eastern front... 

 

I was building 1/72 model planes and recalling the models I built as a 9-13 year old kid, this is the list:

 

Spitfire mk 1 and V

Hurricane Mk 1 and IIB

Gladiator 

P51 C and D

P47 (razorback) 

P40

P38

F4

F4U

Tempest mk V

Typhoon

Blenheim

Sunderland

Catalina

Walrus

A-20

B-17

B-24

B-25

B-29

Lancaster 

Halifax

Stirling 

Mosquito 

Swordfish

Lysander 

BF 109 E

Me 109 G6

Me 110

Me 163

Me 262

FW 190 A3 and A8

FW 190 D9

Dornier 17

Heinkel 111

Ju 88

Fw 189

AR 234

Fiat G50

A6M Zero

D3A Val

GM4 Betty 

 

Amazing that I remember them all... Shot all to pieces with an air rifle as a 15-16 year old, accept the 1:48 Spitfire mk V that I was most content with, that I still have in my "gaming den / home office". 

 

See a pattern? 45 aircraft and not one VVS? Western front Europe with a pinch of PTO? In IL2 all my old German plastic models where included that I built as a 12 year old. Now the Allies (in my 13 year old universe) are coming so Biggles finally gets his ride. And I guess I am not alone in western Europe to know more about the UK/US and German planes that Biggles and the other heroes flew or fought against... 

 

I guess it's the other way around in Russia. And yes, as a grown up I know that 80% of the German divisions fought in Russia and not on the western front, so that's really where most of the war in Europe was fought... That etched "plane list" is still there obviously, even though I have learned a lot about VVS planes later. 

 

The only survivor of the "original plane list" in my head, built as a 13,5 year old 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2019 by mazex

[Danziger]

We need a Do335.

[EAF19_Marsh]

45 minutes ago, mazex said:

The only survivor of the "original plane list" in my head, built as a 13,5 year old 

 

Nice job! Don’t think that mine looked anywhere near that good ?

[Motherbrain]

Well thank goodness Il-2GB is mostly a SP game where "balance" isn't an issue... ?

[mazex]

16 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

Nice job! Don’t think that mine looked anywhere near that good ?

 

Thanks  You should have seen the first - that was a 1/72 Spitfire Mk 1  

 

And that also says something about the way my perception as a 9 year old regarding WW2 in the air was, and what the local toy store presented on the front row of the plastic model section:

 

First plane: Spitfire Mk 1

Second: Bf 109 E

Third: Hurricane Mk 1

Fourth: Do 17

etc...

 

And my final build when I realized that I was getting to old for plastic models was that Spit Mk V in 1:48 - as a "closing statement"... Or not to old, but rather the girls thought it was geeky and I was to insecure to stand my ground.

Edited October 6, 2019 by mazex

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

52 minutes ago, Danziger said:

We need a Do335.

Meme aircraft can be added in a expansion down the line when the lifecycle of the product is ending just like with IL2:1946 with the fantasy planes like Lerche and 262 HGIII. This time though the devs can do it right and add late-war/just post-war superprops instead of paper planes.

Edited October 6, 2019 by =362nd_FS=RoflSeal

[Sublime]

7 hours ago, Hawkins_ said:

Are you intoxicated?

 

Do you require medical attention? 

 

Cujo summed it up.  Lookit its hard to type on a subway dont be a d*ck

6 hours ago, Krisu said:

 

Hey hey there buddy...you remind me of someone 

Oh?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

5 hours ago, =362nd_FS=RoflSeal said:

Meme aircraft can be added in a expansion down the line when the lifecycle of the product is ending just like with IL2:1946 with the fantasy planes like Lerche and 262 HGIII. This time though the devs can do it right and add late-war/just post-war superprops instead of paper planes.

 

There's still some early war planes that might be able to be made too.  I guess it depends on if there are any surviving examples and adequate data available to work with. 

[RAY-EU]

Donier Do 335 Pfeil Steel Arrow  , Fw 190 A9 , Me 163 komet , Arado Ar 234 & Heinkel He 162 A2 Volksjäger  : 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by RAY-EU

[CIA_Yankee_]

On 10/5/2019 at 3:18 PM, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

In game the critical altitude of +25 boost in FS gear is around 11500 feet in a slow speed climb, and then it starts going down hitting +18 boost at 17000 feet.

If you take a closer look to the data points rather than Excel's fill up line, it does show a downward tendency to reducing climb rate from this altitude. We don't have the point of 11500 feet (3500 meters) since it's in between measurement points. The point we see at 4000 meters corresponds to around +23lb boost.





 

 

Thank you, SE. Always good to have a good grasp of statistics and how people can Have Fun With Charts. Those automatic lines can hide so much details.

[gimpy117]

On 10/3/2019 at 10:47 AM, hrafnkolbrandr said:

You guys act like the russian aircraft never had any advantages and aren't winning 2 out of 3 of every map.

 

Whatever gives you your feels I guess.

you mean because Russian players actually hop into bombers rather than just circling airfields looking to vulch? when A German team with their JU-88's and 111's with twice the bomb-load of a pe-2 and Il2 decide to actually use their ground attack they tend to win. 

 

Pilot Physiology and new allied planes are the counter to the 109 impunity i've been waiting for. I'm sure a lot of guys are really salty they can't do crazy elevator trim axis assisted 9G pulls to get away/get gun on target in a plane that out performs everything and has generous emergency/combat power timers anymore. 

 

but here's the rub: were gonna see allied team stacks now. they guys who ONLY flew 109's to rack up kills, no matter how unfair the teams were are gonna be hopping in late war allied planes in droves (unless the 262 is available). and all the talk about how they only flew German because they "don't like russian" can finally be proven to be what everyone thought: because Russian planes are at a disadvantage. 

Edited October 9, 2019 by gimpy117

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

44 minutes ago, gimpy117 said:

you mean because Russian players actually hop into bombers rather than just circling airfields looking to vulch? when A German team with their JU-88's and 111's with twice the bomb-load of a pe-2 and Il2 decide to actually use their ground attack they tend to win. 

 

Lots of axis players do ground attack.  Unfortunately for them, you can shred a 111 with the .50s on the P40 (my favorite ride for killing 111s).  The 110 isn't much better, made of basically the same glass as the 109.  On top of that, their gunners are largely useless, for a variety of reasons.  You can blast away at german bombers with no fear of getting headshot.

 

The 88 I've seen more rarely, but holds up and performs a little better.

 

But you should know this; you're just pretending that you don't.  You're either one of those people who can't see past the first couple lines of the specs sheet, or one of those who needs to buoy their ego with delusions of oppression.  It's unbelievably childish how some are pretending that the introduction of the allied craft is some sort of comeuppance against the evil axis flyers; who I should add, have given you targets to shoot at and added to your fun for several years.

 

I will agree with you that the airfield vultures are bundles of sticks; it's even worse when there is only a handful of people on to try and do anything about them.

 

Either way, here's your violin...

Edited October 9, 2019 by hrafnkolbrandr

[Majakowski]

@hrafnkolbrandr

 

Well, the bomb load argument is pretty valid. The argument of inept gunners on planes except the Pe-2 maybe valid as well. But then it again comes to measuring the situation itself when played.

 

German bombers can perform at much higher altitudes with much higher bomb loads and that makes a difference if the entire target is to be destroyed on a single run. If you try to catch that Ju-88 or He-111 in an altitude of 7km there again are the German fighters (again performing better than the Russians at altitude) that bounce upon you in no time while you keep struggling not to stall while climbing all the way up (might be a little exaggerated but an interceptor can't afford patience for climbing time as a bomber). So there again is a technological advantage over Russian planes that has nothing to do with how anyone plays it. They are just better suited for certain forms of operations, in this case performance at higher altitudes. A thing one can't just disregard.

 

Of course one can deny the technological facts but they don't go away and most Axis ground attackers I see are alternating the sides, on this day they are flying Peshka and tomorrow you see them in a 110 so that problem might have more to do with the role identification or preference of the player rather than the side he stands on. But I may err as this is only what I have observed. And in the groundhugging furballs you see over objectives everyone is equal. At least every ground attacker is equally vulnerable.

 

Also the Allied planes (regarding bombers) are in no way not made out of "glass". Yesterday I flew an A 20 and was immediately shot dead by a Fw190D. I didn't even hear a single bullet impact. And I wouldn't have fared better in a Pe-2 as it too is now pretty obsolete with the greater variety (read: ubiquity) of ultra high performance planes. A few days earlier I was in my "invincible" Peshka shot by a 109 and immediately was on fire and bailed. Only for the 109 to turn back and shoot my parachute too. So not really a great difference in durability between the bombers.

[Lusekofte]

I like the fact that LW gravity is less. I now can fly the JU 88 in mp without feeling I add to the imbalance.  I am very bad at taking off in it due to not fly axis side before. 

I dont mind at all. 

I hope for servers with people more objectiv oriented. I dont mind getting shot down in a bomber but without protection you simply is too easy prey with the new hotrods. In special with the hidious alternative spotting

Edited October 9, 2019 by LuseKofte

[CIA_Yankee_]

 

8 hours ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

 

Lots of axis players do ground attack.  Unfortunately for them, you can shred a 111 with the .50s on the P40 (my favorite ride for killing 111s).  The 110 isn't much better, made of basically the same glass as the 109.  On top of that, their gunners are largely useless, for a variety of reasons.  You can blast away at german bombers with no fear of getting headshot.

 

I can assure you, this is false. Come in at a LW from any kind of long 6 position, and you will not come out of there in any good shape. I've been pilot sniped many times, and lots my engines countless times. And the Ju87 is a tank with a nasty, nasty turret. And there's plenty of times I got pegged and had to break off even when doing sweeping passes at bombers. Turrets and their gunners are very effective, for all factions, especially when they start slinging .50s.

 

Additionally, I'm not sure what your point is when you state "you can shred a 111 with the .50s" as if that was a sign of weakness. Of course you can, they're .50s! And there's six of them! That will shred anything. Sure, 1 or 2 of them aren't that great (but enough to take out fighters), but stack enough of them on each wing and it's just about the best firepower on the soviet side short of the LaGG's 23mm, or the P-39's 37mm. Let's not pretend this is evidence for the weakness of LW bombers. It's evidence that .50s are bloody good weapons, nothing more.

 

Now, in general I'd say that the field is more equal when it comes to bombers and attack aircraft, and in some places the soviets may even have an edge. But the LW certainly has some strong contenders in the bombing department, as has already been stated. The biggest bomb loads and good high altitude performance are advantages not to be scoffed at. And before the P-38, the 110 (especially the G-2) was unique in the entire lineup: an actually effective attack fighter.

 

 

[gimpy117]

I am under the belief that the really ANY bomber you get jumped by fighters with you are pretty much a dead man. it's just German bombers have a bigger payload.

the pe-2 gunner is very good yes, but the 110 gunner is great too, and if you go apples to oranges PE-2 vs. 110 the 110 wins any time.

 

get rid of the stupid glass nose full it with cannons and maybe the pe-2 and 110 would be on par. that being said, the 110 is a smaller air-frame by a little bit, so that may account for not being as sturdy as a pe-2...but glass it is not. it can take a lot of punishment before it breaks. It's not a bomber though it's a fighter-bomber and that IMO makes up for any shortcomings over a true bomber that may be perceived. 

 

and yes, many Germans to fly bombers, but i personally feel that the ratio of fighters to bombers is usually higher with the german only players 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

2 hours ago, gimpy117 said:

and yes, many Germans to fly bombers, but i personally feel that the ratio of fighters to bombers is usually higher with the german only players 

 

They are, but let's be honest like half of those guys aren't really contributing to their team, so should they really count? 

[Venturi]

I think the aircraft performance dynamic has shaped up to fit nicely with the actual history over the course of the IL2 BOS series. Now the western allies aka “Red” side, have at least parity and probably even a significant advantage, especially with the P38, Spit, and P51 when at altitude.

 

Like most things in life, many people are not about fair play or principles, but rather taking as much advantage as they can get, especially in an online match. That means that you should expect the same folks who flew exclusively Blue in the early and mid war, to now fly exclusively Red in late war. Just like when a sports team starts to win in a season. “Nothing succeeds like success.” And that’s fine.

 

You will find, I think, that those who fly ground attacker missions of whatever type tend to be more mission focused and more about server balance, so will also tend to move to the side with fewer players, for the most part. I personally have been flying Blue pretty exclusively in the late war setting.

 

My opinion, a good reason to keep the Me262 regularly available (in a limited way) in online matches, is that it will bring a measure of parity and uniqueness to the late war Blue side. Especially with Jabo runs. Imagine that! Keep in mind that the ACM flying style it requires will be distasteful to those pilots who want to “turn and burn”.

[cardboard_killer]

It seems to me from the WAllies viewpoint, medium and heavy bombers were rather difficult to shoot down. Indeed, just my feeling has always been that it is too easy to shoot anything down in most flight sims, probably because flight sim pilots press attacks way farther than a real pilot would. I think in Gallard's memoirs he tells the story of flying a 262 with a wingman, seeing a big group of bombers and fighters, knowing "I could make a run and shoot down two or three, but would certainly be shot down" and so refused combat. We fools rush in.

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, cardboard_killer said:

It seems to me from the WAllies viewpoint, medium and heavy bombers were rather difficult to shoot down. Indeed, just my feeling has always been that it is too easy to shoot anything down in most flight sims, probably because flight sim pilots press attacks way farther than a real pilot would. 

 

At some point the Germans realized the disparity between victories in the east and west and single engine vs 4 engine planes in terms of criteria for medals.  They started a point system where the highest number of points was being credited with carving a heavy bomber out of the formation.  Actually finishing the bomber would get you the victory credit, but that was worth fewer points than separating it from the herd.

[Diggun]

On 10/9/2019 at 6:33 AM, hrafnkolbrandr said:

You can blast away at german bombers with no fear of getting headshot.

Errm... Not in my experience. 

[Aap]

45 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

They started a point system where the highest number of points was being credited with carving a heavy bomber out of the formation.  Actually finishing the bomber would get you the victory credit, but that was worth fewer points than separating it from the herd.

 

To be more specific, highest number of points was being credited, when flat-out downing a bomber in formation (3 points for 4-engine, 2 points for 2-engine), but indeed separating a bomber from formation was worth more points (2 and 1) than finishing off a lone separated bomber (1 and half).

 

Edited October 10, 2019 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Mac_Messer]

4 hours ago, cardboard_killer said:

It seems to me from the WAllies viewpoint, medium and heavy bombers were rather difficult to shoot down. Indeed, just my feeling has always been that it is too easy to shoot anything down in most flight sims, probably because flight sim pilots press attacks way farther than a real pilot would. I think in Gallard's memoirs he tells the story of flying a 262 with a wingman, seeing a big group of bombers and fighters, knowing "I could make a run and shoot down two or three, but would certainly be shot down" and so refused combat. We fools rush in.

Still, the game does a good job at recreating this, in its own way.  The gunner AI has trouble with following fast objects, especially in vertical maneuvers. But if you get into 200m range and closer, being shot down is the way it ends most of the time.  Same if you fly straight and leveled. And the closer youget, the more you risk getting killed right then and there. Which is why firing at bombers from safe distance,while not the most fruitful way, does produce ingame results and with relative low risk.

[Post_Maloney]

On 10/6/2019 at 1:02 AM, -332FG-Hank_DG said:

They all should and can keep up with the new allied planes.... The real question is, why the heck are the luftwaffe pilots flying their birds so damn low on Combat box and Knights of the air servers? Each time i get on, everyone's on the floor... What happened to altitude advantage, they are energy fighters. I've seen only 4 aircraft on 4 seperate occasions that were above 4k. Get high folks, attack at the right moments, extend at the right moments, and for the love of peace, quit trying to turn with the p38 and tempest!

 

I mostly fly Bombers on the Side that is outnumbered if you go high you'll have a harder time ID'ing destroyed Buildings and you're being seen very easily and the useless Armament/Ai of the HE111/Ju88 isn't helping since you can have people climb on your 6 without any issue the best defense is not being spotted at all. The highest chance of Survival that i have is flying inside the Clouds or slightly below the Clouds so the Fighters above it can't see me from above and after you disposed your Bombs best is going low above Trees in a Summer map because it is much harder spotting a Black dot above the trees from above than it is spotting somebody high in the Sky.

 

And if you somehow manage to get an Escort on a Public server it will always be way up and before he reacts or gets close you're long dead, why risk dying after flying halfway 5-10 mins to the Objective when you can try to stay hidden and not having to fight at all, if you get spotted in a level bomber you're dead so the best is to not get spotted at all, some people might have other tactics but that is just what i do, flying high never pays off might have changed since the latest update haven't played for a while.

Edited October 10, 2019 by Post_Maloney

[Pict]

On 10/6/2019 at 7:01 PM, mazex said:

The only survivor of the "original plane list" in my head, built as a 13,5 year old 

 

 

Good looking "City of Glasgow" Sqn. Spit VB you made there 

[RAY-EU]

Spring April 1945 Bf 109 K14 :

Bf 109 K-14, intended as high-altitude heavy fighter. Two airframes are listed as delivered to II./JG52 under Major Wilhelm Batz in late spring of 1945, these being armed with only one 30 mm (1.18 in) cannon, but the type's existence cannot be positively confirmed. The K-14 was to be powered by the two-stage supercharged DB 605L engine, using a four-bladed propeller. 760 km/h (470 mph), and an operational altitude of 12,000 m (39,000 ft) was projected. Armour and armament were otherwise similar to the K-6.^[110] 

• K-6 proposed heavy fighter version, as K-4 with reinforced wings holding two additional 30 mm MK 108 cannons and additional armour.

Edited October 19, 2019 by RAY-EU