Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[CanadaOne]

29 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Oh so true.  Quick roll call of my MSFS hanger queens;

 

the Bleriot,

MB339

All the Reno stuff

 Chipmunk 

 P40

the err….German/French thing

Stearman

another bi plane 

the Mooney

the Seminole 

Ju 52

Starfighter

I could go on….really.

 

What have I discovered? The stock Cessna 172 with steam gauges that’s included in the game is one of the best ‘planes available….. and it’s free.

 

Now, should I get the Cardinal? It’s on sale…..so probably.?

 

I don't have many for MSFS

 

MB-339 (I like)

Starfighter (I don't like as much as I hoped)

HPG-145 (Very cool, good fun)

 

But again, the PC-21 looks like fun. I have money in my Steam wallet, but I'm cheap and I don't want to buy something I won't really use. Waiting for the F-15E. That... I will use.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

Starfighter (I don't like as much as I hoped)

Elaborate. My mouse has often hoovered over that one. Why do you not like it. You might save me from that purchase 

[CanadaOne]

Just now, Lusekofte said:

Elaborate. My mouse has often hoovered over that one. Why do you not like it. You might save me from that purchase 

 

I suppose it's okay, kinda vanilla, but I've been spoiled by DCS for jet fighters.

 

Also, I hate... hate... F****** HATE! the controls setup in MSFS and that colours my comments. I think that's why I fly it less and less.

[Lusekofte]

HPG I heard is good. But is it. I do not like the free choppers.  Like flying drones
Personally I high and low when it comes to msfs. Now I am up there. And down in DCS and GB. Latter uninstalled. 

[Archie]

Personally I think I will keep DCS for choppers and fast jets, as they do them so well. MSFS is perfect for GA, sightseeing and clunky old airliners for me.

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

HPG I heard is good. But is it. I do not like the free choppers.  Like flying drones
Personally I high and low when it comes to msfs. Now I am up there. And down in DCS and GB. Latter uninstalled. 

 

I really like the HPG 145. The devs seem like good guys and the module just gets better and better. 

[Lusekofte]

18 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I really like the HPG 145. The devs seem like good guys and the module just gets better and better. 

Well bought it downloaded it and that action pack. 
Do you know how to drop ? on ? 

what assignments that do that? 
 

[LukeFF]

Well, I couldn't resist any longer. The Standard Edition has been on sale for just under 50 bucks, and with an influx of Christmas money, I said heck, why not. ?

 

I don't think civilian flying will ever supersede my preference for combat flight sims, but this'll be a nice diversion. ??

[Hoots]

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Well, I couldn't resist any longer. The Standard Edition has been on sale for just under 50 bucks, and with an influx of Christmas money, I said heck, why not. ?

 

I don't think civilian flying will ever supersede my preference for combat flight sims, but this'll be a nice diversion. ??

Yeah they’re both such different things it’s nice to switch between the two. 

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, LukeFF said:

I don't think civilian flying will ever supersede my preference for combat flight sims, but this'll be a nice diversion. ??

I never believed it myself. 
But when I can fly over real world , looking like real world in vintage aircraft it become addictive. I now fly planes I did in GB and at the moment I like it better, but that is subject to change , because it alway is. Choppers in DCS and airplanes in MSFS is all I do here. And clod in the other house. 
 

 

On 12/25/2022 at 1:13 AM, CanadaOne said:

 

I really like the HPG 145. The devs seem like good guys and the module just gets better and better. 

I bought it and the action pack. Installed realistic chopper fm. And have a blast rescuing people

[Props]

6 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Well, I couldn't resist any longer. The Standard Edition has been on sale for just under 50 bucks, and with an influx of Christmas money, I said heck, why not. ?

 

I don't think civilian flying will ever supersede my preference for combat flight sims, but this'll be a nice diversion. ??

Yep, I spend my mornings in high excitement duals to death in Combat Box and my afternoons cruising various locations around the world in a Cub or my Cessna 310R for relaxation. Plus MSFS gives me some time to hone a number of "real" world flying skills that I have let slip since learning to fly for real many years ago. Like all the flightsims it has had it's problems now again, for which I blame Microsoft, and it's been a pain in the ass at times getting it to run smoothly especially after updates, but when it runs good it has been a real joy. When I see folks complaining about IL2 or DCS on the forums I have to admit that compared to the hassles I've had with MSFS issues IL2 runs well and is definitely easy to deal with as I have never had to deal with any issues in it like I have with MSFS.

 

That being said I do love taking my F4U up for hop once and a while in MSFS!

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Props said:

That being said I do love taking my F4U up for hop once in a while in MSFS!

 Bought the P 38 , if F4U any good? I am a bit in the fence with all ww 2 modules. Also the Reno race thing. I like them to be as realistic as possible in this civil sim 

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

 Bought the P 38 , if F4U any good? I am a bit in the fence with all ww 2 modules. Also the Reno race thing. I like them to be as realistic as possible in this civil sim 

 

You talking about this plane?

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

No I decided not to buy it. 
Just set up that chopper. I have transported sick people, rescued planecrashed people and fishermen with capsized boats done slingloading. 
Sling loading really shows how much better DCS are in chopper physics 

But still it is kind of fun and all

@DD_Arthur is right that Cessna 172 is a gem Took the time flying from Gibraltar to Tanger with it. Soared the cliffs in order to climb and off I went 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I’m surprised I don’t have this yet, but FSX was such a money pit (weather, scenery, mesh, etc) and I was very much relieved to leave it for combat sims, which were more of an all-in-one package, by comparison.  That said, if I buy MSFS off Steam am I going to need additional Microsoft accounts?  (No biggie, but I was annoyed that the last EA game that someone gifted me required me to sign up for an EA account and additional bloatware app that I don’t need or want)

 

 

Edited December 26, 2022 by SeaSerpent

[DD_Arthur]

7 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

 Bought the P 38 , if F4U any good? I am a bit in the fence with all ww 2 modules. Also the Reno race thing. I like them to be as realistic as possible in this civil sim 

Early on I bought a P40 and the FlyingIrons Spitfire. Compared to what is offered by IL2 and DCS these are disappointing.

The Spitfire is rather nice texture and sound wise but when it comes to flight models for warplanes 3rd. party developers for MSFS fall rather short of what is offered by combat flight sims where you live and die by fm and dm.

 

I’ve generally avoided warbirds since then.

 

The Reno race planes are beautiful but….empty. They lack in most things above a basic functionality and the whole Reno thing was a disappointment in my opinion.

 

12 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I’m surprised I don’t have this yet, but FSX was such a money pit (weather, scenery, mesh, etc) and I was very much relieved to leave it for combat sims, which were more of an all-in-one package, by comparison.  That said, if I buy MSFS off Steam am I going to need additional Microsoft accounts?  (No biggie, but I was annoyed that the last EA game that someone gifted me required me to sign up for an EA account and additional bloatware app that I don’t need or want)

I don’t know what exactly is required to operate the game through Steam but buying the game through the MS store does certainly involve jumping through several hoops.

If I knew then what I know now, I would have bought the standard edition through Steam.

 I used to have X-Plane 10 and it was another example of having to buy lots of extra stuff to enhance basic functionality and make it look like you were flying over our planet.

You could even buy “advanced” flight models for certain 3rd party aircraft.

 

I never did any of this. It had some nice features but I spent three weeks trying to balance awful graphics with awful frame rates before deciding it was a stuttering waste of time and junking it.

 

MSFS requires no extras whatsoever to fly above a very recognisable rendition of the earth with smooth, strong frame rates.

 

There certainly are a great deal of ‘extras’ available if you’ve got money burning a hole in your pocket. There is also a truly humongous amount of quality freeware out there.

 

If MSFS really does hook you, be prepared to purchase extra, terra bite size storage.

[Lusekofte]

14 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

If I knew then what I know now, I would have bought the standard edition through Steam.

Well I felt in that time standard was not sufficient equipped with airplanes and airports. 
Now you can pic one gem after an other. 
It is a different ballgame now compared to then. 
I totally agree about the advice of buying standard / basic now. Because there are a lot of good planes you going to buy anyway and probably spend most time with anyway

[CUJO_1970]

Just a little King Air action:

 

 

[LukeFF]

19 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

There certainly are a great deal of ‘extras’ available if you’ve got money burning a hole in your pocket. There is also a truly humongous amount of quality freeware out there.

 

That was one thing I really was impressed by when I was setting up the game yesterday - just within the sim, there is a ton of freeware addons available. Good thing, then, that I (still) have a lot of spare space on my 1TB SSD.

 

As for my in-game experience so far, it's been good. ?? It runs great, it looks great, and it scratches that itch I've always had for wanting to create and fly real-world flight plans. I flew a flight from my home airfield of KREI (Redlands) down to Long Beach, and it went pretty well. 

[LukeFF]

So, I did some searching around and didn't quite find a conclusive answer: does the game support mid-flight saves? It seems like from what I read that it's kind of an unfinished feature at this point.

 

That, and from what I read, to save a mission in-flight, you click Esc and then Save?

[Mtnbiker1998]

Been holding off on this one for awhile, but for $11 on the Steam sale it was hard to argue.

 

Kinda impressed by it, my neighborhood out in the middle of nowhere is still fairly recognizable despite almost certainly getting no special handmade details added, The curated areas look great and for the most part everything seems to work as it should. The stock planes imo are pretty solid considering the reputation stock FS planes have had in the past, but I didn't want to invest in any 3rd party planes just yet.

 

VR performance with my 2060 super was not great though, Playable sure but considering I mainly wanted the game for sightseeing, it ended up being a bit of a bust. Gonna shelve it for now until I upgrade the ole' rig. I'm sure the game will have added all sorts of fun new stuff by then anyway!

 

Definitely a game made for future hardware, but lots of potential here for sure.

 

Now come on Microsoft, Combat Flight Sim 2023!! The genre could sure use the boost that a AAA budgeted mainstream game could provide.

[Props]

On 12/26/2022 at 7:40 AM, Lusekofte said:

 Bought the P 38 , if F4U any good? I am a bit in the fence with all ww 2 modules. Also the Reno race thing. I like them to be as realistic as possible in this civil sim 

Yes the Blackbird Sims (use to be Milviz) is very good, very well modelled. They put a lot of work into their aircraft that's why I am also a big fan of their Cessna 310R. I tend to fly the F4U around the South Pacific hoping to run into a Zero magically appearing over one of those Islands. The Cessna I use to fly around the world sightseeing.

 

I would suggest not using Steam for purchase of MSFS 2020 as just like with IL2 GB, and other sims, those that buy the Steam version seem to have the most problems and issues after the purchase, especially in the Marketplace, as per what I see going on in their forums. MSFS is a fussy install as it is so follow procedure very carefully no matter which way you purchase it!

[dburne]

9 minutes ago, Props said:

Yes the Blackbird Sims (use to be Milviz) is very good, very well modelled. They put a lot of work into their aircraft that's why I am also a big fan of their Cessna 310R. I tend to fly the F4U around the South Pacific hoping to run into a Zero magically appearing over one of those Islands. The Cessna I use to fly around the world sightseeing.

 

I would suggest not using Steam for purchase of MSFS 2020 as just like with IL2 GB, and other sims, those that buy the Steam version seem to have the most problems and issues after the purchase, especially in the Marketplace, as per what I see going on in their forums. MSFS is a fussy install as it is so follow procedure very carefully no matter which way you purchase it!

 

Fully agree - yeah MSFS is a very high maitenance sim - I currently am not flying it but I do have it installed and so far been keeping it updated. 

[Lusekofte]

9 minutes ago, Props said:

Yes the Blackbird Sims (use to be Milviz) is very good, very well modelled. They put a lot of work into their aircraft that's why I am also a big fan of their Cessna 310R

I have done some dumb purchases   Some was expencive like the Connie and that old Boing. 
I simply can not get myself to like the Connie. I cannot get the engines to run in that boing even if I start in air. 
I will only buy from now on things I wanted for a month and have a plan how to use.  
I bought the Twin Otter and  that I do use. 
love the beaver and DC 6. 
p 38 is ok ish but do not seem to use it. So I wait out the Corsair and see if I buy DCS version instead. But I am not sure because I do not use my other ww2 in DCS

[Archie]

Bought the Piper Arrow from Just Flight (cheaper direct than in the in game market place)  have flown it IRL and discovered my local village airfield is in the sim so can fly it from there! I think I'm set now, Arrow for GA, 414 for the longer flights and DC-6 for some heavy stuff.

[Lusekofte]

Well flying choppers in msfs was the fastest way to get me to fly Huey in DCS again. 
albeit this sim is good I find it difficult spending many hours at the time in it, while DCS give me the feeling I haven’t got enough hours in it. 
But some things are just jummy and not provided in other sims

[Archie]

34 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Well flying choppers in msfs was the fastest way to get me to fly Huey in DCS again. 
albeit this sim is good I find it difficult spending many hours at the time in it, while DCS give me the feeling I haven’t got enough hours in it. 
But some things are just jummy and not provided in other sims

After not even turning my game pc on for a long time I will see how things go, eventually I might want some military action.
A6 Intruder could drag me back to DCS I think. I've got a Hind sitting in the hanger but just not enough hours in the day.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Archie said:

After not even turning my game pc on for a long time I will see how things go, eventually I might want some military action.
A6 Intruder could drag me back to DCS I think. I've got a Hind sitting in the hanger but just not enough hours in the day.

I use chopper in DCS for civilian tasks mostly and preferably 

[Lusekofte]

Anyone have the 

the C337H Skymaster

It has always intrested me

[Lusekofte]

Hmm After deleting the DC 6 and reinstalled it once. REinstalled the game once I discover that The DC6 remember your abuse and you have to repair the engines if you wreck them. if eng.#1 wont start, it wont start next time either. you need to fix it.

 

Well I come to singapore now after a couple of prioritised landings due to eng. 1 seizing 

[Guest deleted@83466]

In the land of the midnight Sun, nobody ever sleeps, do they, Luse?

[Lusekofte]

7 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

In the land of the midnight Sun, nobody ever sleeps, do they, Luse?

Yeah, right now land of the dark ages. 
Later years I can go during summer 3 to 5 days without sleep. No problem if one are fishing at night work on days. 
This year same thing happens during constant darkness. 
I guess it is partly to blame Europes economic situations. All project stopped and I got a lot of build up energy. Can be 2 or 3 nights without sleep

[javelina]

I bought the F6F about 6 weeks ago.  A fun bird to fly, and I'm just finishing up a round the world flight with her.  Started out in Phoenix, and flew East.  Currently snowed in at the Missoula airport, trying to get home.  ?  

 

Been learning the 737-600, and just bought the FS2Crew module.  Really adds to the immersion.  The other bird I like to fly is the DC-3.  With the Duckworks mod, she's fantastic. 

 

OpenXR working just fine for me with MSFS2020.  I'm pretty comfortable where I have my VR setup tuned in for this sim.

[Lusekofte]

What is Duckwork mod? 

3 hours ago, javelina said:

I bought the F6F about 6 weeks ago.  A fun bird to fly, and I'm just finishing up a round the world flight with her.  Started out in Phoenix, and flew East.  Currently snowed in at the Missoula airport, trying to get home.  ?  

 

Been learning the 737-600, and just bought the FS2Crew module.  Really adds to the immersion.  The other bird I like to fly is the DC-3.  With the Duckworks mod, she's fantastic. 

 

OpenXR working just fine for me with MSFS2020.  I'm pretty comfortable where I have my VR setup tuned in for this sim.

Is it this ? 

 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Lusekofte

[javelina]

23 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

What is Duckwork mod? 

Is it this ? 

 

Yes!  They now have a version 0.2.9  grab that one!

[Lusekofte]

23 minutes ago, javelina said:

Yes!  They now have a version 0.2.9  grab that one!

I will. I love the Dc 3. Haven’t the faintest idea what realistic startup is in the DC 3 so I like to learn that

[javelina]

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I will. I love the Dc 3. Haven’t the faintest idea what realistic startup is in the DC 3 so I like to learn that

also, if you haven't done so already...  check the MSFS2020 marketplace for "DC-3 Enhanced".  It's some additional freeware, (4K cockpit stuff, etc).  Well worth it.

[Lusekofte]

30 minutes ago, javelina said:

also, if you haven't done so already...  check the MSFS2020 marketplace for "DC-3 Enhanced".  It's some additional freeware, (4K cockpit stuff, etc).  Well worth it.

That I did, but spent a lot of time with the DC 6 So I haven’t had much time to do tha 3 

[javelina]

23 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

That I did, but spent a lot of time with the DC 6 So I haven’t had much time to do tha 3 

I was considering the DC-6.  I'm really enjoying the 737, (the developer does an awesome job).  what's your verdict on the DC-6?

 

I picked this up via eBay for my DC-3.  It's actually a nifty manual, with some really good info.

 

[Lusekofte]

5 minutes ago, javelina said:

what's your verdict on the DC-6?

If you asked me a couple of days ago. I would answered differently. 
But now I love the plane. It remember all your abuse to it. If you move throttles too fast too often . Next time it will not start on one or two engines. Even if you uninstall/ install it. 
It is just my plane. You got this iPad in the pit. You need to repair and maintain those radials