Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[CanadaOne]

6 hours ago, Redwo1f said:

Regardless of whether you like Steam as a distributor or not (and there are certainly valid opinions on both sides) - the main negative imho is they take too large a cut of the sales, however among the numerous pros, I will say that there are small studios and indies that have had a chance to get their games noticed and out there that never would have been able to before (I thoroughly enjoy many of these titles).

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True dat! I bought Universe Sandbox and Space Engine only because I saw them on Steam.

 

Saw a great FS2020 video yesterday showing different cities in North America, and I can vouch for Montreal (at 11:00) being really good.

 

 

[CanadaOne]

Some serious 3D action when he's climbing the sides of the buildings. Amazing detail!

 

 

[Blooddawn1942]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

Some serious 3D action when he's climbing the sides of the buildings. Amazing detail!

 

 

Amazing. Now we need a helicopter asap to fly in Manhattan! 

[unlikely_spider]

54 minutes ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

Amazing. Now we need a helicopter asap to fly in Manhattan! 

Just take one of the Cubs. Not that different, really.

[Uufflakke]

7 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

Saw a great FS2020 video yesterday showing different cities in North America, and I can vouch for Montreal (at 11:00) being really good.

 

 

Saw it yesterday also.

I was already impressed how DCS created Las Vegas but this is beyond believe.

 

But Washington D.C. has some flaws: The Washington Monument, an obelisk, turned into a very tall skyscraper, The underlying texture shows its original 2D image + shadow. Together with the shadow of the skyscraper it has two shadows now.

In some places houseblocks and other buildings in Washington D.C. are nothing more than 3D grey blocks. As you can see from 37min 25 seconds.

 

 

[DD_Arthur]

Have any of these guys putting up videos mentioned their system specs at all? I know Microsoft have published the ‘official’ requirements but I’d be interested to hear from actual users.

[dbzero]

I was introduced to Steam when I bought Empire Total War. Was not happy but since then ok with Steam. Introduced to stuff I probably would have never seen.

 

Its been said MS Flight Sims often are designed to take into account the projected hardware that will become available in the future, so it won’t run smoothly at the highest levels with everything turned up to max with current hardware available. 
 

Find out soon. 
 

Cities look great and they plan on updating and adding more. 
 

waiting for when cities will have traffic jams and people milling about like the city building sims.

1 minute ago, DD_Arthur said:

Have any of these guys putting up videos mentioned their system specs at all? I know Microsoft have published the ‘official’ requirements but I’d be interested to hear from actual users.

There are YouTube videos with graphical comparisons and specs

[unlikely_spider]

21 minutes ago, tiger_0988 said:

I was introduced to Steam when I bought Empire Total War. Was not happy but since then ok with Steam. Introduced to stuff I probably would have never seen.

 

Its been said MS Flight Sims often are designed to take into account the projected hardware that will become available in the future, so it won’t run smoothly at the highest levels with everything turned up to max with current hardware available. 
 

Find out soon. 
 

Cities look great and they plan on updating and adding more. 
 

waiting for when cities will have traffic jams and people milling about like the city building sims.

There are YouTube videos with graphical comparisons and specs

Also I read an article yesterday (Ars Technica maybe?) that said that one of the priorities before and just after release is performance. I don't remember where they saw the roadmap, but I specifically remember the author calling out performance issues but stating that they expect different results at release.

 

Edit: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/07/ms-flight-simulator-our-yoke-on-look-at-new-features-gorgeous-flights/3/

Edited August 5, 2020 by unlikely_spider

[dbzero]

19 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

Also I read an article yesterday (Ars Technica maybe?) that said that one of the priorities before and just after release is performance. I don't remember where they saw the roadmap, but I specifically remember the author calling out performance issues but stating that they expect different results at release.

 

Edit: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/07/ms-flight-simulator-our-yoke-on-look-at-new-features-gorgeous-flights/3/

Wow seems like they have a lot of optimization work to do before release. I check off all the boxes for I deal specs with the exception of my CPU which is a 4 core I-6700K. Ill be using an LG 34UC89G running at 2560x1080. I also have a secondary monitor hooked up to my RTX2080 A Samsung 30 inch. I have a spare monitor stand arm so I could put a third monitor.

[Redwo1f]

Looks decent even at "Low", but quite the jump, imho, going up to "Medium" (I don't think I would have a hope at Ultra anyway). Here is a graphical comparison at various settings:

 

 

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Have any of these guys putting up videos mentioned their system specs at all? I know Microsoft have published the ‘official’ requirements but I’d be interested to hear from actual users.

 

I bought an 8-core 3700X just for this. I hope it works. 

[Stoopy]

On 8/1/2020 at 6:06 PM, DD_Arthur said:

Can none of these preview guys land their planes?

 

Finally, here's a reviewer who can grease it on properly and doesn't just plank the thing onto the runway as if he's doing a carrier landing at night in a thunderstorm and 40-foot swells.  Gets a nice little chirp from the tires @11:41 too.

 

Oh, it's also a well-produced video, as are many of this particular YouTuber's efforts, with a great walk-through of many of the menus. 

 

 

I'm also REALLY trying not to watch and post about every preview out there, because right now there are so many, there won't be anything new to see when the sim finally releases!

 

But this is a pretty good video going over all the graphic setting options.  And I'm pretty encouraged by this since my system is very similar if just a tick better than the system used in this video (Win10, i7 4790K, Nvidia 1660ti, 32Gb RAM).  I think the "High" settings will do me just fine.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Stoopy

[dburne]

Wow very impressive. Sloped runways, reflections and lighting. Exciting stuff.

[DD_Arthur]

Excellent Stoopy!

 

Release in twelve days?  I wonder if they'll be any real 747's still carrying passengers by then.......

[DetCord12B]

5 hours ago, Stoopy said:

 

Finally, here's a reviewer who can grease it on properly and doesn't just plank the thing onto the runway as if he's doing a carrier landing at night in a thunderstorm and 40-foot swells.  Gets a nice little chirp from the tires @11:41 too.

 

Oh, it's also a well-produced video, as are many of this particular YouTuber's efforts, with a great walk-through of many of the menus.

 

I could've done without to 2+ minute electro music track intro...2 minutes! I think he said realistic several hundred times and his forced, fake radio voice makes me wanna stab ice picks in my ears. It's like trying to watch anything by ObsidianAnt.

 

"As you can see the world is modeled as planet earth" As opposed to what, Europa? Most of it feels like unrehearsed rambling with no direction. There is good info here and there but this one is chocked full of random filler.

 

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I'm also REALLY trying not to watch and post about every preview out there, because right now there are so many, there won't be anything new to see when the sim finally releases!

 

But this is a pretty good video going over all the graphic setting options.  And I'm pretty encouraged by this since my system is very similar if just a tick better than the system used in this video (Win10, i7 4790K, Nvidia 1660ti, 32Gb RAM).  I think the "High" settings will do me just fine.

 

This one on the other hand is quite good. Thanks for this one!

[Stoopy]

8 hours ago, DetCord12B said:

 

I could've done without to 2+ minute electro music track intro...2 minutes!

 

Sadly this seems to be par for the course with any YouTube content these days.  I automatically just punch ahead anywhere past the 1:00 mark for videos of this nature.    I teed up the video so it should have started around the 10:35 mark so you could just see the landing I was talking about, don't know if it worked for anyone but me... it was a sweet touchdown, I'll give him that...

 

8 hours ago, DetCord12B said:

"As you can see the world is modeled as planet earth" As opposed to what, Europa?

 

Ya'know, with so much satellite imagery of many bodies in our solar system available, Microsoft could just as easily build a virtual twin of any of them using this platform.  You could be on to something here.   Flying the X-Cub around Olympus Mons would make for some ultimate Martian bush flying!  ?

 

Edited August 6, 2020 by Stoopy

[Uufflakke]

Talking about details in MSF 2020.

Who would ever have thought to add flickering television sets in living rooms in a flight sim?

https://youtu.be/OUvRSstkSMQ?t=1528

 

I love the rain effects on the tarmac.

https://youtu.be/OUvRSstkSMQ?t=1035

 

 

[Kapteeni]

Just ordered the Premium Deluxe  version. I only have mediumcore PC, but i quess  my Ryzen 5 and GTX 1660Ti plus 16 gig ram i can run high settings...

 

[Blooddawn1942]

Initially I just wanted to go with the basic version.... but alas.... pre ordered the version with extra cheese and stuff.... ?

[Hoots]

16 minutes ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

Initially I just wanted to go with the basic version.... but alas.... pre ordered the version with extra cheese and stuff.... ?

 

I have a feeling you are not alone in this...

[Stoopy]

1 hour ago, Uufflakke said:

Talking about details in MSF 2020.

Who would ever have thought to add flickering television sets in living rooms in a flight sim?

https://youtu.be/OUvRSstkSMQ?t=1528

 

Holy cow that's wild!

 

"They are repeated a little bit..."

 

Well of course, everyone's watching the same show!!  ?

 

[RedKestrel]

2 hours ago, Stoopy said:

 

Sadly this seems to be par for the course with any YouTube content these days.  I automatically just punch ahead anywhere past the 1:00 mark for videos of this nature.    I teed up the video so it should have started around the 10:35 mark so you could just see the landing I was talking about, don't know if it worked for anyone but me... it was a sweet touchdown, I'll give him that...

 

 

Ya'know, with so much satellite imagery of many bodies in our solar system available, Microsoft could just as easily build a virtual twin of any of them using this platform.  You could be on to something here.   Flying the X-Cub around Olympus Mons would make for some ultimate Martian bush flying!  ?

 

 I wonder what kind of resolution they need for their imagery and elevation data to work? That might be the limiting factor on what they can simulate. Something that looks gorgeous from high up might look like trash at 5000 feet if the resolution isn't fine enough. 

I'm not usually into civilian flight sims but TBH the only thing REALLY holding me back from just getting the basic version is the internet bandwidth requirement. On most days I can get up to 30 mpbs but there are definitely times when I dip below 5mbps, especially in the summer when the bloody cottagers are around chewing through Ye Olde Rural Internet Infrastructure. Streaming terrain data would probably choke out the kid's Youtubez and for that I would catch hell.

 

1 minute ago, Stoopy said:

 

Holy cow that's wild!

 

"They are repeated a little bit..."

 

Well of course, everyone's watching the same show!!  ?

 

Put the youtube review videos on the tv screens!

[Stoopy]

18 minutes ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

Initially I just wanted to go with the basic version.... but alas.... pre ordered the version with extra cheese and stuff.... ?

 

Good call.  Just from watching all the preview vids I can tell I'm starting to get sick of the G1000 and want a C172 with regular steam gauges for old-school IFR flight challenges.  Plus the 152 looks pretty cool for just knocking around in and since it's what a young Stoopy did his flight training in, I'm looking forward to the Aerobat version.

 

Although I hope someone comes up with an appropriately weathered and dirty livery for the C152, right now it is way too clean and pristine to live up to it's namesake as the "One Filthy Two". 

 

[JimTM]

16 minutes ago, Stoopy said:

 

Good call.  Just from watching all the preview vids I can tell I'm starting to get sick of the G1000 and want a C172 with regular steam gauges for old-school IFR flight challenges.  Plus the 152 looks pretty cool for just knocking around in and since it's what a young Stoopy did his flight training in, I'm looking forward to the Aerobat version.

 

Although I hope someone comes up with an appropriately weathered and dirty livery for the C152, right now it is way too clean and pristine to live up to it's namesake as the "One Filthy Two". 

 

 

Can you spin the C152 in MS FS 2020? I did my training in the C150 and C152 and spin training was part of the course (what fun!). My Just Flight C152 in X-Plane will not spin.

[unlikely_spider]

8 minutes ago, JimTM said:

 

Can you spin the C152 in MS FS 2020? I did my training in the C150 and C152 and spin training was part of the course (what fun!). My Just Flight C152 in X-Plane will not spin.

Huh. I've been considering a PPL, the main issue being my tendency to get motion sickness. This does not sound fun ?

[AndyJWest]

I'd be really interested to learn how well MSFS 2020 models spins. There was an early video showing one of the GA aircraft in what looked like a plausible spin, but it didn't really indicate much. Given the inclusion of several aerobatic aircraft, it would be a real pity if they haven't made the effort to get it somewhere close. Modelling high-alpha post-stall behaviour is difficult,  but we know it can be done.

[dbzero]

Only thing that's missing besides helos is gliders. They are one of my favorites to fly in FS.

[JimTM]

55 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

Huh. I've been considering a PPL, the main issue being my tendency to get motion sickness. This does not sound fun ?

 

I never had an issue with motion sickness as long as I was in control of the plane. That included stalls, spins, and some real elevator rides in moderate turbulence. Maybe go for a demo ride with an instructor and see how you tolerate it. Note that the C150/C152 will spin readily and safely so spins can be part of the course in those planes. In some other planes, spins are prohibited.

Edited August 6, 2020 by JimTM

[ZachariasX]

40 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

I'd be really interested to learn how well MSFS 2020 models spins.

 

In a Robin, here‘s how it should look:

Spoiler

 

 

The idea of doing spin in a real DR400 freaks me out though. But revovery is swift, just kick the rudder. We can try if that works in the sim.

 

But it surely had to be modeled for each aircraft in the sim individually, as FM computation does not go post stall, ever, for any sim. We‘ll still have a mix of FM computation and tables. Same as FSX with its higher grade payware addons. I doubt that we have such for all stock aircraft. Some would even require specific commands such as „cabin crew, please move all PAX aft“.

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, JimTM said:

 

Can you spin the C152 in MS FS 2020? I did my training in the C150 and C152 and spin training was part of the course (what fun).

How long ago was this Jim? I know they teach spin awareness but I thought they gave up spin recovery training for ppl’s on both sides of the pond about three decades ago ?

[JimTM]

18 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

How long ago was this Jim? I know they teach spin awareness but I thought they gave up spin recovery training for ppl’s on both sides of the pond about three decades ago ?

 

Waaayyy back in '75 and some brush-up training in '88. 

 

Just to be precise, we practiced recovery from incipient spins, where we were expected to recover after 1 or 2 turns. My instructor demo'ed a 10 turn spin once so I could see how it developed.

Edited August 6, 2020 by JimTM

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, unlikely_spider said:

Huh. I've been considering a PPL, the main issue being my tendency to get motion sickness. This does not sound fun ?

Being in control helps a great lot as @JimTM says. In twin seat gliders, it is even very much advisable to switch control at least every hour in flight, as if you really have to work for your altitude, almost anyone will get motion sickness at some point. The rest is getting used to it if you do more hours. Mölders had that as well.

 

You can try how you do if they pass you the controls and then let you fly circles and eights for some time. See how you fare then. Don‘t start with spins...

 

Edit: Just saw you fly for a long time. Still, many are not comfortable with such in the passenger seat. 

Edited August 6, 2020 by ZachariasX

[JimTM]

30 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

Edit: Just saw you fly for a long time. Still, many are not comfortable with such in the passenger seat. 

 

Just a good time, not a long time. I gave it up in '90 as I did not have the cash to spare to log a few hours every week and do recurring training with an instructor. I might have scraped by with an hour here and there, but that didn't seem like the safe thing to do.

[Stoopy]

2 hours ago, JimTM said:

 

Can you spin the C152 in MS FS 2020? I did my training in the C150 and C152 and spin training was part of the course (what fun!). My Just Flight C152 in X-Plane will not spin.

 

A C-152 Amigo!

 

I sure hope they're spinnable, from what I've heard from the new flight modeling they should be!  There were some aircraft that were carefully modeled in FSX that could emulate spins, the RealAir Scout/Citabria/Decathlon did a very believable spin.  

 

This is a young Stoopy in another life circa 1974.  13 years old with my flight instructor Jim (no relation I'm guessing?) and N6266T, located at O28, Willits-Ellis field in Northern California.   A really cool airport that sits on top of a hill overlooking the north of town - breathtaking takeoffs and motivation to avoid landing long when using the south runway.  Sadly, according to the FAA registry, 66 Tango was destroyed during an airport storm a few years ago.  Jim and I had some very exciting spin training with her.  Guess where my first flight in MFS20 is gonna be?  ?  

 

 

50 minutes ago, JimTM said:

Just to be precise, we practiced recovery from incipient spins, where we were expected to recover after 1 or 2 turns. My instructor demo'ed a 10 turn spin once so I could see how it developed.

 

Same here.  I remember watching the speedo wind up to 140 with the nose pointed almost straight down, and the cows in the field below us going around and around with the whole plane sounding like a Stuka siren.  Instructor was definitely not happy with the development and told me it was a "graveyard spin" - only time he ever said anything close to being dramatic.  

 

She was a helluva gal, not a real looker but always willing to go...

 

Edited August 6, 2020 by Stoopy

[ZachariasX]

23 minutes ago, JimTM said:

Just a good time, not a long time. I gave it up in '90 as I did not have the cash to spare to log a few hours every week and do recurring training with an instructor. I might have scraped by with an hour here and there, but that didn't seem like the safe thing to do.

 

You still know how things work, in this sense you haven‘t given up much. And there is often someone to be found who doesn‘t want to fly alone. Plus, think of it this way, you can still rent any plane you want to. You just do so along with renting a pilot. If you get to them to know that you know what you are doing, they will still hand you the controls for some part of the flight. I did that with renting a Spitfire. Life is too short not having fun. You are not limited anymore to specific aircraft types. You are just limited to what you find (just ask the internet!) and what your budget reasonably allows. But flying 1 time instead of ten times lets you rent an awfully more cool ride for the same cash.

 

30 minutes ago, Stoopy said:

She was a helluva gal, not a real looker but always willing to go...

Nothing like learning to fly when you‘re young. It is then when you learn to feel the aircraft. With age comes too much thinking.

[Stoopy]

7 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

I'd be really interested to learn how well MSFS 2020 models spins. There was an early video showing one of the GA aircraft in what looked like a plausible spin, but it didn't really indicate much. Given the inclusion of several aerobatic aircraft, it would be a real pity if they haven't made the effort to get it somewhere close. Modelling high-alpha post-stall behaviour is difficult,  but we know it can be done.

 

Best I've seen is indicated at the 8 minute mark in this video.  It may be the video you were already referring to. 

 

 

[DetCord12B]

I'm A320 qualed, via the sims at least.

 

When we get shared-cockpit, anyone up for a short ride?

[Dutch2]

5 hours ago, DetCord12B said:

I'm A320 qualed, via the sims at least.

 

When we get shared-cockpit, anyone up for a short ride?

 

Only if it is a bomber.  ?

[fiddlinjim]

Microsoft billed me for my Pre Order today, so looks like they are going to put it out on schedule.

[jollyjack]

It seems MS Flight sim is on the verge of release .....  Microsoft Flight Simulator Available August 18, 2020 with xbox beta version.

 

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/microsoft-flight-simulator?irgwc=1&OCID=AID2000142_aff_7593_10078&tduid=(ir__9stevjnedckft03gkk0sohz3ze2xil61mf9dhmfr00)(7593)(10078)(theverge.com)(66960X1514734Xac57fea11e62f8d7e38493d3f3edc501)&irclickid=_9stevjnedckft03gkk0sohz3ze2xil61mf9dhmfr00

 

I tried several other flight sims, and none appealed to me more that IL2 Great Battles sofar .....

Even Tobruk recently is just not up to GB standards, although i really appreciate what the ATAG Tem Fusion guys have come up with.

 

Opinions?

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by jollyjack