Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[Lusekofte]

5 hours ago, Ace_Pilto said:

I'm waiting for DCS to mature and become a flyable game. I think it is finally getting close.

What? I thought it was a flyable game. I can’t say any choppers outside DCs meet same standards except some in x plane. 
I must say ww2 modules beat most too. 
And for jet well you got falcon bms but that is just too much

So I can’t say I agree with you

[Ace_Pilto]

You can spoend $300 in DCS and there's nothing to do. Trust me, I' have done it.

[Lusekofte]

I spent far more than that but spent most of that time in 4 modules and mostly one majority of the time. So I really can’t say I get your point. With MI 8 at 40$ I spent years of flying alone. Nothing in msfs make me do that. 
you see it is subjective, it might be the truth for you. But it still not the truth. 

[BOO]

38 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

I spent far more than that but spent most of that time in 4 modules and mostly one majority of the time. So I really can’t say I get your point. With MI 8 at 40$ I spent years of flying alone. Nothing in msfs make me do that. 
you see it is subjective, it might be the truth for you. But it still not the truth. 

I spent even less than Luse on the Hip have had hundreds of hours of playtime with it. More than MSFS (which I think is great) and IL2 combined. 

 

So sorry @Ace_Pilto I cant agree either. For everything DCS cocks up, there is more than enough for me to make it the one sim I couldnt do without. Id also say every campaign Ive bought or that comes for free has also held my attention for many hours to. YMMV.

 

 

[Ace_Pilto]

I'm just holding my fing3ers extra crossed that we finally get some usefull comtext for all those nice aircraft in DCS. I've paid more in dollars than I've spent in hours on it because there's nothing to do with any of the aircraft. I load up the F/A-18, turn it on, land it on a carrier and say "Oh well, that's it, I guess".

 

I'm not a sweaty multigooner who wants to make my kill numbers bigger so it's just a waste of time for me until it grows up and puts a hat in the ring with a proper campaign.

Idk why they never focused on Vietnam from the start, It's just a hot mess of eras, aircraft and nothing to tie it together. 

 

YET

 

I feel that it might be coming though and I sincerely hope it is.

 

Anyway, were supposed to be MSFS bimbling here, not zooming at mach 2 with our pants on fire.

[Ace_Pilto]

For the record I'll go ahead and say it's a great sim but it's empty. There's nothing in it that makes me want to play it or spend money on it.

I'll smash another 1,000 hours In Skyrim with 3,600 mods and come back to it when it grows up

[Ace_Pilto]

In fact that's precisely why I like apps like Neofly and PWCG. In Neofly I get some young lass come on the radio at the end of every flight to tell me what a cool dude I am for making a basic landing and then money numbers get closer to the DHC-2 I want to buy to fart arounf PNG in. PWCG, has me caring about some idiot AI because if I can stop him from dying he might become vaguely useful one day and I won't have to shoot down 6 planes every mission to break even. 

 

Also, has anyone been using the Fly by Eire traffic injector. I have and it seems pretty decent but it would be nice if you could assign an aircraft type to the callsign. A lot of the time It spawns regional traffic as VFR but in truth the aircraft actually exists in the sim and doesn't need a generic replacer.

[ZachariasX]

I share some of @Ace_Piltos sentiment regarding DCS. It‘s nice getting to learn the aircraft, but when it comes to actually doing something with it, I am compelled to launch the mission editor (which is a great piece of software) and build everything from scratch. The instant action provides something, but if you like steam gauge aircraft, it is moderately fun getting AMRAAMed all the time. So I am never really flying, but building a mission and testing it. Also, I am not so fond of flight as such in that sim. Turbulences and wind shear never rock the aircraft, it flys serenely stable through any weather, the wind just adding to the flight vector. It feels odd.

 

MSFS for me is way more than just bimbling around. The scenery is fantastic (and great for teaching geography to the kids), but I like the clouds more. MSFS allows me to just try a flight I would never have taken and see if I can make it with just basic nav aids. And with clouds, I mean real weather, as the local diversity of it (as it should be, depending on location) sets it apart from generic presets that not in the least capture an atmosphere like continental Europe. Presets work for flying patterns, but not for a flight. The weather is the mightiest enemy, and not knowing what he is up to behind the next mountain ridge makes flight the challenge it is. I can look outside my window and think to myself, „could I cross the Alps now?“. I can launch the sim and find out. Usually, one can, but is very glad not having tried for real.

 

Air combat is one minute of exitement followed by another twenty minutes of boredom by crossing a bland map to get to the target (the weather never matters, it is just made not to matter) and there I am at risk of getting rekt in 10 seconds in MP. In MSFS, you can bring yourself in situations, where you will not know for half an hour whether your flight will end at destination or by a black screen.

 

 

PNG also is an utterly fantastic place to fly. Big airports don‘t mean it‘s easy, like Lae to Mount Hagen. The smaller strips (that’s most places) are even more challenging, as it requires you to either land on sloped moutain ridges or deep valleys. The terrain is an issue and you cannot know what the weather at destination will be and if you‘d even be able to go there.

 

I do like the idea of doing missions, but generic flights I find boring. I wouldn‘t want to grind through such missions. I like challenges like could I make given flight under such and such conditions? Simulator worlds are conceived around the idea of nice weather (initially due to technical necessity, but the idea stayed). Yet, most weather conditions are not permissive for flight for many aircraft (night, anyone?). But could I do it anyway?

[ZachariasX]

PNG is just great. Guvari AYGF (Wau) to Kokoda (AYKO). You're beasically driving along a mountain 700 m ridge to jump off the cliff ar 6400 ft. only to climb as much as you can to make it across the 12'000 ft. mountain range around you.

 

 

It's not far, but you cannot tell how the weather will look like there. Now, it was rather precarious on the way and the 14000 or so ft ceiling of the Comanche isn't much at all. PNG makes you more often than not taking everything from your ride that it has, hoping it will be enough to keep you alive.

 

 

It is with a sigh of great relief when you find an opening in the clouds to see your destination. Even better when weather opens up just in time you get there.

 

 

These arrivals are often earned the hard way. Without GPS, the only way to go is tiptoeing your way from one airfield to the next. As you are constantly avoiding the weather, dead reckoning is next to impossible. In the whole country, there are four and a half beacons, two of them at or near Port Moresby. Going places certainly keeps one busy.

[Lusekofte]

On 6/1/2024 at 1:35 AM, Ace_Pilto said:

I'm not a sweaty multigooner who wants to make my kill numbers bigger

I get what you’re at. I respect your point of view , but too me that is exactly what I think of MSFS. I love the scenery. 
MI 8 got a good load of civil things to do in DCS and is in my opinion still the best chopper in DCs. 
if I flew F 18 I might have felt the same way. 
when I learned the AH 64 I took it upon me to learn F 18 afterward, rendering me into a unbelievable fatigue lasting for three month. I was so fed up with dsc I could not start the game. If I wasn’t into choppers, I probably ditch DCs too. But msfs would not save my interest for flight sim. I probably quit it all together. 

[DD_Arthur]

On 5/29/2024 at 7:28 AM, DD_fruitbat said:

I'm waiting for Microsoft flight simulator to become a flight simulator rather than 'Microsoft scenery simulator' (that part of it is amazing though).

 

It really, really is a flight simulation.  The civil avionics are at least on a par with some of the astonishing stuff DCS can replicate when it comes to radar and weapons systems but yes, the scenery simulation really is amazing. 

An evening flip around West Cornwall; gods country as the locals* call it.....

 

 

[LukeFF]

Take the off-topic comments somewhere else, please.

[Ace_Pilto]

I've heard that Microshaft is planning to actually acknowledge the fact that aircraft are tools utilised with real human purpose in their next simulator. So there will be a utilitarian context to their simulator other than, haha I'm smart I can flick switches that a checklist says to flick. Imagine that, an actual flight sim where the PURPOSE of flying is simulated along with the mechanics.

[Lusekofte]

10 hours ago, Ace_Pilto said:

I've heard that Microshaft is planning to actually acknowledge the fact that aircraft are tools utilised with real human purpose in their next simulator. So there will be a utilitarian context to their simulator other than, haha I'm smart I can flick switches that a checklist says to flick. Imagine that, an actual flight sim where the PURPOSE of flying is simulated along with the mechanics.

I read a little about 2024. It might be the one I upgrade my pc for. Currently I uninstalled 2020 

Iflew it so seldom, that I only started it for updating it. 
I will probably buy 2024 when I read some reviews and it’s been around for 6 month. I won’t get on the same fix , reinstall fix bus as last time. 

[Ace_Pilto]

Clever way to play it Lusekoft: "A smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from the mistakes of others."

[ZachariasX]

In Switzerland today, we have about 4400 private pilots and about 1100 professional pilots. Hence, the vast majority does what you do in MSFS, namely pick your plane and do as you please. But I agree, it is nice to give the majority a tool to experience the situation of the minority.

[Enceladus828]

Rebuilding a flyable Fw-200 replica: 

 

[Blitzen]

May I ask which version of MSFlight Sim incorporates VR and photo realistic aircraft from the pre WW2 and WW era like the Kondor and American “Heavies,” like the B-17, B-24,and B-29, or are these sort aircraft third party add-ones?

[Lusekofte]

9 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

May I ask which version of MSFlight Sim incorporates VR and photo realistic aircraft from the pre WW2 and WW era like the Kondor and American “Heavies,” like the B-17, B-24,and B-29, or are these sort aircraft third party add-ones?

VR is excellent in this game. The only thing I miss after uninstalling. You can fly 2d or vr with a double click on your keyboard. 
reason for my uninstall was a continuous buggy DC 6 and lack of space. DC 6 is really adorable but while I was flying this I experienced only problems after endless updates. I am talking 2020. I will have a look at 24 version when reports say it is a stable platform. 

[Aapje]

The Fieseler Storch Fi-156 is available as a free addon:

 

https://flightsim.to/file/79456/full-msfs-conversion-fsaddon-s-fieseler-storch-fi-156

 

Even with foldable wings.

 

[AndyJWest]

Looks weird with the big wheels, but I see they are optional. I'll give it a try, and see what the flight model is like.

[Lusekofte]

48 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

Looks weird with the big wheels, but I see they are optional. I'll give it a try, and see what the flight model is like.

I bet you would love those big wheels , bush flying. It’s kind of explains the difference between rl and simulator. 

[AndyJWest]

I had a quick look at the free Storch Aapje linked above. This is a conversion of an FSX model, and unfortunately it shows. The flight model seems ok, or at least plausible, by MSFS standards, but the cockpit in particular is a bit of a let-down. 

 

It seems that there is a paid-for Storch under development though, which appears from WIP images to be much more detailed. Worth keeping an eye on, if you want something you'll actually spend much time with. 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/announcement-fieseler-fi-156-storch-in-development-by-thirdwind-simulations/648606/1

[Aapje]

Yeah, but as far as I know this is the only option we have right now. I don't know how long Thirdwind will take. The Storch is the first project for this new developer, so it is probably going to take them longer rather than shorter, as they need to learn things and develop tooling.

[Adger]

Still flying the incredible A2A Piper Comanche, Flying from Bembridge on the Isle of Wight to Southampton...

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by Adger

[DD_Arthur]

Beautiful screenies!

[Adger]

Old Warden (EGTH) - East Midlands EGNX

 

[Gingerwelsh]

Interestingly, you have captured Ratcliffe-on-Soar power station in the background, Britains last coal fired power supply, (2000 megawatts).

 

Shut down today after 142 years of British coal electricity generation and destined to be flat land in 2 years time.

..

Edited October 1, 2024 by Gingerwelsh

[Adger]

EGCB Barton---EGNT Newcastle

 

[Adger]

Birmingham EGBB--Manchester EGCC

 

Early morning flight..

Tittesworth Reservoir, a few miles from my home

 

 

 

The Airport pub

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

On 9/1/2024 at 12:43 AM, AndyJWest said:

Looks weird with the big wheels, but I see they are optional. I'll give it a try, and see what the flight model is like.

Are you sure it's the wheels? 🤣

Edited October 4, 2024 by Bremspropeller

[Adger]

Possibly my last flight in the Comanche in MSFS 2020..

Edited November 19, 2024 by Adger

[Lusekofte]

I will look closely on what happening on that 2024 version. I will not buy it until I bought a new rig. 
I will be interested in the career and chopper fm. I really like the chopper part to be more chopper and less drone

[Adger]

4 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I will look closely on what happening on that 2024 version. I will not buy it until I bought a new rig. 
I will be interested in the career and chopper fm. I really like the chopper part to be more chopper and less drone

Yeah looks like it’s getting off to a slow launch mate, issues all around with both Microsoft store and Steam versions. 

[Lusekofte]

23 hours ago, Adger said:

Yeah looks like it’s getting off to a slow launch mate, issues all around with both Microsoft store and Steam versions. 

It’s a mess. Had to slumber fb group it spammed down by idiots already gotten refund. 
they gave up on it day one. Others are plain mean, I wonder what they expected? If I had pre bought it I would’ve waited a couple of days to avoid the rush. 
This franchise is the only real simulator when it comes to customer base. Cfs could only dream of these numbers. 

[TempestV]

I want to thank everyone who purchased it for their BETA testing.

I'll get it someday.😁

[szelljr]

I 'deleted  a year ago... Horror.    Horror.      I wanted a fast 15-20 minutes fly...NOOO !! Checking for updates....find....updating....checking...bla bla bla .....Horror game , i never put back on my computer. Never.       2024 version  ??  Never.      Horror .

[BOO]

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

It’s a mess. Had to slumber fb group it spammed down by idiots already gotten refund. 
they gave up on it day one. Others are plain mean, I wonder what they expected? If I had pre bought it I would’ve waited a couple of days to avoid the rush. 
This franchise is the only real simulator when it comes to customer base. Cfs could only dream of these numbers. 

 

I think there was always going to be an element who were going to do this. I have no rush to buy and install but buy and install I will at some point after Christmas. 

[Aapje]

Yeah, it was a horrible game when I still had a slow internet connection. I called it Download Simulator back then. You really need fast internet.

[Adger]

I stuck with MSFS 2020, i'll wait a bit longer to see how MSFS 2024 shapes up..Anyway A2A'S Piper Comanche. IMHO it's worth every penny.

 

Popham to Cardiff using Beyond ATC and Core Vessals