Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[LukeFF]

Unfortunately, this was yet again another flight with crash after crash after crash to desktop. The first time it was while we were en route and passing over an airport - stuttering and then crash. The next time it was on final approach to our destination - again, stuttering and then a crash.

 

I loaded up the game again, deleted the rolling cache as I did last time, and teleported to the final approach phase - nope, CTD yet again. Tried again a few more times, crash. Finally, I saw someone mention that the rolling cache itself can be a problem, so I deleted and then disabled it, and then went in and made sure my driver settings for the game were set to the recommended defaults. Then, back into the game and final approach - finally! Geeze, only took about six times. ?

 

I dunno what to think at this point. I'd been running the game with the default 8GB rolling cache for weeks without problems, and then suddenly this started causing problems. Either it's a driver issue, or the rolling cache is just causing havoc for some reason every time I come into land. I have a fast internet connection, so I wonder if I should just leave it disabled.

[Props]

I was experiencing constant CTDs during flight (only in flight) for a long time. After playing with all the NV control Panel settings, Ingame graphics settings and Windows stuff that I learned from from watching Youtube vids I still had CTDs every flight. Then I set a Max framerate in the NV CP to a lower fps of 72 (RTX 3080 and AMD 5800x), with a mix of medium and high settings ingame and started finishing most of my flights with the occasional CTD. Then I went and tweaked my undervolted RTX 3080 just a smidgeon lower. Lo and behold no more CTDs! I am sure some of the stuff I learned online helped, but those 2 changes made all the difference in my opinion. MSFS runs smooth as silk since WU11 with low CPU & GPU temps and a near constant 72 fps, and I have been very happy with it. Of course I never fly from LAX or JFK, or other large cities so that may help too. I never have any background apps or browsers open in the PC either when I fly. I don't know if that help you as every PC situation is different just thought I'd share my experience.

 

Just installed a RTX 4080 yesterday and left things the same, except the undervolting, did the NZ update and it runs cooler and smooth too. So now I will carefully start ramping up my ingame settings to see what I can squeeze from the new card.

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Unfortunately, this was yet again another flight with crash after crash after crash to desktop. The first time it was while we were en route and passing over an airport - stuttering and then crash. The next time it was on final approach to our destination - again, stuttering and then a crash.

MSFS has the Windows2000 vibe. Totally grad when it came out, but a reinstall every quarter was still in order. Just with the difference that back then you could be somewhat certain the reinstall sorting the issue(s).

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, Props said:

Then I set a Max framerate in the NV CP to a lower fps of 72 (RTX 3080 and AMD 5800x), with a mix of medium and high settings ingame and started finishing most of my flights with the occasional CTD.

 

Thanks, I saw that solution as well about setting a lower frame rate in one discussion at the official forums. Might have to do that and see if it fixes the problem. I did some more test flying into different airports after I posted that message above and didn't have any more CTDs, so maybe the issue is cured, at least for the moment. ?

 

@ZachariasX, that's a perfect analogy. It looks and runs great when everything's behaving, but when it doesn't you want to throw the thing out the window. ?

[Props]

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Thanks, I saw that solution as well about setting a lower frame rate in one discussion at the official forums. Might have to do that and see if it fixes the problem. I did some more test flying into different airports after I posted that message above and didn't have any more CTDs, so maybe the issue is cured, at least for the moment. ?

 

@ZachariasX, that's a perfect analogy. It looks and runs great when everything's behaving, but when it doesn't you want to throw the thing out the window. ?

I hope it works out for you. There are so many different possibilities based on a person's PC specs, etc. it can be a real grind to get things smooth in MSFS. I could write a full dissertation on all the things I tried over the first 6 months I owned the sim and bore you to tears, and in the long run it may not help your particular problem at all! At least IL2 GB has always been easy on resources and I have never had issue with it. But I still love MSFS when it runs good!

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Props said:

I hope it works out for you. There are so many different possibilities based on a person's PC specs, etc. it can be a real grind to get things smooth in MSFS. I could write a full dissertation on all the things I tried over the first 6 months I owned the sim and bore you to tears, and in the long run it may not help your particular problem at all! At least IL2 GB has always been easy on resources and I have never had issue with it. But I still love MSFS when it runs good!

 

Thanks! Yes, every bit of advice I've received has been helpful in getting this fixed. I'm beginning to think that resetting my Nvidia settings to default for MSFS may have cured the issue. I've flown some various flights today into airports in separate regions of the world, and so far everything has been smooth with zero crashes. ?? The real test will be tonight when I resume the world tour, so we'll see! ? It really is an enjoyable experience when everything is running right. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by LukeFF

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

I'm still flying FSX (figuring out how the CDI works). If and when 2020 goes on a steam sale I may pick it up.

[Lusekofte]

16 minutes ago, [CPT]Pike*HarryM said:

I'm still flying FSX (figuring out how the CDI works). If and when 2020 goes on a steam sale I may pick it up.

I feel spoiled. I probably lost my true sim soul somewhere along the line. 
I own them all but hardly fly

[Gambit21]

9 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

MSFS has the Windows2000 vibe. Totally grad when it came out, but a reinstall every quarter was still in order. Just with the difference that back then you could be somewhat certain the reinstall sorting the issue(s).

 

Just more confirmation that I will never bother with this product. Sad really.

Good news is a global map is coming to DCS...that will be interesting.

 

 

...and don't get me wrong...I'd love to be able to fly MSFS. Just not in the cards for me unless my internet speeds up drastically.

 

 

[Mtnbiker1998]

37 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Just more confirmation that I will never bother with this product. Sad really.

Good news is a global map is coming to DCS...that will be interesting.

 

 

...and don't get me wrong...I'd love to be able to fly MSFS. Just not in the cards for me unless my internet speeds up drastically.

 

 

Very optimistic to think that DCS's global map will work any better

[Gambit21]

3 minutes ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Very optimistic to think that DCS's global map will work any better

No idea how it will be…hopeful. 
 

 

[Mtnbiker1998]

For that matter, I'll be surprised if we even see it released in the next decade

[Lusekofte]

9 minutes ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

For that matter, I'll be surprised if we even see it released in the next decade

Believing and hoping is the essence of continuing with DCS , in any flight sim really. 
Having hopes connected to realism is not hope. Believing is not science. Don’t be cruel, we all have different hopes. Realism and sanity have a tendency to kill hope

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

For that matter, I'll be surprised if we even see it released in the next decade

That’s OK - it more of a bonus than a necessity. I’ll have my F-4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DD_Arthur]

.....and now for something completely different;  evening approach and landing at an Indonesian airport - through a tropical storm.  The captain sets it up for an autoland but gets visual on the runway at 500'  and takes over.  I think the whole thing is fascinating but cut to just before the eight minute mark for the money shots.

 

 

 

 

[JG7_X-Man]

from Microsoft Flight Simulator 1.0 in 1982 to FS2020 - the staying power is strong! It just keeps coming back! The fidelity of the payware aircraft is amazing (PMDG comes to mind)! The many 3rd party add-ons are legendary in their own right!

 

You do need to know how to optimize your PC to enjoy the product for sure. If not, you crank up the graphics settings without knowing what you are doing and you will get a slide show - no matter how "high-end" of a PC you think you have.

[ZachariasX]

8 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Just more confirmation that I will never bother with this product. Sad really.

Good news is a global map is coming to DCS...that will be interesting.

 

...and don't get me wrong...I'd love to be able to fly MSFS. Just not in the cards for me unless my internet speeds up drastically.

Understandable indeed. And I agree that the global map for DCS is good news. Actually, I think in the end, it will put DCS on a whole new level.

[RedeyeStorm]

Well I fear that global map. MSFS looks great high in the sky but flying in VR and then flying low it is terrible because the 2D of the images really pops out. Like parked planes on airfields when the image was shot, or the cars on roads etc. In VR maps like DCS and GB are much better in my opinion.

[LukeFF]

Well, good news, no crashes and no restarts on this next leg! Hopefully those issues are finally in the past. So, off we went from Billund (EKBI) to Munich (EDDM).

 

As we flew this in real-time the sun was just coming up over the horizon as we began our preflight procedures:

 

 

After a lonnnng taxi to our runway we finally took off and got sight of the Lego House that was noted on the preflight map:

 

 

The first part of the journey was fairly benign - flat terrain and pretty good weather. As we flew south it was interesting to hear the names of places that were so well-known in the air war of WWII: Fassberg, Celle, Flensburg, etc. 

 

 

Passing over Hamburg:

 

 

As we cleared the Harz mountains we ran into some precipitation that iced over our plane, but eventually the skies cleared as we flew over Bavaria. Again, in the list of airports I saw names very familiar to myself from my time in the Army: Vilseck, Hohenfels, Schweinfurt, Nuremberg, etc. 

 

 

Landing at Munich mostly went alright except for two things: there was a discontinuity in the approach procedure that I didn't know about, so I had to scramble to re-input a valid ILS approach to 26L while trying to keep the plane from diving into the ground and managing my dwindling fuel supply, and secondly the ATC told me to taxi to a parking area that made no sense: the instructions were meant to get me to the GA parking area, but instead it had me go to one of the main commercial airline terminals instead.  (yep, another great example of how bizarro the ATC can be sometimes). Because of all that, I had to add a bit of extra fuel to finish things off. But hey, like I said, no CTDs this time! 

 

 

I'm still learning the ins and outs of how much fuel to carry on each flight, but one thing in particular I learned on this leg was that the larger the airport, the more taxi fuel you'll need. ? We'll get there!

[Bremspropeller]

8 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

.....and now for something completely different;  evening approach and landing at an Indonesian airport - through a tropical storm.

 

Reminds me about how I found out that tropical showers are *different* to our pesky little excuses for a shower in Central Europe.

Run 10m to the car? Youre soaked through to the bones...

 

7 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

As we cleared the Harz mountains we ran into some precipitation that iced over our plane, but eventually the skies cleared as we flew over Bavaria.

 

You must have passed by relatively closely then. We had pretty rough snow-showers out of a relatively thin ceiling yesterday.

Did you fly on live weather? Looks about right!

[LukeFF]

5 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

You must have passed by relatively closely then. We had pretty rough snow-showers out of a relatively thin ceiling yesterday.

Did you fly on live weather? Looks about right!

 

Yep, sure did!

[DD_fruitbat]

1 hour ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Reminds me about how I found out that tropical showers are *different* to our pesky little excuses for a shower in Central Europe.

Run 10m to the car? Youre soaked through to the bones...

 

 

Haha, ain't that the truth. Many years ago I was in Vietnam during the monsoon season, I had never known rain drops could be that size before!!!!

 

I don't know about 10m, I think 2m would be enough! 

[DD_Arthur]

7 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 I had never known rain drops could be that size before!!!!

 

Thailand has the best weather.  Sometimes it rains ping pong balls.....indoors 

[Gambit21]

7 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

Haha, ain't that the truth. Many years ago I was in Vietnam during the monsoon season, I had never known rain drops could be that size before!!!!

 

I don't know about 10m, I think 2m would be enough! 

Go to Georgia in the U.S.

We’re known for rain here in the PNW but nothing like what I experienced there (for a few minutes at a time) Raindrops seemed like they were the size of grapes.

 

I walked from the house to the patio to close a table umbrella (4 meters one way) and I may as well if jumped into a swimming pool.

 

 

 

[Ghost666]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Thailand has the best weather.  Sometimes it rains ping pong balls.....indoors 

Ping pong ball inside... I thought only Capt. Kangaroo had that problem.

Here in the mid-west the weather is very nice then it's not.

Sometimes the rain comes down when it should snow, then it freezes half an inch thick over every thin.

Other times it rains in circles, some of the natives call that a twister. And when it does it can pick your house right up and drop it on some little old lady. That will make your toes cruel.

[Bremspropeller]

What's safe to say is there's no tropical rain at Anchorage.

[DD_Arthur]

Now this is the face of a man who's seen it rain ping pong balls indoors.....

 

[Bremspropeller]

This is fine...

[LukeFF]

Lots of news from Blackbird: https://msfsaddons.com/2023/02/26/blackbird-previews-impressive-aircraft-lineup-for-msfs-c-130-black-hawk-sr-71-huey-f-15-pa-30-and-more/

[Bremspropeller]

Of couse they're going for the 130J that everybody's already gonna get for DCS... ?

They'd better have gone for the 130H, showing CaptainScam that their lackluster BS approach ain't gonna fly.

 

The Pa-30 should be fun. Just got their C310R two days ago and it's very nice.You'll get about 175-180TAS and a second engine.

Hear that, Luke? A second engine! ?

[Props]

Bremspropeller, glad to see you've found the C310R! It is by far my favorite aircraft in MSFS right now and an awesome package from Blackbird. I've been spending the last couple weeks in my Vans RV-14, my second favorite, but it's time to go twin for a few weeks again. Happy trails!

[ZachariasX]

If it works, then the 7950X3D works:

 

[LukeFF]

8 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

The Pa-30 should be fun. Just got their C310R two days ago and it's very nice.You'll get about 175-180TAS and a second engine.

Hear that, Luke? A second engine! ?

 

7 hours ago, Props said:

Bremspropeller, glad to see you've found the C310R! It is by far my favorite aircraft in MSFS right now and an awesome package from Blackbird. I've been spending the last couple weeks in my Vans RV-14, my second favorite, but it's time to go twin for a few weeks again. Happy trails!

 

I've been reading over the description of the 310R at Blackbird's website, and I have to say I'm mighty impressed! ?? With seeing what a great job they did with the DHC-2, I think I'm going to have to pick this one up.

[Gambit21]

10 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Of couse they're going for the 130J that everybody's already gonna get for DCS... ?

 

Except the DCS guys will actually be able to execute drops etc.

 

Still should be fun…if somewhat neutered fun. 
 

 

 

 

[CUJO_1970]

16 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Just got their C310R two days ago and it's very nice.

 

What took you so long ? The 310 is superb. You should recognize the first screen:

 

 

 

 

As good as the 310 is, the 414 is really even better:

 

 

 

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

5 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

What took you so long ? The 310 is superb. You should recognize the first screen:

 

I already had it for Xplane. Took me a couple of months to realize I probably will uninstall XP and not go back.

Cedar Key. Memories. ?

 

5 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

As good as the 310 is, the 414 is really even better:

 

I was toying the idea of getting the 414, but I'll probably pass that one and go straight for the SimWorks PC-12.

https://fselite.net/content/simworks-studios-update-kodiak-pc-12-progress/

[Lusekofte]

I cannot get the grip of why they insist on making choppers when the game engine isn’t ready for choppers. It is utter crap and hopeless to assign hot as for. 
Even the most expensive and developed chopper is a drone

[Robli]

Have you tried helicopters with assists off? 

I also tried out the helicopters and was really disappointed in their flight models, but later read that MSFS helicopters have by default all kinds of assists activated, so getting rid of these should make them a lot more realistic. I have not given them another try myself yet, though.

[JimTM]

Also, there is a mod that improves the default B407 helicopter a lot. Look for “Bell 407 improvement mod” on flightsim.to.

[Lusekofte]

5 hours ago, Robli said:

Have you tried helicopters with assists off? 

I also tried out the helicopters and was really disappointed in their flight models, but later read that MSFS helicopters have by default all kinds of assists activated, so getting rid of these should make them a lot more realistic. I have not given them another try myself yet, though.

I have assist off. But compared to DCS this is ?. Also throttle on collective do not work and thousands of different settings for every single chopper. 
But to me chopper is a mission based tool. Just flying it your better off with something faster. So I guess when it all settle, because they are working on it. I still would prefer DCS

Edited February 28, 2023 by Wardog5711
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