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Hello everybody,

 

1) We need help to find the weather conditions for the each day from September 17, 1944 till April 1, 1945 for the Netherlands, Belgium and northwest Germany.

 

2) We've data about all Gruppen we need but we've no time to find the info about organizational structure of the Luftwaffe command for the Western front from September 1944 to April 1945. It's necessary to find the numbers of all Luftflotte, special Luftwaffenkommando, etc. This information will be placed on a career map, for example:


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We've data about all Gruppen we need but we've no time to find the info about organizational structure of the Luftwaffe command for the Western front from September 1944 to April 1945. It's necessary to find the numbers of all Luftflotte, special Luftwaffenkommando, etc. This information will be placed on a career map, for example:

 

The major command at the start of the game's timefame, west of the German border, was Luftflotte 3. This was renamed Luftwaffenkommando West on 26 September 1944. It controlled the Luftwaffe forces in Northern France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Vichy France. More info here:

Beneath them was II. Jagdkorps. It disbanded on 26 January 1945 and split up into 14th Flieger Division (providing support for Army Group H in Holland / Lower Rhine) and 15th Flieger Division (supporting Army Group B in the Middle Rhine area).

 

http://ww2.dk/air/hq/iijk.htm

 

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From the German border eastwards, the major command was Luftflotte Reich. Beneath them was the I. Jagdkorps, which became IX. (J) Fliegerkorps on 26 January 1945. http://ww2.dk/air/hq/ijk.htm

 

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8 hours ago, BlackSix said:

We need help to find the weather conditions for the each day from September 17, 1944 till April 1, 1945 for the Netherlands, Belgium and northwest Germany.

 

This may help - it has daily weather info for Paris, for instance:

 

https://www.kaggle.com/smid80/weatherww2 (for instance, I can filter the info to show weather data for Weather Station 34022 (Paris) in the lefthand column.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access/land-based-station-data/land-based-datasets/world-war-ii-era-data

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Daily weather reports available to view or download at   https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/SO_ae3b7135-c2f9-4701-9576-a7d8c3eceb84/  You get 1 month's reports per file.

 

While the detail is for the UK, they include pressure chart for the whole of NW Europe and charts of weather (especially fronts) in whole of N. Hemisphere (example from page 11).   If you are familiar with met charts you can see cloud cover and wind strength and direction.

 

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Daily weather reports available to view or download at   https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/SO_ae3b7135-c2f9-4701-9576-a7d8c3eceb84/  You get 1 month's reports per file.

 

While the detail is for the UK, they include pressure chart for the whole of NW Europe and charts of weather (especially fronts) in whole of N. Hemisphere (example from page 11).   If you are familiar with met charts you can see cloud cover and wind strength and direction.

 

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Check PMs BlackSix. I have the relevant weather maps, like this one above, available for you to download.

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Hi,

thank you guys for the information, I didn't expect everything to be found so quickly)

We'll begin to add the weather conditions in the career this September and if there are any questions I'll return to this topic.

 

@LukeFF - thanks for the info about Luftwaffe, I've some other questions about RAF and USAAF and I'll write you soon.

 

Thanks again!

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Hello everyone, I've another two questions about the weather in the Netherlands and Germany in 1944-45.
1) When did the permanent snow cover appear at the end of 1944?
2) When did the snow melt at the beginning of 1945?

In a career, these two dates will mean switching to winter and spring maps, respectively.
Information about the first snowfall should be in the books about the Ardennes operation (Battle of the Bulge), but I've no any opportunity to study them right now.
As for the spring of 1945, the snow probably melted in early February, when the temperature was set above zero degrees

https://weerstatistieken.nl/de-bilt/1945/februari

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From december 22, the USAAF could be active again, so from 22 december everything was snowy.

And when the Ludendorff Bridge was occupied on 17 March, there is no snow on the pictures

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Bearing in mind that the snow cover was probably evident at different dates across the map due to altitude differences, this website https://weather.us/observations/germany/snow-depth-daily-in/19441201-0600z.html appears to give snow depth for the German part of the map at least.

 

Edit: Using this it seems to have lasted for the whole of January on the eastern side of the Bodenplatte map.

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13 hours ago, BlackSix said:

Hello everyone, I've another two questions about the weather in the Netherlands and Germany in 1944-45.
1) When did the permanent snow cover appear at the end of 1944?
2) When did the snow melt at the beginning of 1945?

In a career, these two dates will mean switching to winter and spring maps, respectively.
Information about the first snowfall should be in the books about the Ardennes operation (Battle of the Bulge), but I've no any opportunity to study them right now.
As for the spring of 1945, the snow probably melted in early February, when the temperature was set above zero degrees

https://weerstatistieken.nl/de-bilt/1945/februari

 

You may want to have a look at this document, starting on page 10:

 

Weather Effects During the Battle of the Bulge and the Normandy Invasion

 

EDIT: on page 13 it says:

 

By the 22d, competing weather systems from Russia and the Atlantic had brought on a hodgepodge of snow, blizzards, fog, and rain. In the north, the Sixth Panzer Army was bogged down by rain and mud. In the south, the Fifth Panzer Army was hampered in its swing around Bastogne by fog and snow. Along the German supply roads beyond the Eifel, the snow fell continuously.

 

So, I think the 22nd of December is a good date to start the winter map.

 

There is also a very handy summary of weather conditions in Table 1, starting on page 19! (ACTUAL WEATHER CONDITIONS FOR TACTICAL AIR FORCE BASES AND NORTHERN BATTLE AREAS).

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Thank you very much!

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On 9/9/2019 at 4:13 PM, BlackSix said:

Thank you very much!

 

Are the weather patterns used for the career missions somehow extractable from the game? I am doing research for Market Garden campaign and trying to collect weather data, ideally to directly be used in the Il-2 mission editor. Thanks!  

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21 hours ago, ACG_Mephisto said:

Are the weather patterns used for the career missions somehow extractable from the game? I am doing research for Market Garden campaign and trying to collect weather data, ideally to directly be used in the Il-2 mission editor. Thanks!  

What exact dates do you need weather data for?

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What exact dates do you need weather data for?

17.09.1944 - 30.09.1944, basically covering Market Garden plus the aftermath, e.g. Operation Gatwick. Main area of operation roughly Lommel -> Arnhem. Thank you! 

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Ok, here is info from the career:

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[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.17","1944.09.17"
    WType=1
    WindPov=3
    WindDir=2
    CloudLevel=2450
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=12
    Pressure=771
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.18","1944.09.18"
    WType=3
    WindPov=5
    WindDir=52
    CloudLevel=1510
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=1
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=15
    Pressure=769
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.19","1944.09.19"
    WType=4
    WindPov=4
    WindDir=80
    CloudLevel=1270
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=15
    Pressure=765
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.20","1944.09.20"
    WType=4
    WindPov=3
    WindDir=221
    CloudLevel=1150
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=13
    Pressure=762
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.21","1944.09.21"
    WType=4
    WindPov=3
    WindDir=197
    CloudLevel=1390
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=14
    Pressure=765
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.22","1944.09.22"
    WType=4
    WindPov=2
    WindDir=164
    CloudLevel=1250
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=14
    Pressure=760
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.23","1944.09.23"
    WType=3
    WindPov=4
    WindDir=246
    CloudLevel=1620
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=13
    Pressure=758
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions
    period="1944.09.24","1944.09.24"
    WType=4
    WindPov=6
    WindDir=180
    CloudLevel=910
    PrecLevel=3
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=10
    Pressure=753
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.25","1944.09.25"
    WType=3
    WindPov=5
    WindDir=271
    CloudLevel=1640
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=11
    Pressure=759
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.26","1944.09.26"
    WType=2
    WindPov=7
    WindDir=276
    CloudLevel=2920
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=1
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=13
    Pressure=759
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.27","1944.09.27"
    WType=3
    WindPov=5
    WindDir=263
    CloudLevel=2750
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=10
    Pressure=758
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.28","1944.09.28"
    WType=2
    WindPov=4
    WindDir=277
    CloudLevel=2120
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=10
    Pressure=765
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.29","1944.09.29"
    WType=3
    WindPov=7
    WindDir=211
    CloudLevel=1650
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=1
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=12
    Pressure=765
    SeaState = 1
[end]

[Conditions]
    period="1944.09.30","1944.09.30"
    WType=3
    WindPov=4
    WindDir=269
    CloudLevel=2210
    PrecLevel=0
    PrecType=0
    Turbulence=0
    TempPressLevel=0
    Temperature=12
    Pressure=763
    SeaState = 1
[end]

 

 

WType = x // type of weather (cloudy as in the editor): = 0 - clear sky; = 1 - light cloudiness; = 2 - average cloudiness; = 3 strong clouds; = 4 overcast

WindPov = x // wind force in meters per second

WindDir = x // wind direction

PrecLevel = x // precipitation level (intensity)

PrecType = x // precipitation type = 0 - rain, = 1 - snow

 

Of course, the weather can change during the day and you can correct some data if it is more convenient for you for a specific mission.

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23 hours ago, BlackSix said:

Ok, here is info from the career:

 

Many thanks! Very much appreciated. 

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