Best place to fly BodP planes?

[deaddonkey]

Hi. 

Long time on-and-off casual who has recently found my footing with IL-2 and become stuck into it hardcore. I mostly fly WoL. I have BP, and I've heard Combat Box and KOA have a 262 map each, though anytime i've gone onto them to check, it doesn't appear to be what's being played. Seen a lot of people here discussing the effectiveness and deadliness (or lack thereof) of the 262 (and other BP planes) in multiplayer scenarios on these forums, so I'm curious to know where and when - what server and what hours - you guys think is ideal for experiencing the 262 in multiplayer. 

 

Cheers,

deaddonkey

Edited July 21, 2019 by deaddonkey

[BubiHUN]

Hi, welcome back!
On KOTA we run late war scenarios where all of the BoBP planes are available, and some early ones too. Also, when the next allied plane will be available, we will change our rotation to have more late war maps, so players can enjoy their "toys" and we have a map where playable tanks are available, with all the modifications unlocked.
Our peek times are from about 16:00 CET to about 03:00-04:00 CET. Also, outside of our peek time, you can find some days when there are 5+ players - sometimes 15+ to fly with. 

Edited July 21, 2019 by -[HRAF]BubiHUN

[Talon_]

Combat Box is exclusively BoBp planesets with a few odds and ends added for those who don't own it yet. Me262s there (when on the mission) have certain objectives that need to be protected to keep them available, so it may be that when you joined the supply train that spawns them had been destroyed meaning you would have to wait for the next one.

[Herne]

1 hour ago, Talon_ said:

Combat Box is exclusively BoBp planesets with a few odds and ends added for those who don't own it yet. Me262s there (when on the mission) have certain objectives that need to be protected to keep them available, so it may be that when you joined the supply train that spawns them had been destroyed meaning you would have to wait for the next one.

 

262's are not available straight away, when mission starts though ? I am struggling to find a server where it is reliably available for me to try should I want to. Berloga air starts are not really scratching the itch

[CountZero]

Berloga

[Lusekofte]

A good sign of ME 262 is modeled well is when the PE 2 is flying faster than me. 

I have only flown it in qmb and it bleed speed like a lego plane flying it like I do

but still I got 3 PE 2 and ammo to spare 

not one gunner hit me and I stalled the engines 

so a part of your question is 

yes it is deadly and yes if your not thinking ? 

it flyes like a pig. 

I seen it on KOTA every second map or so

Edited July 21, 2019 by LuseKofte

[MasserME262]

50 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

I have only flown it in qmb and it bleed speed like a lego plane flying it like I do

Mother of god...

I would love to see that lol

[BlitzPig_EL]

A couple nights ago I had been doing some single missions and decided to see what the dogfight lobby looked like.
Joined the Official IL2 EURO "Normal" (easy settings) server, loaded up an A20B and set out across the snow... Bombed some buildings and a car in one of the out of the way designated target areas, and was running home on the deck at 295mph IAS. Brought up the big map to check my heading and saw an enemy icon on the map closing on my long 4:00, rather quickly. I went to external and saw it was a 262.

Then I remembered flying them with BlitzPig_WingN on my test server when they first came out, and a wry smile came to my face. I kept flying straight and level, but went to emergency power and full rich and got her just above 300mph IAS. I waited as he closed, and as soon as my rear gunner started yelling I yanked the stick back and did a roll to the right and cut inside him as all his rounds harmlessly flew by me, as he soon did. I immediately put the nose back down and got low so he could not come up from underneath, because trees and stuff. We repeated this two or three times, and each time my turn was simply too tight for him to follow at his very high closing speed. Hilarious. He then tried a head on pass, but I sent a few very speculative rounds of .50 BMG from my forward guns his way and he broke before he fired.

At this point a clipped wing Spit XI showed up and the 262 buggerd off...

 

Point is, fly your bomber like a bomber and you will be food on the table to a 262, but be aggressive in your defense and you can survive.
 

Edited July 21, 2019 by BlitzPig_EL

[Lusekofte]

39 minutes ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Mother of god...

I would love to see that lol

 

I think I have a gift. I even stalled the engine

they stopped. 

I was pleasantly surprised it could not be abused in every way.

I like it. And one day I be flying it online 

[Talon_]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Point is, fly your bomber like a bomber and you will be food on the table to a 262, but be aggressive in your defense and you can survive.

 

The A-20 can out-turn 109s, it's not a great comparison to flying a Peshka against a 262.

[Blackhawk_FR]

4 hours ago, Talon_ said:

The A-20 can out-turn 109s

 Certainly not in a sustained turn or against a guy that know the 109.

 

4 hours ago, Talon_ said:

it's not a great comparison to flying a Peshka against a 262.

I don't get the point between "A20 can out turn 109" (which is not true) and flying a Pe2 against a 262.

[Talon_]

13 minutes ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

 Certainly not in a sustained turn or against a guy that know the 109.

 

 

 

[Blackhawk_FR]

49 minutes ago, Talon_ said:

 

 

 

1 hour ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

Certainly not in a sustained turn or against a guy that know the 109.

 

So, again: 

1. You started behind him and damaged him before he start to fight back. 

2. There is no sustained turn.

3. It's not a surprise that A20 has good dogfighting qualities. 

4. That still doesn't make it a pure fighter. In a 1vs1 situation with same energy state (and pilot's experiences) against a 109, you will just take shots after shots until you crash down. 

 

Edit:

5. Me too I can post videos of me killing fighters with a Stuka and say « Stuka out-turn Yak ». There is a difference between the real turning capabilities of an aircraft and the complexity of a dogfight environment which could give the opportunity for an I16 to shoot down a 262. That doesn’t mean the I16 out run the 262...

Edited July 21, 2019 by F/JG300_Faucon

[Talon_]

16 minutes ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

2. There is no sustained turn.

 

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

4. That still doesn't make it a pure fighter. In a 1vs1 situation with same energy state (and pilot's experiences) against a 109, you will just take shots after shots until you crash down. 

 

 

You can outclimb 109s in an A-20 if you know how to use the engines

 

 

[Blackhawk_FR]

@Talon_ ........

 

6 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

5. Me too I can post videos of me killing fighters with a Stuka and say « Stuka out-turn Yak ». There is a difference between the real turning capabilities of an aircraft and the complexity of a dogfight environment which could give the opportunity for an I16 to shoot down a 262. That doesn’t mean the I16 out run the 262...

 

[Herne]

I thought the A20 would start to fall apart if it exceeded 4G ? and wasn''t it also restricted from rolling more than 70 degrees  ? probably to avoid exceeding those same limitations ?

 

Edited July 22, 2019 by ACG_Herne

[CIA_Yankee_]

If you're engaging in a low energy turning fight with an A20 while flying a 109, you're doing something wrong. You're a fighter going against a bomber, why ever fight at low energy? Also, that is not a sustained turn.

Edited July 22, 2019 by 71st_AH_Yankee_

[PatrickAWlson]

I  can imagine the crew members if it was ever flown like that in real life.  They would have to be taken out of the plane on stretchers.

[deaddonkey]

Thanks for the responses all, some great input and conversation here!

 

And Talon, you make the a20 look insanely good! I've mainly found a20s to be tanky and agile when flying against them, but always felt very in control as the fighter, and well able to continuously bounce them - never did I imagine them outturning and "outclimbing" 109s. While they make a compelling case, in fairness, I would say we don't have the full context for those clips, nor do we know the relative skill or energy levels of each pilot. I can imagine lots of planes with inferior fighting capabilities making similar kills in certain situations. You appeared to start the turnfight with an energy and negative-G advantage, for example, in which case I think an IL2 could achieve similar results, though that does not make it a good dedicated dogfighter.

 

On topic, while I like 1941/42 maps, I do think servers like WoL should add more BoP maps and planes into rotation sooner rather than later, although I understand concerns about "balance" or "pay2win" at this point in time.

Edited July 23, 2019 by deaddonkey

[PatrickAWlson]

And the best place to fly BoBP planes is ... PWCG  ... it's not just for single player anymore  

 

Trying my new career in advertising.  

[PikAss]

On ‎7‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 12:51 AM, F/JG300_Faucon said:

So, again: 

1. You started behind him and damaged him before he start to fight back. 

2. There is no sustained turn.

3. It's not a surprise that A20 has good dogfighting qualities. 

4. That still doesn't make it a pure fighter. In a 1vs1 situation with same energy state (and pilot's experiences) against a 109, you will just take shots after shots until you crash down. 

 

A20 does turn better, especially with Flapsfapfapfapfap.

[Gambit21]

On 7/21/2019 at 7:49 AM, BlitzPig_EL said:

A couple nights ago I had been doing some single missions and decided to see what the dogfight lobby looked like.
Joined the Official IL2 EURO "Normal" (easy settings) server, loaded up an A20B and set out across the snow... Bombed some buildings and a car in one of the out of the way designated target areas, and was running home on the deck at 295mph IAS. Brought up the big map to check my heading and saw an enemy icon on the map closing on my long 4:00, rather quickly. I went to external and saw it was a 262.

Then I remembered flying them with BlitzPig_WingN on my test server when they first came out, and a wry smile came to my face. I kept flying straight and level, but went to emergency power and full rich and got her just above 300mph IAS. I waited as he closed, and as soon as my rear gunner started yelling I yanked the stick back and did a roll to the right and cut inside him as all his rounds harmlessly flew by me, as he soon did. I immediately put the nose back down and got low so he could not come up from underneath, because trees and stuff. We repeated this two or three times, and each time my turn was simply too tight for him to follow at his very high closing speed. Hilarious. 

 

 

Yep

262’s are not a threat unless they surprise you.