Feathered_IV Posted August 16, 2019 Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said: Not to me. That's why I voted "Other". Which scenario were you thinking of? From Darwin to Tokyo Bay, there certainly is a lot to choose from.
CountZero Posted August 16, 2019 Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) I bet hes Burma type of guy ? to get hyped for early pacfic dlc coming sone, F4F: Edited August 16, 2019 by 77.CountZero 1
=27=Davesteu Posted August 16, 2019 Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said: to get hyped for early pacfic dlc coming sone, F4F: Yeah, can't wait to get hyped for the most one-dimensional planeset possible in the Asiatic-Pacific Theatre. That said, I believe it's going to be Midway. Not a good choice in my opinion (goes for all carrier battles), but that's just my opinion. Lots of people are seduced by carrier operations for as long as they are talking and not playing - used to be just like that in Pacific Fighters. 1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said: I bet hes Burma type of guy One of many interesting and long lasting campaigns. Would fit this game and the campaign system way better than any carrier engagement. Too bad most people are ignorant of it - after all, the Asiatic-Pacific Theatre is limited to F4F, F6F, F4U, A6M, Carriers, Pearl Harbour, Island Hopping, Kamikaze, A-Bombs.
CountZero Posted August 16, 2019 Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) going to PTO for first time without navy airplanes is like doing korea without sabers vs migs its posible but why bather . Other stuf can come in 2nd or 3rd dlc, but first one has to scream PTO ? Edited August 16, 2019 by 77.CountZero 2
Gambit21 Posted August 16, 2019 Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said: going to PTO for first time without navy airplanes is like doing korea without sabers vs migs its posible but why bather . Other stuf can come in 2nd or 3rd dlc, but first one has to scream PTO ? Good analogy.
Gambit21 Posted August 19, 2019 Posted August 19, 2019 On August 16, 2019 at 4:27 AM, 77.CountZero said: ...hyped for early pacfic dlc coming sone, F4F That's because you're smart.
[CPT]milopugdog Posted August 19, 2019 Posted August 19, 2019 I'm going to scream if there isn't a PBY isn't included somewhere in this game. 2
Lusekofte Posted August 19, 2019 Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, [CPT]milopugdog said: I'm going to scream if there isn't a PBY isn't included somewhere in this game. By this point any seaplane would do. PBY is waaaay up there Edited August 19, 2019 by LuseKofte
=gRiJ=Roman- Posted August 19, 2019 Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) If the Devs want to kick some ass to the competitors in the flying sim business, the PTO is definitely the way to go IMHO, of course. Now that the new Midway movie is coming, it would be a perfect announcement. It would revive the interest of the public a.new players will come to the sim. Edited August 20, 2019 by 15[Span.]/JG51Spartan
[CPT]milopugdog Posted August 19, 2019 Posted August 19, 2019 8 hours ago, LuseKofte said: By this point any seaplane would do. PBY is waaaay up there Not for me, I'm completely infatuated with the thing. Give me PBY or give me death!
Poochnboo Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 12 hours ago, 15[Span.]/JG51Spartan said: Now that the new Midway movie os coming, it would be a perfect announcement. I can already hear it! "I hope the game is going to be better than that f*&^%$#g movie was!" 1
Gambit21 Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 13 hours ago, LuseKofte said: By this point any seaplane would do. PBY is waaaay up there I think maritime patrol is probably one of the things I look forward to the most...whatever the sea/float plane. My dream is the Emily, but I know that's not happening.
Viktor33_33 Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 Only the guadalcanal can open the pacific 3
Enceladus828 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Posted August 26, 2019 Some people may not like this idea, but I feel that the Battle of Guadalcanal should be done first and Midway after. Primarily there are more ground/sea targets, land masses and a major airfield for Guadalcanal. At Midway (and if the Wake Island and Possibly Aleutian islands, and less likely Oahu are decided to be included as well) there would mainly be ships as targets and very few ground targets at Kure and Midway Atoll, and Wake island, etc. if included. Many of the aircraft that fought in Midway also fought at Guadalcanal, save for mainly the TBD Devastator. Speaking of the Devastator, I feel that it should be an AI plane because only 6 out of 41 made it back and following Midway were mostly withdrawn from service. TFS has stated that they have no plans to make the Defiant and Do-17 flyable in CloD because it would be too much work to model the cockpit/gunner position(s) and then people would rarely fly them as both aircraft were obsolete by the time of the Battle of Britain. Getting back on topic, IMHO, the Battle of Guadalcanal should come first and then Midway as IMO, people would have more a lot more fun with Guadalcanal than Midway. Perhaps as a compromise both Guadalcanal and Midway could be included in the same battle, but I don't see that happening.
Gambit21 Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said: Some people may not like this idea, but I feel that the Battle of Guadalcanal should be done first and Midway after. Well since the plane set hugely overlaps, and because the Midway map is simple/quick - they could in theory happen at the same time.
Semor76 Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Well, whatever the dev´s may choose for the next theater. I still hope that the path will goes with this plane. Like it was in the old ´46 days. I still miss this times so much. カイトの道 .... Kaito no michi Edited August 26, 2019 by Semor76 1 2
Gambit21 Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 You know I never felt as comfortable in the late war Japanese planes. I felt like I was on too much of an even keel as the Hellcats etc. I missed the "let me suck you down into a knife fight that you can't win" aspect. Give me the Zeke against anything. 1 1
200th_Taro Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) On 8/27/2019 at 1:26 AM, Semor76 said: Well, whatever the dev´s may choose for the next theater. I still hope that the path will goes with this plane. Like it was in the old ´46 days. I still miss this times so much. カイトの道 .... Kaito no michi Hi. If you miss this times you can always join Pacific DF server runing on old il-2 1946 with HSFX 7.03 modpack, named Aces over Pacific. IP adress is: 213.175.54.204:21030 Here is my screenshot from today from one of the IJAAF airbase on this server. Skin download is ON there and server have historical skins on static planes Cheers! Edited August 27, 2019 by 200th_Taro
Gambit21 Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 I miss it, but I can't go back to 46 graphics and flight model etc...I just can't.
Poochnboo Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, Gambit21 said: I miss it, but I can't go back to 46 graphics and flight model etc...I just can't. Me niether. I hate to admit it, because it sounds shallow, like not wanting to date a girl who's really nice, but just isn't very good looking. But I can't go back to that! The one I'm with is beautiful, and as if she wasn't good enough already, in about a month she's getting a boob job! I'm sticking with 'er! (Okay, enough dating analogies!). 1
Gambit21 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Poochnboo said: Me niether. I hate to admit it, because it sounds shallow, like not wanting to date a girl who's really nice, but just isn't very good looking. But I can't go back to that! The one I'm with is beautiful, and as if she wasn't good enough already, in about a month she's getting a boob job! I'm sticking with 'er! (Okay, enough dating analogies!). lol - yep. Only our babe's "boob job" is going to take a bit longer than a month.
Gambit21 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 @Alexmarine28 I'm confused about your confusion.
Feathered_IV Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Gambit21 said: @Alexmarine28 I'm confused about your confusion. He does it all the time. I think it's constipation. 1
Feathered_IV Posted August 29, 2019 Posted August 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Stoopy said: Midway and Solomon Islands were faves! Rabaul was my favourite. 3 1
Legioneod Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 5:44 PM, Novice-Flyer said: Speaking of the Devastator, I feel that it should be an AI plane because only 6 out of 41 made it back and following Midway were mostly withdrawn from service. I have to disagree with this, the Devastator is one of the main reasons I want to go to the Pacific. To not make it flyable just because only a few made it back is a mistake and really not justifiable imo. It was the main torpedo bomber present at midway and should be included as a flyable aircraft. Another thing to consider is the Devastator will be needed for a possible coral sea expansion/scenario. 1 3
Cybermat47 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 8:44 AM, Novice-Flyer said: Speaking of the Devastator, I feel that it should be an AI plane because only 6 out of 41 made it back and following Midway were mostly withdrawn from service. Not including the Devastator as a flyable aircraft would be a big mistake. There were 44 Devastators at the battle, and only 6 Avengers. Those were the only carrier-based US torpedo aircraft in the battle. As the Devastator was the most numerous, it simply makes the most sense to have it as the flyable USN torpedo bomber. 1
cardboard_killer Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 On 7/28/2019 at 11:02 PM, Gambit21 said: I've said it many times, and before it's all over I'm sure I'll say it many more, but the book "Guadalcanal" by Richard B. Frank really is a must read. I know I'm way late on this, but big thumbs up for Frank's book. It is the best operational history of a battle I've ever read, with detail from both sides, and with the land/sea/air component beautifully blended so that each service's operations is related to what the other services were doing and how they fit in the entirety of the battle; as well as how the battle fit into each side's grand strategy. It is a remarkable book. Today is the anniversary of Battle of Edson's Ridge. Statistic for the day: three US sailors died in the waters around Guadalcanal for every US marine that died on Guadalcanal. 1
Gambit21 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, cardboard_killer said: I know I'm way late on this, but big thumbs up for Frank's book. It is the best operational history of a battle I've ever read, with detail from both sides, and with the land/sea/air component beautifully blended so that each service's operations is related to what the other services were doing and how they fit in the entirety of the battle; as well as how the battle fit into each side's grand strategy. It is a remarkable book. Today is the anniversary of Battle of Edson's Ridge. Statistic for the day: three US sailors died in the waters around Guadalcanal for every US marine that died on Guadalcanal. I'm going to read it again soon, along with Shattered Sword for the 2nd time.
Sokol1 Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 On 9/12/2019 at 10:55 PM, [Pb]Cybermat47 said: As the Devastator was the most numerous, it simply makes the most sense to have it as the flyable USN torpedo bomber. At least for don't start like IL-2:Pacific Fighters, a pacific war game without torpedo bomber, in both sides. 2
Lusekofte Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 How happy I was when I finally could fly devastator in IL 2. I died happy multiple times
Enceladus828 Posted September 15, 2019 Author Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/12/2019 at 5:38 PM, Legioneod said: I have to disagree with this, the Devastator is one of the main reasons I want to go to the Pacific. To not make it flyable just because only a few made it back is a mistake and really not justifiable imo. It was the main torpedo bomber present at midway and should be included as a flyable aircraft. Another thing to consider is the Devastator will be needed for a possible coral sea expansion/scenario. Yes. The Devastator was the main torpedo bomber at Midway and Coral Sea. Percentage wise more Devastators made it back than Avengers: 5 out of 6. Even though the Avenger suffered heavy losses at Midway, it continued throughout the remainder of the war, while the Devastator was mainly retired after Midway. I don't think it's worth the resources for the devs to make the Devastator flyable when it operated in only one battle pack, while other aircraft in the game saw service in other areas. Some people may fly it a few times and then only fly the Avenger. I think a Battle of Midway could do a 5v5 for planes without a flyable TBD Devastator. See below: American: Japan: F4F-3 Wildcat A6M2 Zero F4F-4 D3A1 Val SBD Dauntless B5N2 Kate TBF Avenger E13A Jake Collector Collector PBY Catalina G4M Betty TBD Devastator (AI) Re. Coral Sea: I believe an IL-2 Battle of Midway would likely cover the Wake Island, Coral Sea, and then Midway. The decision to make the TBD Devastator a flyable aircraft for Midway will come from the devs.
Legioneod Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 44 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said: Yes. The Devastator was the main torpedo bomber at Midway and Coral Sea. Percentage wise more Devastators made it back than Avengers: 5 out of 6. Even though the Avenger suffered heavy losses at Midway, it continued throughout the remainder of the war, while the Devastator was mainly retired after Midway. I don't think it's worth the resources for the devs to make the Devastator flyable when it operated in only one battle pack, while other aircraft in the game saw service in other areas. Some people may fly it a few times and then only fly the Avenger. I think a Battle of Midway could do a 5v5 for planes without a flyable TBD Devastator. See below: American: Japan: F4F-3 Wildcat A6M2 Zero F4F-4 D3A1 Val SBD Dauntless B5N2 Kate TBF Avenger E13A Jake Collector Collector PBY Catalina G4M Betty TBD Devastator (AI) Re. Coral Sea: I believe an IL-2 Battle of Midway would likely cover the Wake Island, Coral Sea, and then Midway. The decision to make the TBD Devastator a flyable aircraft for Midway will come from the devs. The Avenger does not belong in a Midway pack imo. The Devastator put in the work until the Avenger came along in numbers. I agree with the list for the most part except for the Devestator AI and two wildcats. Replace the F4f-3 with a Buffalo and replace the Avenger with a Devastator. American: Japan: F2A-3 A6M2 Zero F4F-4 D3A1 Val SBD Dauntless B5N2 Kate TBD Devastator E13A Jake Collector Collector PBY Catalina G4M Betty 1
Poochnboo Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 Well, of course a Devastator would have to be part of any Midway game. Not putting it in because it can't be used in any other module? That's rediculous and I doubt that the devs think that way. The Buffalo should be there, too. Not two Wildcat variants. I don't agree with the Betty. No G4M's took part. The engagement was no where near any land based Japanese bombers. An Emily would make more sense if the U.S. gets a Cat. 1
=27=Davesteu Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 As already stated earlier in this thread: A6M2 Model 21, D3A1 Model 11, B5N2 Model 3, F2A-3, F4F-4, TBD-1, SBD-3 - there is no way of doing Midway without them. The eighth aircraft should be the SB2U-3, representing the Midway-based attack aircraft. Collector planes (B-26 & F4F-3) are nice, but optional. If the Developers are set on doing Midway (I hope not), they should focus on the ships rather than aircraft. Any additional Japanese aircraft would be a waste of resources. Seaplanes are highly interesting aircraft, but serve no purpose in-game.
Gambit21 Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, =27=Davesteu said: Seaplanes are highly interesting aircraft, but serve no purpose in-game. First part true - second part untrue. Leave such things for the mission Devs and mission designers. 1
=27=Davesteu Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Gambit21 said: Leave such things for the mission Devs and mission designers. I can't think of a single historical mission during the Battle of Midway worth adding a PBY, E13A or F1M instead of a SB2U, B-26 or F4F-3. Spending hours in a PBY hoping to spot a ship and turn back - entertaining. There are too many important features missing anyway. The PBY is just a worse B-26, the E13A a worse B5N, and the F1M a worse D3A in terms of this (and any other) combat flight simulator. The extremely limited number of historical missions - just one of the many reasons I'm not a fan of the Midway scenario.
Gambit21 Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 Ahh...well if you’re only considering a Midway map. I’m looking beyond that at other scenarios, including “what if’s” and other maps. This just requires some creativity. 1
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