Is the fw190 a8 considered bad ?

[Gamington]

Hello I play on and off. So anyways my question is do you guys think the a8 is bad ? Like will it be used in mp and im assuming if it is ita mostly for killing bombers and ground targets ? I have been testing out which plane for the axis side im gonna want to use and I keep coming back to this one for bodenplatte. I actually prefer it over the dora ( i suck so bad with the rockets) im mostly interested in killing bombers and ground stuff anyways but it ia occassionaly fun to take out a fighter. So I guess my question is should I try to take fighters with it if need be or run. Thanks. Edit: i love the guns and how it handles compared to the dora which seems to flightly at full power.

Edited June 26, 2019 by Gamington

[TheOldCrow]

Definitely watch I-Fly-Central on YouTube. It's his primary flyout right now it seems and he dominates people with it. It seems to be a good ground attacker and one of the best planes to bounce someone in.

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

Just fly what you find fun to fly, it's as simple as that. If you take MP too seriously you will end up like a few people here who get their panties in a twist when anything bad happens to them.

[Gamington]

So its not a bad choice and I love central his videos basicaly taught me how to fly amongst other things been following him since his rof days which i started playing about 5 years ago. Ive just been on an airplane haitus as I like other games came back to try out the jet I bought and started experimenting for when i finally get a stable internet connection again. Basically I love the A8 and really want to use it as my main axis plane but im curious about what I should be usonh it for.

Edited June 26, 2019 by Gamington

[Stoopy]

It's only considered bad when you don't fly a plane to its strengths.   Fantastic aircraft if you don't try using it as a knife-fighter.

 

 

[Gamington]

See I always end up getting into turn fights because im stuck playing the Ai which just turns and turns all day long. Which im getting pretty good at turn fighting with it but i know in mp the other players wont be psychics that know im coming from 2 miles away. I know its a bnz its just hard to practice that when all the ai does is spin over the place Maybee I should just stop trying to turnfight against the ai is the real problem. 

[PatrickAWlson]

I think the A8 lost something in fighter-fighter capability relative to the competition.  The earlier 190s were easily as good and usually flat out better than the competition when flown to their strengths.  The A8 gained power and weight and armament over time as it was modified for multi-role with an emphasis on bomber killing.  By 1944 the A8 was really not as competitive fighter vs. fighter as its predecessors.  Having said that it didn't stink either, just a matter of degree.

[TheOldCrow]

3 minutes ago, Gamington said:

I know its a bnz its just hard to practice that when all the ai does is spin over the place

 

I actually learnt how to bnz in ww2 fighters by flying the spad in flying circus. You have to deal with energy retention alot more than with the very high powered 190's. Maybe a good thing to do is start a quick skirmish with only one plane on either side and fight in pursuit a few thousand feet above to get the feel of diving on an opponent

[Gamington]

Well I tend to like having all those heavy guns and taking down enemy planes with one or two quick bursts. And bomber hunting is mu favorite thing to do I guess ill just stick with the A8 all those things I like.

1 minute ago, TheOldCrow said:

 

I actually learnt how to bnz in ww2 fighters by flying the spad in flying circus. You have to deal with energy retention alot more than with the very high powered 190's. Maybe a good thing to do is start a quick skirmish with only one plane on either side and fight in pursuit a few thousand feet above to get the feel of diving on an opponent

Ya I can do it, what im saying is I have tunnel vision i get all excited when I see im behind an enemy and if i dont get a shot off quick I always fall for the turnfight bait.

[PatrickAWlson]

@Gamington The yoyo and other maneuvers that incorporate vertical elements are your friend.  The diving portion allows you to accelerate back to speeds the 190 is happy at.  The 190 has very good instantaneous turn, massive firepower and great high speed handling.  If I am attacking a maneuvering target in a 190 I like to use those capabilities to draw lead and then put up a wall of cannon shells.  Hopefully that cripples the target making him easy to finish later or at least put out of the fight.  Trying to follow a turning target in a 190 is trying to win using the  weakest aspect of the plane - sustained turn.  It's tough to win that way.

[Gamington]

Ya I used to have issues before stalling trying to turn it to tight but that was my fault for being to rough with the stick I love the A8 and how it handles now though I love the weight to it and the those guns so much better with the cannon than the doras rockets. one quick burst and a dead bomber. Im also liking the me262 just not used to it yet but i can finally turn it on and all that. I was just afraid id get yelled for trying to go for a fighter in mp or something with it. I noticed on wol the a5 isnt allowed to have some of the options like the bomb and was hoping this would not be the case for the a8. As I like divebombing also. Im rambling now I yry to do dive attacks mostly with it but im weak and take the bait lol.

Edited June 27, 2019 by Gamington

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, Gamington said:

Ya I used to have issues before stalling trying to turn it to tight but that was my fault for being to rough with the stick I love the A8 and how it handles now though I love the weight to it and the those guns so much better with the cannon than the doras rockets. one quick burst and a dead bomber. Im also liking the me262 just not used to it yet but i can finally turn it on and all that. I was just afraid id get yelled for trying to go for a fighter in mp or something with it. I noticed on wol the a5 isnt allowed to have some of the options like the bomb and was hoping this would not be the case for the a8. As I like divebombing also. Im rambling now I yry to do dive attacks mostly with it but im weak and take the bait lol.

 

A couple of general suggestions:

 

1) Care less about what everyone else thinks you should be flying. A million people out there with different opinions and at least a small percentage are going to share what they think you should be doing. When it comes to aircraft choices from available aircraft in a given scenario. You do you! (General life lesson :))

 

2) If you like flying the A-8 and its become your specialist aircraft, go with it, enjoy, have fun and get to know it better than other people. I guarantee even if it isn't "the best" you can typically learn your aircraft so well that you can get more out of it than the other guy can get out of his. I suffer a bit from being a generalist so I fly every plane but the few that I do still call myself a bit of a specialist in I can really make fly. If the FW190A-8 is your plane... awesome!

 

3) WOL is notorious for some of the most annoying weapon restrictions. A few things I understand but others I don't. WOL is good fun, don't get me wrong, but there are other servers out there to explore too. Combat Box is trying to be the go-to for Western Front scenarios so that may be the place to fly the A-8 a lot.

 

4) It sounds like you'll need to focus the next lessons of your combat pilot training more on the big tactics. When to attack and when not to. Watch YouTubers, observe their techniques, a lot of them wait before attacking, take your time. I fall prey to the same impatience and it usually gets me

Edited June 27, 2019 by ShamrockOneFive

[Velxra]

The A8 is my favorite 190 out of them all. It also has the most personalization options. Like who would be crazy enough not to take front side armored glass and dual 30mms in the wings.

[SCG_ErwinP]

Focke Wulf A8 is, as other says, a fantastic plane! Very fun to fly and armed with deadly cannons!

Spoiler

 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2019 by SCG_ErwinP

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

It's an aircraft you fly in a team (Rotte or Schwarm). It excels there.

[=621=Samikatz]

It isn't the best aircraft but it's perfectly capable of shooting other planes down. It's best not to worry about any "meta" and just pick what you enjoy, flying from the back foot will make you a better pilot, anyway

[Guest deleted@134347]

it can carry a 1,000kg bomb.  That's a helluva big boom from a fighter.

[Gamington]

22 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

A couple of general suggestions:

 

1) Care less about what everyone else thinks you should be flying. A million people out there with different opinions and at least a small percentage are going to share what they think you should be doing. When it comes to aircraft choices from available aircraft in a given scenario. You do you! (General life lesson :))

 

2) If you like flying the A-8 and its become your specialist aircraft, go with it, enjoy, have fun and get to know it better than other people. I guarantee even if it isn't "the best" you can typically learn your aircraft so well that you can get more out of it than the other guy can get out of his. I suffer a bit from being a generalist so I fly every plane but the few that I do still call myself a bit of a specialist in I can really make fly. If the FW190A-8 is your plane... awesome!

 

3) WOL is notorious for some of the most annoying weapon restrictions. A few things I understand but others I don't. WOL is good fun, don't get me wrong, but there are other servers out there to explore too. Combat Box is trying to be the go-to for Western Front scenarios so that may be the place to fly the A-8 a lot.

 

4) It sounds like you'll need to focus the next lessons of your combat pilot training more on the big tactics. When to attack and when not to. Watch YouTubers, observe their techniques, a lot of them wait before attacking, take your time. I fall prey to the same impatience and it usually gets me

Ya im gonna use it, I was just curious why people where bashing on it in a lot of earlier threads I saw over various points of time. And you are totally right about tactics I can fly and do like easier stuff but im no fighter ace. Im currently terrified of going up against spitfire 9s. So im forcing myself to have to deal with them more. And I like the full realism settings which is why i like to fly on wol but they seem to be the only server atm that does that the icons are cheap and I wanna jump people and get pounced on like real life so I dont normally play on the other servers. Which is why I brought that up. I think that they should let you use it if it was a legit option that was used in ww2 not act like something is a noobtube in call of duty and restrict it but it is there server.

[Willy__]

46 minutes ago, Gamington said:

Ya im gonna use it, I was just curious why people where bashing on it in a lot of earlier threads I saw over various points of time.

 

The A8 when released had a bug on the radiator, even though it uses the same(ish) engine as the earlier A5, it could barely stay at continous power without overheating, you basically had to fly with rads full opened all the time and it would cost too much of performance. The plane stayed that way until one of the recent patches this year which made it "usable". Off course its heavier than the other 190s but it also gets a lot more firepower, with the default 2 MG131s, 4 MG151s, even more if you swap 2 of those 151s to MK108s, making it perfect for those 1 hit and run tactics.

Edited June 28, 2019 by Willy__

[Gamington]

Ive noticed it hasnt been overheating as much and here I thought I just got better at managing that ahahaha.

[Gamington]

Sorry for the double post but I love how durable this plane is. Just took out 2 a20s and had a mean spitfire breathing down my neck and managed to get away and land. Thats only half of it pic size limitations my poor plane is swiss cheese all over but It got me back to base.

Edited June 28, 2019 by Gamington

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Well the point is, people don't like it because it's not a dogfighter to fly solo with.

 

As long as you're enroute in a team of at least two, and alpha-strike, bounce, or drag&bag people, it's one of the best planes there is. If you get a six you can easily dive, stay fast, roll quick with slight pitch, dodge the enemy staying behind you and survive even multiple hits. All while your wingman, who's capable of the same high speed maneuverability, can take the pirate off of your six.

You cannot do that in 109s, they lock up at high speeds so that you cannot dodge properly, and your wingman would have much bigger issues to hit your six too. They're much better when you fly alone though, when you want to dogfight, and on Berloga. Past the F4, in the timeline, I would not pick a 109 anymore.

[Stoopy]

8 hours ago, Gamington said:

Sorry for the double post but I love how durable this plane is. Just took out 2 a20s and had a mean spitfire breathing down my neck and managed to get away and land. Thats only half of it pic size limitations my poor plane is swiss cheese all over but It got me back to base.

 

 

The classic "Yeah but you should see the other guy"...LOL.   Yep its a small, fast, hard target, very easy to appreciate those points when you're in it!  

 

Just wanna put a word in here for earlier versions of the 190 - don't discount the A3 and other variants.  Not as heavy and a bit more maneuverable should you get into positions where you need that (which usually means you've made a mistake).    So far my personal best on the Berloga server was achieved in the A3.   Wasn't a high number of kills (3) but still I think it held its own...

 

 

 

[sevenless]

There is no better plane to shoot down twin engined bombers or sturmoviks than the A8. Firepower rules.

[SCG_ErwinP]

34 minutes ago, sevenless said:

There is no better plane to shoot down twin engined bombers or sturmoviks than the A8. Firepower rules.

With or without 2x30mm, he is great!

[Yogiflight]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

There is no better plane to shoot down twin engined bombers or sturmoviks than the A8. Firepower rules.

According to the firepower the 110 G2 with the 20mm gondola is even better because of the concentrated firepower, but unfortunately it is a real big target for the reargunners, too.

Not to forget a little slower and less manouverable.?

[Mac_Messer]

As much as I like the 190, as a gamer and 109 regular will never place it above the 109 as a fighter. Part of that is because with the 109 I could always hang on my own, online or offline, single or flying with 5 teammates. In real life aswell, the 109 might have been an old design yet it did some things far better than the 190A until the very end of the war.

 

The ingame Anton generally doesn`t reflect all the great sides it has, because it`s a game. Been said plenty before but living pilots, both lw and allied appreciated the fw190 for far more features than it shows in Great Battles.

 

As for virtual pilots, those that excel with the A8 (or any Anton for that matter) tend to be excellent snapshooters and marksmen. For them all that is have to be done is position your enemy in front of the guns, job already done. Now for all the rest who need two, three, five gun solutions to down one fighter, 109 is the obvious choice as its maneuverability and acceleration lets it take on any allied fighter.

[Lusekofte]

A 8 is the pretties plane in game. It really excell just looking at it. Never flown it online but often in SP with outside view. This is why I gonna buy the DCS module also

[Bremspropeller]

Why would it be? It currently is the most versatile single engine airplane in the game and it's coming with a boatload of options.

It currently has the highest bomb-tonnage of any fighter-bomber and you can modify it into oblivion.

 

Without the allied wonderplanes of 1944, you're still able to hold your own in a fighter loadout.

This will change when the P-51D and Tempest are coming, however - especially should there be higher manifold-pressures available for the P-51.

[InProgress]

1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

A 8 is the pretties plane in game. It really excell just looking at it. Never flown it online but often in SP with outside view. This is why I gonna buy the DCS module also

I don't like fighters but Fw190A are really great. Lots of fun to use them as attacker. With A8 you can take so much bombs. Also got dcs ww2 only because A8

 

2 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

According to the firepower the 110 G2 with the 20mm gondola is even better because of the concentrated firepower, but unfortunately it is a real big target for the reargunners, too.

Not to forget a little slower and less manouverable.?

But it has much better accuracy. You can open fire from really far away before enemy gunner. At least this is pretty much my tactic (works best vs allied planes in clod, especially when gunner is on a tail like in Wellington) you can kill gunner and then get closer to finish it.

[Gamington]

4 hours ago, Stoopy said:

 

The classic "Yeah but you should see the other guy"...LOL.   Yep its a small, fast, hard target, very easy to appreciate those points when you're in it!  

 

Just wanna put a word in here for earlier versions of the 190 - don't discount the A3 and other variants.  Not as heavy and a bit more maneuverable should you get into positions where you need that (which usually means you've made a mistake).    So far my personal best on the Berloga server was achieved in the A3.   Wasn't a high number of kills (3) but still I think it held its own...

 

 

 

Ya I have experiance with all the 190s. I usually use them depending on what im doing but I prefer the A8 over all the others even the dora.

[sevenless]

6 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

According to the firepower the 110 G2 with the 20mm gondola is even better because of the concentrated firepower, but unfortunately it is a real big target for the reargunners, too.

Not to forget a little slower and less manouverable.?

 

Yep, velocity and manouverability lacks, however I wouldn´t mind if they would integrate the R4 variant also which had 2 Mk 108 instead of the MGs. That would also be a hell of a punch.

[Heckpupper]

In low altitude combat it's still a fantastic aircraft, just like any 190 before it. In 1943/44 eastern front scenarios, it's dominant though slightly heavier than other Focke Wulfs.

In high altitude combat, against the western allied aircraft, it's rather an underdog. When the fight takes place higher than 5km, you begin losing speed advantage, and the FW-190 without speed advantage is as good as a G.50.

 

So yeah, potentially it can still be strong when used in an enviroment that suits it, and against competition over which it holds top speed advantage. 

In the Bodenplatte planeset it's definitely not a curbstomper like the A-3 or A-5 are on 1942/43 maps in MP.

[SCG_OpticFlow]

8 hours ago, Stoopy said:

 

The classic "Yeah but you should see the other guy"...LOL.   Yep its a small, fast, hard target, very easy to appreciate those points when you're in it!  

 

Just wanna put a word in here for earlier versions of the 190 - don't discount the A3 and other variants.  Not as heavy and a bit more maneuverable should you get into positions where you need that (which usually means you've made a mistake).    So far my personal best on the Berloga server was achieved in the A3.   Wasn't a high number of kills (3) but still I think it held its own... 

 

 

 

 

A3 is also slightly faster than A5.