Cpt_Siddy Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SCG_Riksen said: You may see no reason to fly it but I see plenty. P-51 will be awesome and I cant wait to fly it. If the P40 is a anything to stand by then I believe I'll do well in the Mustang. You like P-40 because it has 500kg toilet and can dive on airfields.... Edited July 25, 2019 by CptSiddy 1
6FG_Big_Al Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 I know it's "just" a model, but it still looks great. Hopefully we will see such a skin for the pony ?
Stoopy Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) The more I read and think about it the more I am convinced that this is one plane that I wouldn't want to be in a hurry for. Just imagine if you managed or worked at a software company like 1C. Here you are in a competitive environment with a dedicated and enthusiastic user base. And your product is currently outshining it's competitors on many arguable levels - graphics, fidelity, flight models, damage models, etc. You would be extremely foolish to take what is arguably the most well known and revered icon of the WWII air war (sorry, Spitfire guys) among every casual layperson, millennial and hausfrau and rush it in any way. You simply can't produce an average or mediocre version knowing the audience and other versions against which it will be judged. Your version has to be better than anything in DCS, or by A2A, or any number of other quality offerings out there. It has to unquestionably RULE and deliver to high expectations. It must win the hearts and minds of all current and prospective customers, and be positioned as a "flagship" of your lineup. I have no doubt it will meet and perhaps exceed these high expectations, and am more than happy to see that happen. However more many weeks it takes, they will go fast. Edited July 25, 2019 by Stoopy
LColony_Kong Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, 71st_AH_Yankee_ said: Agreed with the former. For that latter, that'd be nice, but not necessary. They would need to implement a proper fuel handling system to make those useful. And really, they won't be: in our maps we really don't need massive range. I feel bad about that kid. Grew up in china only to get separated from his parents by the Japanese. And then he was reunited with them only to move to Gotham and have them murdered by a grinning psycho. Oh well. At least his taste in warbirds is spot-on. Short range missions is what I want them for. The P-51 can loiter at very high speed at its cruise settings due to low drag. Hence why it has so much range. With drop tanks you could carry 25% internal fuel and tanks. Then drop them when u run into bandits. Other fighters could do this, but the P-51s low power cruise lets it get back to base easier because it needs little fuel to do so. A P-51 at 25% fuel is like a 109 with 50% fuel in terms of flight time at full power. Edited July 25, 2019 by Fumes
DD_Arthur Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, Fumes said: Short range missions is what I want them for. The P-51 can loiter at very high speed at its cruise settings due to low drag. Hence why it has so much range. With drop tanks you could carry 25% internal fuel and tanks. Then drop them when u run into bandits. Other fighters could do this, but the P-51s low power cruise lets it get back to base easier because it needs little fuel to do so. Yep; run on the drop tanks until combat and that 25% gives you half an hour at combat settings before rtb.
Blackhawk_FR Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Stoopy said: You simply can't produce an average or mediocre version knowing the audience and other versions against which it will be judged. Your version has to be better than anything in DCS I'm sure IL2's P51 will be great. But it just can't "beat" the DCS one (at least on FM and system management).
1CGS LukeFF Posted July 25, 2019 1CGS Posted July 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Stoopy said: As Jason hails from the great state of Texas I believe, everything is bigger there including timelines, so I'd figure seven weeks. Jason is from California like myself, which means we start and finish every sentence with "dude." ? 1
Gambit21 Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 I'm from California originally, so I still have some "dude" left in me.
Stoopy Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Makes 3 of us! Born in Pomona '61 and lived all up and down the golden state until leaving in' 96. My other hobby is playing instrumental surf guitar a la Dick Dale so I hear ya dudes!!! ? Edited July 25, 2019 by Stoopy
[DBS]TH0R Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Fumes said: please oh please be a 72 or 75inch mustang. It would only be fair, when comparing the K4 and its engine options TBH.
357th_Dog Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, Gambit21 said: I'm from California originally, so I still have some "dude" left in me. Same...Ventura originally, now in Oregon
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 I’ll be honest, I can’t wait to be FROM California 1
AndytotheD Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 9:21 PM, II/JG17_HerrMurf said: Thats not quite the way I read that when taken as a total. His replies taken together seem to indicate all of the aircraft are in progress and will be released as they are completed. They may be released together if that’s how the timing works out or they may be released individually for the same reason. “At the moment we plan to make all four planes available in one huge update at the end of September”.
Georgio Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 16 hours ago, LukeFF said: Jason is from California like myself, which means we start and finish every sentence with "dude." ? Is that the new hit song, 'Hey Dude'?
CIA_Yankee_ Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 17 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said: I'm sure IL2's P51 will be great. But it just can't "beat" the DCS one (at least on FM and system management). Of course it could on FM. IL-2's FM is pretty durn good, and DCS can have some very wonky modeling at times. System management, however, is definitely DCS' strong suit. 2
COVIDCowboy Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 Well, you all have finally done it with this thread. Every page has probably added one week to the p-51 release date
III/JG53Frankyboy Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 On 7/25/2019 at 2:47 PM, LuseKofte said: That is the well proven airframe doing extreemly well at low altitude. I was talking about the merged griffon /p51 it was pretty unclear I admit. That is life for people with bad english Merlin ? Imagine a Griffon in a P-51 Airframe.......?
Stoopy Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, III/JG53Frankyboy said: Merlin ? Imagine a Griffon in a P-51 Airframe.......? Heck yeah then all we'd need is a Red Baron skin... I already found a nice spot on the Kuban map that's perfect for some Reno-style air racing!!! ?
HBPencil Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 29 minutes ago, III/JG53Frankyboy said: Merlin ? Imagine a Griffon in a P-51 Airframe.......? I guess this comparison is superficial but I think the Martin Baker MB5 gave an indication of what a Griffon powered 'stang would be like. 1
Lusekofte Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 31 minutes ago, III/JG53Frankyboy said: Merlin ? Imagine a Griffon in a P-51 Airframe.......? Damn I left my mind somewhere. I need to go find it. Cheers
MiloMorai Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, LuseKofte said: Damn I left my mind somewhere. I need to go find it. Cheers There was some design proposals but, iirc, the engine was to placed mid fuselage like the P-39, -63.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 17 hours ago, AndytotheD said: “At the moment we plan to make all four planes available in one huge update at the end of September”. *At the moment.....
ZachariasX Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 I hope there will be some nice Reno Racing skins for the Mustang, same as there should be Lefty Gardners „White Lightning“ for the P-38 (despite being a different type).
Sublime Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 My opinion is just mine and not worth more than others. That said my god I hope they dont release all 4 at end of September. For one then all complaints and tweaks will need to happen to 4 planes at once. Second... Itll just take longer. I prefer this system - we all get to get up to speed with the new airframe, we all geta bone to appease us for a mnth or two, and if the FM or whatever needs tweaks they can do it. Idk Im just not liking this new idea. 1
[DBS]Browning Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 My suspicion is that the new fuel tank system is being worked along side the 51 and is being retro fitted to all other planes and the Devs don't want to release, say, the P-38 only to have to patch it later once the new fuel system is ready. Better to wait until the new systems are finished and can be applied to all planes yet to be released. Just a shot in the dark. 3 2
Lusekofte Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, [DBS]Browning said: My suspicion is that the new fuel tank system is being worked along side the 51 and is being retro fitted to all other planes and the Devs don't want to release, say, the P-38 only to have to patch it later once the new fuel system is ready. Better to wait until the new systems are finished and can be applied to all planes yet to be released. Just a shot in the dark. I think you are right. Or a similar case. Whatever reason they choose. It is probably a good reason. 4 ac need a long testrun though
=621=Samikatz Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 14 hours ago, III/JG53Frankyboy said: Merlin ? Imagine a Griffon in a P-51 Airframe.......? The RAF actually did, though the aircraft was never finished. A handful of P-51B airframes were purchased by Rolls-Royce for testing purposes, with intent to stuff a Griffon engine in there. It didn't quite fit in the nose, so... The project was deemed low priority and the idea of making the Mustang faster was thrown out once jet fighters began actually began to show promise 1
Bremspropeller Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) Besides making the airframe lighter, instead of just bolting on a more powerful engine, made the airplane plaenty fast. See the XP-51F and G and the eventual P-51H. It was too late for prime time, but did well in ANG and reserve service and it was quite a performer. BTW: The "MUST-be-ANG" name is already reserved to my post-war Mustang, as well as "My Sharona" (P-51B/C) and "Dr. Feelgood" (P-51D). Sorry folks. Edited July 27, 2019 by Bremspropeller
Stoopy Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 12 hours ago, ZachariasX said: I hope there will be some nice Reno Racing skins for the Mustang, same as there should be Lefty Gardners „White Lightning“ for the P-38 I am SOOOOOOO down with some air racing!!! 20 hours ago, III/JG53Frankyboy said: Merlin ? Imagine a Griffon in a P-51 Airframe.......? Gents you don't have to imagine it - just look into the Precious Metal Reno racer - also there was the Red Baron, sadly no longer with us, although the pilot (Steve Hinton) luckily survived. Awesome birds even though I'm a Rare Bear fan!!! 2 1 1
ShamrockOneFive Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 11 hours ago, [DBS]Browning said: My suspicion is that the new fuel tank system is being worked along side the 51 and is being retro fitted to all other planes and the Devs don't want to release, say, the P-38 only to have to patch it later once the new fuel system is ready. Better to wait until the new systems are finished and can be applied to all planes yet to be released. Just a shot in the dark. A shot in the dark but a very good one. We know they are working on stuff like that and the Mustang and Lightning are ideal aircraft to introduce it on. Actually so is the Tempest with four separate tanks of its own. So there may be a reason for the clustering. I think you're onto something. 1
Gambit21 Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Stoopy said: I am SOOOOOOO down with some air racing!!! I’m going to Reno this year, finally.
JtD Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 23 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said: The RAF actually did, though the aircraft was never finished. A handful of P-51B airframes were purchased by Rolls-Royce for testing purposes, with intent to stuff a Griffon engine in there. It didn't quite fit in the nose, so... Thank god it was never finished. Where the NASA got Werner von Braun, RR must have had the bad luck to get some Blohm and Voss engineers... 1
kendo Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 16 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said: A shot in the dark but a very good one. We know they are working on stuff like that and the Mustang and Lightning are ideal aircraft to introduce it on. Actually so is the Tempest with four separate tanks of its own. So there may be a reason for the clustering. I think you're onto something. There may definitely be something in that. I was wondering about the fuel management system improvements they had mentioned they were working on. Seemed to go quiet on that recently. When you add all the upcoming features that have been announced there will really be quite monumental changes to the sim and to game-play. it is a real body of work they have committed to beyond the actual new aircraft and maps. We have: pilot physiology AI improvements air marshal repairing, refuelling, refitting visibility extended to 100km fuel system modelling cockpit fire effects for aircraft 1
ShamrockOneFive Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, kendo said: There may definitely be something in that. I was wondering about the fuel management system improvements they had mentioned they were working on. Seemed to go quiet on that recently. When you add all the upcoming features that have been announced there will really be quite monumental changes to the sim and to game-play. it is a real body of work they have committed to beyond the actual new aircraft and maps. We have: pilot physiology AI improvements air marshal repairing, refuelling, refitting visibility extended to 100km fuel system modelling cockpit fire effects for aircraft For sure. And so the last patch, as much as everyone was feeling a bit underwhelmed about it (even though its a fine patch), is really all about clearing the deck for some major updates in a few months time. Kuban was sort of the same way where the biggest updates needed to come all at once.
Cpt_Siddy Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, kendo said: visibility extended to 100km You mean player visibility or horizon. Because, as i predicted in one of my threads, the 262 is suffering from 9km visibility bubble up high.
kendo Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 Take it you haven't read the latest DD? Visibility of aircraft and ships...
Cpt_Siddy Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, kendo said: Take it you haven't read the latest DD? Visibility of aircraft and ships... in multiplayer? 1
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