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11 minutes ago, =11=Herne said:

 

whats wrong with your rift ?

 

 

No ruddy idea. Was working, then new patch came up and now I get sound but no picture. OTOH, DCS works fine. I am a little stumped as no one has reported similar problems...

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45 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

No ruddy idea. Was working, then new patch came up and now I get sound but no picture. OTOH, DCS works fine. I am a little stumped as no one has reported similar problems...

My rift working fine beside performance drop (fps count went down since 3.0012).

Did ypu tried to reinstall or verify game files?

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40 minutes ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

My rift working fine beside performance drop (fps count went down since 3.0012).

Did ypu tried to reinstall or verify game files?

 

Thanks mate. Yep, that's next on the list....☹️

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I have done a little research on Spitfire Mk XIV bases on the continent and found the following:
 
No.610 (County of Chester) Squadron
 
December 1943-March 1946: Supermarine Spitfire XIV 
 
December 1944: B.56 Evere
December 1944-January 1945: Y.32 Ophoven
January-February 1945: B.78 Eindhoven
February-March 1945: Warmwell
 
No.130 Squadron
 
August 1944-May 1945: Supermarine Spitfire XIV
 
September-October 1944: B.70 Antwerp/ Deurne
October-November 1944: B.82 Grave
November-December 1944: B.64 Diest/ Schaffen
Decembe 1944-January 1945: Y.32 Ophoven
January-February 1945: B.78 Eindhoven
February 1945: Warmwell
February-April 1945: B.78 Eindhoven
April 1945: B.106 Twente
April-May 1945: B.118 Celle
May 1945: B.152 Fassberg
 
No.350 (Belgian) Squadron 
 
August 1944-October 1945: Supermarine Spitfire XIV
December 1944: B.56 Evere
December 1944-January 1945: Y.32 As/ Ophoven
January-March 1945: B.78 Eindhoven
March-April 1945: Warmwell
April 1945: B.78 Eindhoven
April 1945: B.106 Twente
April-May 1945: B.118 Celle
May-June 1945: B.152 Fassberg
 
No.41 Squadron
 
September 1944-September 1945: Supermarine Spitfire XIV
December 1944: B.64 Diest/ Schaffen
December 1944-January 1945: Y.32 As/ Ophoven
January-March 1945: B.80 Volkel
March 1945: Warmwell
March-April 1945: B.78 Eindhoven
April 1945: B.106 Twente
April-May 1945: B.118 Celle
May-July 1945: B.160 Kastrup
 
No. 414 Squadron
 
April 1945-August 1945: Supermarine Spitfire XIV
 
April 45 - Rheine (B.108), 50 miles north-east of Wesel, then (on 16 April) to Wunstorf (B.116), near Hanover, and finally (on 28 April) to Soltau (B.154).
 
 
No.268 Squadron
 
April-September 1945: Supermarine Spitfire XIV
 
 
March-April 1945: B.89 Mill
April-May 1945: B.106 Twente
May-June 1945: B.118 Celle
 
No. 2 Squadron
 
November 1944-January 1951: Supermarine Spitfire Mk XIV
 
23 October 1944-9 March 1945: B.77 Gilze-Rijen
9 March-18 April 1945: B.89 Mill
18 April-30 May 1945: B.106 Twente 
 
402 Squadron "City of Winnipeg"
 
August 1944 - 10 July 1945: Supermarine Spitfire Mk XIV
 
At the end of September 1944, the Squadron was posted to the 2nd Tactical Air Force (TAF) in Belgium, joining No. 125 Wing RCAF. A move to Grave in the Netherlands followed where the first victories were claimed over Nijmegen on 6 October 1944. In December, the Squadron joined No. 126 Wing RCAF to fly alongside the Wing's Spitfire Mk.IX's. The ending of the hostilities found the unit on German soil at Wunstorf with total victories for the war of 49½ aircraft. The code letters carried by the Squadron during this period were "AE". The Squadron disbanded at RAF Fassberg, Germany on 10 July 1945.
 
430 Squadron RCAF
 
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403 Sqn
 
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Brief Operational History

The first production Spitfire XIV was delivered in late October, 1943. No. 610 (County of Chester) Squadron was the first squadron to convert to Spitfire XIVs, re-equipment commencing on 4 January 1944 with the Squadron's move to Exeter. 1  610 Squadron’s first operational sorties with their XIVs occurred on 8 January 1944. Spring brought moves to Culmhead, Bolt Head, and Harrowbeer. 91 Squadron began trading in their Spitfire XIIs for XIVs on the last day of February 1944 when they moved to Castle Camps. They flew operations with the XIVs on 12 March 1944, moving to Drem that month, then West Malling in April. 322 (Dutch) Squadron began re-equipping with Spitfire XIVs in mid March at Acklington, with the first operational flying coming after the move to Hartford Bridge in April. At this time 91 and 322 Squadrons comprised 24 Wing, 2nd TAF led by Wing Commander Bobby Oxspring. Spring operations took the form of sweeps, patrols, scrambles, escorts etc. 2  3  4   After participating in Operation Overlord, the successful landings in Normandy, the Spitfire XIV Squadrons were engaged in anti-diver duties for approximately two months. On 9 August 1944 Nos. 91 and 322 delivered their Spitfires XIVs to 350 (Belgian) and 402 (Winnipeg Bear) Squadrons at Hawkinge, while No. 130 (Punjab) Squadron also converted to Spitfire XIVs that month at Lympne. By mid August the V-1 diver threat had waned and the Spitfire XIV Squadrons went back to offensive operations over the continent. 5  6  7  8  

 

In September 1944, 41, 130, 350, and 610 squadrons, led by Wing Commander Colin Gray, made up the Spitfire XIV wing based at Lympne, Kent, their primary role being escorting bombers to Germany. 9  10  11  12  13   402 (RCAF) was first to move to the continent, arriving at Antwerp/Deurne, Belgium (B.70) in September followed shortly thereafter by 130 Squadron. These two Spitfire XIV squadrons then joined the Tempests of 80 and 274 Squadrons at Grave, Belgium (B.82) in early October to comprise No 125 Wing, No 83 Group, 2nd TAF before moving to Diest, Holland (B.64) in November. No. 2 and 430 fighter recce squadrons, based on the continent with No 35 Wing, No 84 Group, 2nd TAF, equipped with Spitfire XIVs in November. 350 and 610 Squadrons moved to Evere, Belgium (B.56) during the first week of December, while 41 joined 130 and 402 at Diest. At the end of the month 41, 130, 350 and 610 squadrons, comprising No 125 Wing, moved to Ophoven, Belgium (Y.32). 402 transferred to 126 (RCAF) Wing at Heesch, Holland (B.88) in December, staying there into April.

In January 1945, 130, 350, and 610 squadrons moved to Eindhoven, Holland (B.78), while 41 Squadron joined 122 Tempest Wing at Volkel, Holland (B.80). Missions over north-west and north-central Germany brought the Spitfires into occasional contact with the Me 109s of JG 27 based at Rheine, Rheine-Hopsten, Hesepe, and Achmer during the first few months of 1945. The Me 109s of JG 3 may also have been encountered before they were moved to the crisis on the east front in January. Most combats, however, were with the Fw 190s of JG 26 and and to a lesser extent III./JG 54. 125 Wing moved to Twente, Holland (B.106) in early April where 41 Squadron rejoined them. 414 Squadron converted to FR XIVs in April as did 268 Squadron when they moved to Twente. In mid April 125 Wing moved to Celle, Germany (B.118) while 126 Wing moved to Rheine (B.108), then Wunstorf, Germany (B.116), where they finished up the war. 401 (RCAF) started to re-equip with Spitfire XIVs in mid April and was still in the process of fully converting to Spitfire XIVs when the war in Europe concluded. As of 26th April 1945 there were 667 Spitfire XIVs on strength with the RAF. 14

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7 hours ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

From your arguments you want all planes to behave the same in given conditions despite huge aerodynamic differencies.

from a purely competitive standpoint, I would actually prefer this, yes.

but in general, I'd rather just have all planes as close to being "realistic" as possible - even if that means a few adjustments to the FW or Messerschmitts or what not - you name it. I still think the game would be more enjoyable that way - just don't give UFOs to one side and not the other

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21 minutes ago, EpeeNoire said:

from a purely competitive standpoint, I would actually prefer this, yes.

but in general, I'd rather just have all planes as close to being "realistic" as possible - even if that means a few adjustments to the FW or Messerschmitts or what not - you name it. I still think the game would be more enjoyable that way - just don't give UFOs to one side and not the other

If they would be all realistic as much as they can you would be still here complaining about the same thing thinking that other side have UFO's.

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2 hours ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

If they would be all realistic as much as they can you would be still here complaining about the same thing thinking that other side have UFO's.

as this is all somewhat off-topic, we should probably leave it at that and what you believe me to be. I think I've made my point clear more than once now

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2 hours ago, VO101Kurfurst said:

Make it a collector.

 

Sell it for 99 €. 

 

Is your beloved fantasy 1.98ata K-4 being sold for 99 €?

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1 hour ago, EpeeNoire said:

as this is all somewhat off-topic, we should probably leave it at that and what you believe me to be. I think I've made my point clear more than once now

Well thread is about Spit xiv as a collector plane, you derailed it from the start by typicall Luftwhining about mk.ix.

But....it was expected, it is tradition after all!

Cheers!

 

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Wow, look at all that documented evidence of XIVs from early ‘44. Good thing that there is equal and totally indisputable documents about the exact number of 1.98 ata K-4s and D-9s with Ez-42s.

 

Exact. Down to unit, availability, sorties, losses etc.

 

Oh, wait, there are not. Still, SWOTL for the win! 😂

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2 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Wow, look at all that documented evidence of XIVs from early ‘44. Good thing that there is equal and totally indisputable documents about the exact number of 1.98 ata K-4s and D-9s with Ez-42s.

 

Exact. Down to unit, availability, sorties, losses etc.

 

Oh, wait, there are not. Still, SWOTL for the win! 😂

no no no Spit XIV should be compared to do-335 or Ta-152H , your logical logic is wrong 😄

so if spit xiv should be collectable then either do-335 or ta-152H should be also for axis, its just how it has to be :)

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2 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

no no no Spit XIV should be compared to do-335 or Ta-152H , your logical logic is wrong 😄

so if spit xiv should be collectable then either do-335 or ta-152H should be also for axis, its just how it has to be :)

 

I dunno about proving anything with extensive historical sources, but I did see this ‘Iron Sky’ film...

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Just now, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

I dunno about proving anything with extensive historical sources, but I did see this ‘Iron Sky’ film...

you dont have to prove that any axis airplane was used and in big numbers, thats only for allied airplanes and 150 octane, so do335 and ta152 over bobp map is ok 😄

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7th March 1944 Spitfire Mk XIV combat with FW 190's.

 

The web page below provides a link to the actual historical combat report and below is a typed extract from the report.

 

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14v109.html

 

Combat Reports

610 Squadron's Intelligence Officer recorded on 7 March, 1944 what may be the Spitfire XIV's first aerial combat:

     Black section, (P/O Hussey and F/Sgt. Harding) were patrolling on an east west line about 20 miles south east of Start Point 500 feet above sea level, under the control of Kingswear C.H.L. Station.
     At approx 17.30 hours the Section was told to investigate unidentified aircraft 15 miles ahead, on a vector 120 degrees. After two minutes this vector was changed to 150 degress (At this time Black one was using only plus 12 lbs boost with his jet tank still on, and the A.S.I. was clocking about 350 miles per hour.) The section was now outside G.C.I. cover, but after about a minute 3 F.W. 190's appeared from 9 o'clock approx 200 feet below, flying in a fairly close vic on a rough vector of 240 degrees; visibility was bad owing to haze, and the section had hardly seen the E/A before they had passed underneath to 3 o'clock.
     Black Section immediately pulled round to the right, and it seemed that the E/A saw them at the same moment, for as our section turned on their tails, black smoke was seen pouring from their engines as they pushed everything forward and dived to sea level. The F.W. 190 on the left of the section turned south, and the other two turned away and disappeared into the haze and glare of the sun. Our section gave chase to the single F.W. 190 which at this time, was about 800 yards ahead, right on the deck. We closed without difficulty but when 400 yards away, Black 1 noticed a F.W. 190 making a quarter attack on him from between 4 and 5 o'clock, so gave the order to "break right". As he pulled up he saw the E/A fireing at him with insufficient deflection, and it appeared that the turning circle of the Spitfire XIV was better than that of the F.W. 190. Black 1, at 1,000 feet, was now in the haze and lost sight of the F.W. 190 and his No. 2.
     Black 2, who was on the left of Black 1, saw the F.W. 190 break off his attack on Black 1, and dive south west to sea level, so he rolled down to the left and got on to the tail of the F.W. 190 at a distance of about 800 yards (The F.W. 190 that our section had been chasing originally, had disappeared by this time)
     At first Black 2, did not close on the F.W. 190 as fast as he would have liked (probably due to the excitement, he forgot to jettison his tank with Black 1 at the commencement of the first chase. The addition of the jet tank would probably take off 30 miles per hour.) Another F.W. 190 now appeared ahead at about 11 o'clock, and joined formation on the left of the aircraft that Black 2 was chasing.
     Black 2 now found that he was closing in quite fast, around 400 I.A.S. and opened fire on the left hand F.W. 190 from dead astern at 300 yards he saw strikes on both wing roots and panels flew off the port mainplane as he closed to about 100 yards. Not until the strikes were observed did the other E/A take any action. Even then he did nothing for some time, then pulled straight up and round to the left, and tried to get on the tail of Black 2. Black 2 took a final squirt at his target whose only evasive action was pitching slightly up and down, before he broke into the other E/A which was trying to get on his tail (although clocking 360 m.p.h. the turning circle of the Spitfire seemed superior to that of the F.W. 190) The F.W. 190 fired at Black 2 but allowed insufficient deflection then broke off his attack and disappeared into the mist. The E/A was not seen again. 60 
Click on the number 60 underlined in blue at the end of the above text to see original combat report.
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Enough of this ‘evidence’: faith in what we believe is more than enough.

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Spitfire Mk XIV airpower over mainland Europe May 1944.

Number 322 (Dutch) Squadron:  Antwerp, Volkel, Ostend, Calais, Boulogne.

Historical evidence below in the form of extract from Operations Record Book.

 

322-Form541-15May44.jpg

Found this interesting combat report showing a FW 190 destroyed by a Spitfire XIV on the actual day of the operation Bodenplatte attack, 1st January 1945.

 

(I have been informed that Gaze's victim was a Fw190D-9 WNr 210205 Blue 16 of 12./JG2 flown by Lt Fritz Swoboda (Stfhr) KIA.) 

 

Note the account of American flak firing at the Spitfire.

 

610-Gaze-1jan45.jpg

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On 4/30/2019 at 4:08 AM, 77.CountZero said:

Maybe leve Typhoon and mustang III for Normandy

I've never heard any mention of Normandy being done for this series.

 

On 4/27/2019 at 9:08 PM, pegg00 said:

How is the Spit IXe flight model messed up?

The Spit Mk 9 feels like the most correctly modeled airplane in the sim, to me. It just simply feels "right." Unlike the P-47. But I am VERY much for a Spit 14. It was a very important part of the Royal Air Forces inventory in the last year of the war over Europe.

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On 4/30/2019 at 12:07 PM, =11=Herne said:

 

whats wrong with your rift ?

 

 

Just in case anyone has similar issues, it was a Steam VR problem resolved by reinstalling the Steam programme.

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I think it will be a good idea the Spitfire Mk XIV on his 1944 variant wich has 21lbs of boost. As a collector plane will be fine just like La-5FN and G6 before Kuban's launch 

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28 minutes ago, -332FG-Ursus_ said:

I think it will be a good idea the Spitfire Mk XIV on his 1944 variant wich has 21lbs of boost. As a collector plane will be fine just like La-5FN and G6 before Kuban's launch 

The Lufties would complain like the world is ending if the Spit got 21lb boost. 18lb boost is enough to take care the fantasy 1.98ata K-4.

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48 minutes ago, -332FG-Ursus_ said:

I think it will be a good idea the Spitfire Mk XIV on his 1944 variant wich has 21lbs of boost. As a collector plane will be fine just like La-5FN and G6 before Kuban's launch 

 

Spit XIV, if we indeed get it, what I dearly hope, should be that version which was present on the continent starting 9/44 with 402sqd and 130sqd, so that we get a full lenght career from 9/44-4/45 with the Spit XIV.

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1 hour ago, MiloMorai said:

The Lufties would complain like the world is ending if the Spit got 21lb boost. 18lb boost is enough to take care the fantasy 1.98ata K-4.

The can complain whatever they want. Spit XIV its a fair equal to 1.98 K4. Besides the fact its historical. 

Off course it will a serious pain for any German on sky, Spit XIV its no joke.

 

But its not needed to start the civil war with the Anti-Wehraboos commentary please focus on the discussion about Spitfire Mk XIV. Will be very interesting have this plane on Il-2

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I found a pretty good read/comparison of Spit XIV vs G6/G14 and K4 here if anyone is interested --> http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14v109.html

 

It appears that 610 Squadron's Mk XIVs were being converted to 21 lb boost in July 44, and outperformed the K4 at most altitudes (level speed and climb).  Whereas, the K4 with 1.98 ATA was tested but never made it into production.  Quote from link..."newly delivered Me 109 K-4's were equipped with a DB 605 DB engine operating with 1.80 ata/2800 rpm engine limitations beginning approximately mid January 1945. Various engine and propeller configurations were experimented with. The 9-12159 propeller was the standard production propeller but various German curves are extant showing estimated performance of the Me 109 K-4 with 9-12199.10 and 9-17018.10 thin blade (Dünnblatt) props and Projektschraube with 4 light-metal blades. The 452 mph figure often cited as the top speed of the Me 109 K-4 derives from an estimate assumming an experimental 9-12199 Dünnblatt propeller. The DB 605 DC engine running at 1.8 ata boost without MW-50 was tried but did not find favour. (Die E-stelle hat Bedenken gegen den Betrieb mit 1,8 ata Aufladung ohne MW mit C 3 Kraftstoff.) The DB 605 DC engine running at 1.98 ata boost with MW was tested but seems not to have made it into service (Nach Mitteilung der E'Stelle sind 1,98 ata gesperrt.)"

 

Not intended to criticize the devs, nor start a "whine" fest, but if the K4s in BoBP are rated at 1.98 ATA, not really representative of what was flown.  That said, I have no real knowledge of what we have in the game WRT what is modeled.  If the K4s are 1.98 ATA, then I'd think the Mk XIV should be 21 lb boost.  At least we know they saw service.

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23 minutes ago, BSS_Stel said:

That said, I have no real knowledge of what we have in the game WRT what is modeled.

 

Your profile says you have BOBP, so it's easy enough to see what is modeled (hint: it's not just 1.98 ata).

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True, but I rarely look up the info on the planes.  Just fly online Fr-Sat nights and pick a side depending on balance most times.  Love the Sim!  Great hobby for us old retired farts.

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Thing is, the XIV should have been in the BoBp planeset from the outset. Although not to the strength of the IX/XVI, it was a highly important force in 2TAF throughout the Winter and onwards between 1944-45. Why on earth the (IIRC) less numerous P-38 was chosen instead I don’t quite know. 

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19 minutes ago, Lythronax said:

Thing is, the XIV should have been in the BoBp planeset from the outset. Although not to the strength of the IX/XVI, it was a highly important force in 2TAF throughout the Winter and onwards between 1944-45. Why on earth the (IIRC) less numerous P-38 was chosen instead I don’t quite know. 

 

it could easy be :

P-51D

P-47D

Typhoon Ib

Spitfire IX

Spitfire XIV

 

and ppl would ask why no Tempest V or P-38J and so on... like now its strange that there is no Typhoon or XIV, and when you see what axis side got its even more strange, Spitfire XIV had to be there, probably best insted P-38J like you say.

 

So best option is to easy fix this oversight by making it collectable airplane like they did when ppl asked for 109g6 insted 109g4 for kuban, i would be realy suprised if by end of year its not anounced that Spitfire Mk.XIV is available to be ordered as collectable airplane. Webshop would crash by amount of users preordering it 😄

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It might be an audacious idea, but there is no legal obligation to always represent the Spitfire as the RAF's high-end fighter if there's a good alternative (Tempest).

There is no reason to not include the Spitfire XIV as a collector aircraft down the road, but it's neither an oversight nor the only important collector candidate (B-25, Typhoon, Ar 234, Spitfire Mk. XIV).
And it's really an ugly duckling... :ph34r:

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5 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

when you see what axis side got its even more strange

 

What exactly is strange about the German planeset?

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1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

What exactly is strange about the German planeset?

like i say "and when you see what axis side got its even more strange" meaning its even more strange that Spitfire Mk XIV is not in allied planset from start, as its best allied side fighter that was used in battle, and axis got their best posible.

 

axis get 109k4, 190d9 262  allieds get p51 and tempest only from what can be considered top fighters, so Spitfire XIV is missing for balance planset

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1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said:

axis get 109k4, 190d9 262  allieds get p51 and tempest only from what can be considered top fighters, so Spitfire XIV is missing for balance planset

 

But the thing is that it isn't about balance but rather what was the most common at the front, and the unarguable fact is that there were far more Spitfire IXs on the Continent than there were XIVs at any given time. As for German fighters, well, it's not like there was much else to choose from - the Bf 109 G-10 has practically the same performance as a K-4, so nothing much would have changed there. 

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2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 the Bf 109 G-10 has practically the same performance as a K-4, so nothing much would have changed there. 

 

Only at high altitudes, at low and mid altitudes it is a good bit slower, slightly slower than the G-14 even down low.

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5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

But the thing is that it isn't about balance but rather what was the most common at the front, and the unarguable fact is that there were far more Spitfire IXs on the Continent than there were XIVs at any given time. As for German fighters, well, it's not like there was much else to choose from - the Bf 109 G-10 has practically the same performance as a K-4, so nothing much would have changed there. 

So that explains the 1.98ata K-4 which was only around for a few weeks , late Dec '44 and Jan '45, for operational testing and the boost was not cleared for use til 6 week before the end of the war. Never mind that its bases, but 2, which aren't even on the map. Then their is the lack of C3 and methanol.

 

II./JG11

OUT OF MAP Zellhausen 17-12-44

OUT OF MAP Strasburg 23-1-45

 

I./JG27

Stormede 19-3-45

OUT OF MAP Helmstedt 30-3-45

 

III./JG27

Gutersloh 18-3-45

OUT OF MAP Goslar 29-3-45 

OUT OF MAP Halberstadt 8-4-45

 

III./JG53

OUT OF MAP Nellingen 23-3-45

OUT OF MAP Neuhausen ob Eck 26-3-45

 

IV./JG53

OUT OF MAP Reichenbach 2-4-45 (not relevant)

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It is perfectly fine that the Spit IX (and the Tempest) had priority over the Spit XIV. It gives a more diverse plane set as you would fly the XIV in a same way as the IX, just with the option of easily keeping up with anything prop from the Luftwaffe.

 

All they have to add is 150 octane ratings for the Merlins. Maybe they added the 1.98 ata rating to differentiate from DCS (and probably get some sulking fanboys as new customers). A good decision IMHO. But then stepping short and not following up with the rest and adding highest used ratings with the other planes in a competitive environment is not ideal. But it is up to the mission designer anyway to create a good setting.

 

It is certainly better having the Spit XIV as future premium aircraft than the Tempest, my bet is that it would sell more.

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15 hours ago, =27=Davesteu said:

It might be an audacious idea, but there is no legal obligation to always represent the Spitfire as the RAF's high-end fighter if there's a good alternative (Tempest).

There is no reason to not include the Spitfire XIV as a collector aircraft down the road, but it's neither an oversight nor the only important collector candidate (B-25, Typhoon, Ar 234, Spitfire Mk. XIV).
And it's really an ugly duckling... :ph34r:

 

And the Tempest was a far better choice for the ‘ultimate RAF fighter’ anyway.

 

It was a far better aircraft than the aging and in any case exceedingly rare XIV in practically all respects. Faster, better range, better visibility, better dive, it has twice, nay, thrice the fire power and so on. Whatever the XIV does the Tempest does better, not to mention the latter was historically more important that a fee dozen fourteens that did next to nothing for the most of 1944 anyway. 

 

The Tempest was practically a new aircraft while Supermarine could came up with what was little than an old VIII jacked up with a Griffon engine in the back of some Southhampton shed.

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So what did the fee dozen Tempest do in 1944 Kurfy?

 

The VIII was a new design.

 

It is interesting that someone calls the XIV jacked up when the K-4 was a 1940 jacked up 109F.😲

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I am very much enjoying this thread topic about the Spitfire Mk XIV.  However, I must say that I makes me feel very sad when people post antagonistic and negative comments about a particular aircraft on a regular basis and act like they are aiming to get a bad reaction, lower the tone of the thread and ultimately get the thread closed. 

 

Please let us all keep positive and friendly about this great flight simulation series and our passion for WWII aircraft.  I am grateful that this thread is so informative and would like to thank all those posting truly educational and interesting information about the Spitfire XIV.

 

I am looking forward to more contributions to this topic, so lets keep this thread open ☺️

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

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10 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

But the thing is that it isn't about balance but rather what was the most common at the front, and the unarguable fact is that there were far more Spitfire IXs on the Continent than there were XIVs at any given time. As for German fighters, well, it's not like there was much else to choose from - the Bf 109 G-10 has practically the same performance as a K-4, so nothing much would have changed there. 

Like some posted before it could easy replace P-38J that was also not there in big numbers, axis got 2x109s and 2x190s in 5, allieds could easy get 2xspits.

But then people would be asking for P-38 and so on, when plansets have to be 5v5 allied side will be hard to fill in to please all with all differant types, on axis is basicly only 109 or 190.

 

109G10 dont have 1.98 :) so it would be diff if its insted 109K4, thats the other thing axis got even best posible engine regime and allieds didnt, so just having basic Spitfire XIV would be plus

 

4 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

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It is certainly better having the Spit XIV as future premium aircraft than the Tempest, my bet is that it would sell more.

I also think so, you cant have better collector airplane (P-38J is premium one in BoBp now) it end up good for them , i would be suprised if XIV is not next collectors airplane

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Personally? I'd rather be in the XIV over the Tempest. Acceleration, P/W, turn and rate of climb are better at all altitudes, as is top speed over 18'000 feet and roll below 300mph. 

 

Aside from ambush attacks, combat almost invariably devolves into medium-low altitude turning engagements ingame. The Tempest will do fine against enemies in such a fight but a XIV is simply something else in almost all regards other than dive and high-speed roll and continuous turn. 

 

As for firepower? If you can't hit anything with two Hispanos you'll do no better with four, so frankly it's inconsequential. 

 

I know this thread isn't for comparing the two but reading historical accounts of the things the XIV was capable of in close quarters combat (my favourite account is of a flight of Mustangs mistakenly bouncing a flight of XIVs, who then just opened up and climbed away untouched) has me overly excited even though it likely may never be implemented.

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