Learning the P40 thread..

[Sublime]

Ok. The tooltips that appear. Engine overheat. Etc. Autolevel on.

Youre saying those shouldnt be used exactly but more as an emergency alarm - that say in a P40 the engine temp still has to be watched?

[Sublime]

The right side of the screen?

Where engine overheat, or canopy open, or whatever shows up as a small little icon and text blurb? Thats what Im referring to

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

If you are overheating the engine, open the cowl flaps.

[Sublime]

Yes yes Im well aware of the cowl flaps etc.

My question to you was the engine dies often without a warning overheating notification.

So my question was - are you saying relying just on that isnt the way to go and you still need to watch the temp gauges?

Again Im new but not new to flight sims or the concept nor am I that new that I dont know what inlet cowls or outlet cowls are or what they do same with water and oil radiators.

One of your posts seemed almost to imply the temp gauges are more reliable or warn sooner (?) Than the overheating warning

[CountZero]

You need to read tech specs for airplanes it seams you dont understand that this game has FANTASY TIME LIMITS FOR ENGINES

forghet about temps of water oil or what not on usaf airplanes ONLY important thing is your time

Engine modes:

Nominal (unlimited time): 2600 RPM, 37.2 inch Hg

Combat power (up to 5 minutes): 3000 RPM, 42 inch Hg

Take-off power (up to 2 minutes): 3000 RPM, 45.5 inch Hg

Maximum Possible power (prohibited by flight manual): 3000 RPM, 56.0 inch Hg

 

Your engine brakes as your more then 5min on combat or more then 2 min on take of power and so on... and depending on your realisam settings you have NO WAY to know that youll be braking your engine.

 

Simple just fly for start axis or raf or vvs airplanes, i dont understand why your still trying to play with most crappy airplanes in game your just gona end up hating the game, start simple and not USAF airplanes, only when you understand the game you could try to torcur your self with fantasy time limits you have in USAF airplanes in this game.

Edited April 7, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[FTC_Riksen]

25 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

 

 

Simple just fly for start axis or raf or vvs airplanes, i dont understand why your still trying to play with most crappy airplanes in game your just gona end up hating the game, start simple and not USAF airplanes, only when you understand the game you could try to torcur your self with fantasy time limits you have in USAF airplanes in this game.

 

Take that back!

[BlitzPig_EL]

77.CountZero is right you know...

 

The German and Russian planes in this sim are easy mode compared to the USAAF aircraft.  All the so called "experten" should really be flying USAAF aircraft, then we would see just how "expert" they really are.

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, SCG_Riksen said:

 

Take that back!

No i wont ?

 

Its easy for veterans with 3-5 years of playing this game to just fly what ever as they understand how game works and to switch to more demanding airplanes like P-40 or P-39 is no effort for them BUT for some rookie who just started to play the game and start with P-40 its worst posible introduction, he should spend flying 109g2 or yak1 for 2-3months and then try to get to other more demanding airplanes like P-40... or he can start with P-40 online and end up leveing game for good as he has 0 chance to enjoy it when hes so overwhelmed, and go play something els.

Edited April 7, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[CAFulcrum]

He did say he was flying it in Career.  I keep going back myself, I love how the P40 flies and the six 50 cal.

I've found the same basic advice already mentioned: keep the speed up and do low yo-yos.  P40 dives well so you can sort of equalize/put yourself into a better energy situation.  Only problem is the ai is always turning so you have to get used to shooting from around 400-600 turning/deflection shots, meaning you have to shoot when they're under the nose and the p40 has that annoying radiator/supercharger bulge right in the way of the gunsight...  In general just keeping it fast (not yanking into a slow speed turnfight) being patient and being able to manipulate the fight (break off when needed, go from turns to yoyos, etc.) is enough to work the ai eventually into a situation where they slow down and you can creep up on them.

None of this stuff matters compared to using tactics, like never trying to fight alone, dragging to wingmen, taking advantage of other aircraft in the area, attacking from height etc.  But I have no problem making 3-5 kills a sortie in career mode.

For ground attack keep the speed up and attack one target at a time.  It's too wobbly to be aggressive.  I run in at about 250, 3-500 feet, attack at a fairly flat trajectory, then make a slow turn to keep the speed up and come around again.  The real pain is when you have to egress from enemy fighters at 70% engine : /  In combat 1v1 I haven't had much of an issue because I'll throttle down during the fight to avoid engine damage when I have sufficient airspeed, pretty much put it on a power setting and fight unless I need something drastic like following an enemy into a hammerhead.  It does feel cheap not to have it at full power the entire time though.

[=FEW=fernando11]

4 hours ago, Sublime said:

Yes yes Im well aware of the cowl flaps etc.

My question to you was the engine dies often without a warning overheating notification.

So my question was - are you saying relying just on that isnt the way to go and you still need to watch the temp gauges?

Again Im new but not new to flight sims or the concept nor am I that new that I dont know what inlet cowls or outlet cowls are or what they do same with water and oil radiators.

One of your posts seemed almost to imply the temp gauges are more reliable or warn sooner (?) Than the overheating warning

Maybe at start set your RPM at 2600 or a bit less, and use your throttle to stay always on nominal, never go to combat (should be less than 42 inches manifold)

Un this way, and with little radiators, you should be able to never brake your engine...

Againg, adjust all the Time throttle with diferent altitudes to stay always on nominal Power.

If you can do this, THEN later, use combat Power and Emergency Power only when you really need to, in 1 or 2 minutes at a time.

 

You should never need/use combat Power for a whole flight. 

Dive if you need speed. And climb only for a short time on combat Power, if you are sure you will get the kill.

 

[Sublime]

Yes I noticed setting my rpms at 72% unless emergencies solves most the problems and staying at 37 or 40 inches manifold.

Now for the fuel.  Lean for cruiskng speed (accdg to the markings in cockpit) is LOW like 30%!. Is this plane dependent or good for most planes?  In combat should I go full 100% mix or 80 or 90?  Combats a bit hectic to mess with fuel mixes too.

I vaguely remember advice to lower my fuel mix around 10% per 1km...   True for P40? Say 6k feet 80% fuel dogfighting? 

 

Now on other planes.  NOT p40. Im confused. You got propeller RPMs.  Then you got prop pitch. Is this one and the same thing or not?  If not when do I set the pitch settings and how for other planes?   Finally - feathering engines.  This only works with more than 1 engine?  Or if youre single engined can you.feather as well to help glide? I can necer make a 1 engine plane feather.

[Ehret]

13 minutes ago, Sublime said:

Yes I noticed setting my rpms at 72% unless emergencies solves most the problems and staying at 37 or 40 inches manifold.

Now for the fuel.  Lean for cruiskng speed (accdg to the markings in cockpit) is LOW like 30%!. Is this plane dependent or good for most planes?  In combat should I go full 100% mix or 80 or 90?  Combats a bit hectic to mess with fuel mixes too.

 

You can set rpm to 73%. If you are climbing to 74% and the mode should stay at the nominal.

For mix just set it the 66% and lower to the lean (33%) only when you are short on fuel.

 

edit: another hint - don't load too much fuel - 40% or 50% will last you long time. Often enough 30-35% is sufficient.

Edited April 7, 2019 by Ehret

[Sublime]

4 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

You need to read tech specs for airplanes it seams you dont understand that this game has FANTASY TIME LIMITS FOR ENGINES

forghet about temps of water oil or what not on usaf airplanes ONLY important thing is your time

Engine modes:

Nominal (unlimited time): 2600 RPM, 37.2 inch Hg

Combat power (up to 5 minutes): 3000 RPM, 42 inch Hg

Take-off power (up to 2 minutes): 3000 RPM, 45.5 inch Hg

Maximum Possible power (prohibited by flight manual): 3000 RPM, 56.0 inch Hg

 

Your engine brakes as your more then 5min on combat or more then 2 min on take of power and so on... and depending on your realisam settings you have NO WAY to know that youll be braking your engine.

 

Simple just fly for start axis or raf or vvs airplanes, i dont understand why your still trying to play with most crappy airplanes in game your just gona end up hating the game, start simple and not USAF airplanes, only when you understand the game you could try to torcur your self with fantasy time limits you have in USAF airplanes in this game.

First 9f all you gotta cut me slack.  Ive been playing 3 weeks now.

2nd no I wont HATE the game. Hard games Im used to *cof Dcs cof* and Ive flown easy mode planes.  It should tell you alot I havent flown combat in a Stuka. Nor even flown a Pe2 or ju88 or he111 at all.  Mig3, yak1, la5, 109 and 190. I love them.

Im.also American though and I just like the P40. Its US, its different.  And I still say if used right can be deadly. I saw someone on youtube ( a female to boot ) flying it online making insane snapshots etc. She dominated planes 3 yrs more advanced.

I wont hate the game. Yes i heard about the timers. I try nit to think about them. Knowing too much about under the hood ruins games. If you play Combat Mission you.ll understand if you've been around those games awhile.

That said I dont want to be chastised for asking questions or wanting to learn. I mean cmon.  My issues Im having ARENT really with the Yak1, Fw190 A3, 109 F4, Mig3.  I can fly those and get multiple kills in SP. I play careeer moxe only unless testing something and MP im delving into. But it seems everyones on newer planes and Im hobbled. So I need more practice. And maybe when I get employment and can get a few nicer planes and maybe a headset (to talk) or a used oculys rift (i heard spottings so much easier. If nothing itd help dogfighting and if not itd make SP great)

I wanted advixe for the P40 for a reason. I didnt want a debate about what planes I should fly I can decide that on my own. Ive been simming since Aces Over Europe.

Any advice on ground attack?

I also was pleasantly surprised by the Mc202 and may do a career as an Italian and switch to a Luftie squad in Stalinnrad. (Ill never last I always play iron man lol) but the Mc202 in 41 is serious. And in BoM the P40 is a dangerous foe.. Well more dangerous.  Its more dangerous for a 109 E7. Speaking of E7s I havent flown an E7.

Also even though I have a logitech 3d pro and use mouse to look.. Joy is my ruxder i fly fine. Yes things could ve better but I do well witbout hotas and pedals. I mean I can fly full real uh1 on dcs.

Anyways guys I just want advice about this plane or others. Tips for dogfighting and ground attack.  Advice since I got the La5 should I get a yak1b first if they go on sale?  Since its outdated but doesnt look like without buying BoBP i wont get a spit ix or tempest shoyld I spring for a mkivB?

also when I have money make no doubt Ill buy all their content to support the cause.  Financially now thinga are tough.

Shoutout to @spartan85can you believe he msgd me asked me what I had and gidted me BoM premium free? Ive been havinf a ball! Soo generous!  Im doing so vad financially that was just awesome ofnthe guy!  People have been so cool

Just now, Ehret said:

 

You can set rpm to 73%. If you are climbing to 74% and the mode should stay at the nominal.

For fuel just set it the 66% and lower to the lean (33%) only when you are short on fuel.

66 for combat?

[Ehret]

7 minutes ago, Sublime said:

66 for combat?

 

66% mix for everything except when you are low on fuel.

[Sublime]

3 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

No i wont ?

 

Its easy for veterans with 3-5 years of playing this game to just fly what ever as they understand how game works and to switch to more demanding airplanes like P-40 or P-39 is no effort for them BUT for some rookie who just started to play the game and start with P-40 its worst posible introduction, he should spend flying 109g2 or yak1 for 2-3months and then try to get to other more demanding airplanes like P-40... or he can start with P-40 online and end up leveing game for good as he has 0 chance to enjoy it when hes so overwhelmed, and go play something els.

no no you treat me like im a total n00b to sims.  Bruh I wuxnt ever take a p40 online. I take 109 F4s (the G2 is garbage and I hate flying it. I havent flown the K4 but I hesrd its great in this. Nevertheless MY 109 will ALWAYS be the F4. ) Fw190 A3s (but Im more a dogfighter than BnZer and I need to learn more) not flying alone is crucosl but nonheadset cripples me. So ill have to deal. 9therwise I fly LA5s al.ost exclusively online ajd a little Yak.  The thing is I still suck.

Noo the p40 is my discouragement with online and wanting to master more planes ib SP then go back to MP. When im reliably fifhting in SP on normal difficulty and not sometimes hitting autopilot because I csnt find the enemy fighters nonmatter what so the plane orients me towards them I wont delve back into MP. I know u need to fight and pay ur dues to get better st MP. But instead of acti g like a Luftwagge recruit in 1945 Id rathet be a USAAF RECRUIT in 1944 and know my plane in and out before combat. My .002

2nd indont rage quit. At worst I goto SP to get some kills and come back.  I know how it is. Im soo bitter I dont have tje F14 im not playing DCS until I got money for that mod anr an oculus

 And headsets

Im here to stay either way combat mission (total diff genre) is my only other otpiom. I dont f arnd with war thunder and these arcadey games.  I dont discourage tbat easy friend. I apprwciate your concern.

What I WOULD like is for someone or some people to reach 9ut to talk to me personally and maybe meet me to fly online understanding i got no headset and we can fly together at least

Often i get killed because i cant see my 6 and i get shredded. If i had a wingman the enemy would get shot down or Id make it. Etc

My biggest privlem BY FAR is spottingthe enemy at distance. On my laptop screen is almost impossible.

I do attach it to my flat scren. It helps bur any settinga adgice Id like.

I can tell u in like an hr what my settings are

I turned down the alpha as much as u can in game. Made labdscape blurry etc.

Whats the trick to seeing these enemys so far awau. Yes i make use of zoom etc. But i see some guys vids and they see enemies 8 km away and in my 5shoes id nevet see them. If i cud see the enemt like these guys id have gotten a kill by now in MP

2 minutes ago, Ehret said:

 

66% mix for everything except when you are low on fuel.

Good to know ty.

Also if youre playing SP career... Would u wanna do coop with me? If not interested in PM talking and Ill fly your wingonline?

I have like an hr of work at home in a little bit. Cleaning then free all day.  I appreciate everyomes advice i hope ehret and count zero know I appreciate it.

[Sublime]

Wellll just like that BoM is on hold. Kubans in my hand. Ezpect queztions about whats different with the Yak7B (first) should I fly the spit as usual? I sont like grnd attack but the Hs129 is so unique.. Otherwise.. Ill follow with my P40 campa8gn but I cant help it. Gotta stat strong check o7t the new g4 109 abd a5 fw.. But first. MarkVB campaign ?

So next up.

Spit mark VB.  What should I kniw.

Yak7B same also what makes it diff

Finally P39

Pls

[=FEW=fernando11]

Hi mate. With all my respect, you should focus on 1 question at a time...

About mixture, did you understand the answer?

Also sometimes RL answers are not exactly the same as in-game...

On the p40,

0%mixture is idle/cut off, in real life usted to stop the engine (it works also ingame)

33% Is AUTO lean

66% is AUTO rich (this is why you dont need to lower when you fly higher)

And 100% is full rich (in RL you should use if the automation brakes, dont think it's posible in game) or at take off, I think.

 

About RPM and prop pitch, you should serch exactly what is each, but on some planes you set the RPM and some Sort of automation regulates the prop pitch to always be at set RPM, on other planes you can set the prop pitch manualy, so you need to always change prop pitch to mantain a constant RPM..

On the p40, you set desired RPM. On the 109 for example RPM is linked to throttle, but you can manualy unlink them, and then you can control the prop pitch, so you sould always adjust to mantain RPM, a use of this Is lowering RPM to use less Fuel, or nourse a damaged engine. Also on the 109 you can go "beyond" coarse pitch, so the prop is in fact feathered...

 

But normal feathering of props is done in most twin engine planes, exept the pe2.

 

So as you see... Not every answer is the same for every plane, you should focus on X question, for Z plane, and so on.

[Sublime]

8 hours ago, =FEW=fernando11 said:

Hi mate. With all my respect, you should focus on 1 question at a time...

About mixture, did you understand the answer?

Also sometimes RL answers are not exactly the same as in-game...

On the p40,

0%mixture is idle/cut off, in real life usted to stop the engine (it works also ingame)

33% Is AUTO lean

66% is AUTO rich (this is why you dont need to lower when you fly higher)

And 100% is full rich (in RL you should use if the automation brakes, dont think it's posible in game) or at take off, I think.

 

About RPM and prop pitch, you should serch exactly what is each, but on some planes you set the RPM and some Sort of automation regulates the prop pitch to always be at set RPM, on other planes you can set the prop pitch manualy, so you need to always change prop pitch to mantain a constant RPM..

On the p40, you set desired RPM. On the 109 for example RPM is linked to throttle, but you can manualy unlink them, and then you can control the prop pitch, so you sould always adjust to mantain RPM, a use of this Is lowering RPM to use less Fuel, or nourse a damaged engine. Also on the 109 you can go "beyond" coarse pitch, so the prop is in fact feathered...

 

But normal feathering of props is done in most twin engine planes, exept the pe2.

 

So as you see... Not every answer is the same for every plane, you should focus on X question, for Z plane, and so on.

Thank you.  Yes its coming together.  I would do one at a time if we were here in person.  Its better to shotgun spray questions (IME) online. I can get multiple answers as I read a few hours later.

That said a lot of this I understood or vaguely got - I wanted to flesh out my knowledge.

I know all planes are far from the same but youd be surprised how much "general" stuff about this helps and is transferrable.to other planes.

A goodexample is learning tbe P40.  Its harder right?  Well if I learn this in and out, though other planes are much different it'll be the same workload or less..

Im pretty good on the P40 limits etc now.

On the 109.  The prop pitch.  Ok so the 'clock' showing the prop angles.  IIRC it being around 12 o clock is more coarse better for fivhting and around 9 o clock was better for cruising. Or do I have it backward? My question is to 'featyer' the engine what do you do - put the prop pitch as far forward of 'noon' as you can?

Ive certainly nursed my share of 109s over the volga and became a glider

[Cpt_Cool]

Biggest thing nobody has mentioned 

 

The P-40 fuselage fuel tank wrecks performance. Unless you are going for a long flight, 40% fuel is plentyyyy for 90% of MP sorties.

 

 

Edited April 8, 2019 by Cpt_Cool

[CountZero]

 

21 hours ago, Sublime said:

no no you treat me like im a total n00b to sims.  Bruh I wuxnt ever take a p40 online. I take 109 F4s (the G2 is garbage and I hate flying it. I havent flown the K4 but I hesrd its great in this. Nevertheless MY 109 will ALWAYS be the F4. ) Fw190 A3s (but Im more a dogfighter than BnZer and I need to learn more) not flying alone is crucosl but nonheadset cripples me. So ill have to deal. 9therwise I fly LA5s al.ost exclusively online ajd a little Yak.  The thing is I still suck.

Noo the p40 is my discouragement with online and wanting to master more planes ib SP then go back to MP. When im reliably fifhting in SP on normal difficulty and not sometimes hitting autopilot because I csnt find the enemy fighters nonmatter what so the plane orients me towards them I wont delve back into MP. I know u need to fight and pay ur dues to get better st MP. But instead of acti g like a Luftwagge recruit in 1945 Id rathet be a USAAF RECRUIT in 1944 and know my plane in and out before combat. My .002

2nd indont rage quit. At worst I goto SP to get some kills and come back.  I know how it is. Im soo bitter I dont have tje F14 im not playing DCS until I got money for that mod anr an oculus

 And headsets

Im here to stay either way combat mission (total diff genre) is my only other otpiom. I dont f arnd with war thunder and these arcadey games.  I dont discourage tbat easy friend. I apprwciate your concern.

What I WOULD like is for someone or some people to reach 9ut to talk to me personally and maybe meet me to fly online understanding i got no headset and we can fly together at least

Often i get killed because i cant see my 6 and i get shredded. If i had a wingman the enemy would get shot down or Id make it. Etc

My biggest privlem BY FAR is spottingthe enemy at distance. On my laptop screen is almost impossible.

I do attach it to my flat scren. It helps bur any settinga adgice Id like.

I can tell u in like an hr what my settings are

I turned down the alpha as much as u can in game. Made labdscape blurry etc.

Whats the trick to seeing these enemys so far awau. Yes i make use of zoom etc. But i see some guys vids and they see enemies 8 km away and in my 5shoes id nevet see them. If i cud see the enemt like these guys id have gotten a kill by now in MP

Good to know ty.

Also if youre playing SP career... Would u wanna do coop with me? If not interested in PM talking and Ill fly your wingonline?

I have like an hr of work at home in a little bit. Cleaning then free all day.  I appreciate everyomes advice i hope ehret and count zero know I appreciate it.

If visibility is big problem you can always play online on normal servers there is few ppl playing on them online, its good start, as you have icons and all are at same level then with visability and youll learn how to better DF there then on servers with no icons where 90% of kills are when enemy just fly strait.

[Sublime]

6 hours ago, Cpt_Cool said:

Biggest thing nobody has mentioned 

 

The P-40 fuselage fuel tank wrecks performance. Unless you are going for a long flight, 40% fuel is plentyyyy for 90% of MP sorties.

 

 

Thanks yes THIS did occur to me on my own however. Im bad with metric however - but for say the P40 I cut the fuel way down. And the 109 doesnt have legs but mamy other planes do and even in SP ill chop a quarter of a tank off at least. Its all weight..

6 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

If visibility is big problem you can always play online on normal servers there is few ppl playing on them online, its good start, as you have icons and all are at same level then with visability and youll learn how to better DF there then on servers with no icons where 90% of kills are when enemy just fly strait.

Thanks.. I still like wings of liberty etc because theres numbers. I think hard experience eventually will get me there. If not Ill eventually get some kills just bt chance etc. Is what it is.  Im getting older. My eyes prolly suck.

No labels. Never.  I used labels in DCS ans had to stop when I got MP to work after 3 yrs. It was a disaster getting used to spotting without.

No labels. It reinforces a bad habit. I know you mean well but itll hurt me in the end. Some people they help. Me I just need to learn tricks and if theres somerhing like lowering resomution helps drastically or whatever (nothing cheating though) id try it.  Im trying to figurs out how to turn the damn gamma up on my vizio tv the remote isnt working lol.