The Fokker Blues

[No.23_Gaylion]

Fokkers got you down in the dumps, old boy?

 

Indestructible crates... pilots that have chutes when we don't...and altitude throttles giving you the blues?

 

Well, friend, fret no more. Simply look here for a little motivation to get you through that next sortie...

 

https://youtu.be/KPBo8OprACY

Edited March 28, 2019 by US103_Talbot

[Trooper117]

Lower than a big bag of low things...

[Diggun]

You are not a gentleman, sir!

[BMA_West]

Talbot is with the US103 so he knows what it means flying a SPAD;

He is only evening the stakes, guys, most particularly doing that to a Fokker D7f pilot.

Edited March 28, 2019 by West

[HiIIBiIIy]

Shooting the chute is much easier.?

[BMA_West]

Just now, HiIIBiIIy said:

Shooting the chute is much easier.?

 

 Yep, but that is Talbot )))

[No.23_Gaylion]

3 minutes ago, HiIIBiIIy said:

Shooting the chute is much easier.?

Does that work? I thought I had tried it before and it did nothing? 

 

This was my first "wheel kill" though lol. Did a little "speed bump". 

 

Was playing around with the rudder curves which is why it was throwing around even more than it usually does. 

 

I will neither confirm nor deny that I went back and shot at the corpse with a 1911...

[J2_Trupobaw]

33 minutes ago, West said:

Talbot is with the US103 so he knows what it means flying a SPAD;

He is only evening the stakes, guys, most particularly doing that to a Fokker D7f pilot.

Tablot is sticking to one plane out of seven available to him,  which is his personal choice (the plane that leaves all German planes except D.VIIF hopeless, and is best Entente tool to deal with D.VIIF, too). If he's frustrated with it, it's consequence of his gameplay choices. Venting it on other pilots and cultivating "us vs them" mentality only makes the game as frustrating to everyone around as he's making it to himself. 

I had much more respect for 103 until now.

Edited March 28, 2019 by J2_Trupobaw

[Cacodemon96]

Fake. German pilot was a paid actor.

[BMA_West]

10 minutes ago, J2_Trupobaw said:

Tablot is sticking to one plane out of seven available to him,  which is his personal choice (the plane that leaves all German planes except D.VIIF hopeless, and is best Entente tool to deal with D.VIIF, too). If he's frustrated with it, it's consequence of his gameplay choices. Venting it on other pilots and cultivating "us vs them" mentality only makes the game as frustrating to everyone around as he's making it to himself. 
 

 

But Trupo, he is 103 so not much of a choice there while resorting to a chute is throwing the dice cause it leaves you dangling there for quite some time.

Thou maybe a next update may beam them down?

Scottie?

Edited March 28, 2019 by West

[No.23_Gaylion]

30 minutes ago, J2_Trupobaw said:

Tablot is sticking to one plane out of seven available to him,  which is his personal choice (the plane that leaves all German planes except D.VIIF hopeless, and is best Entente tool to deal with D.VIIF, too). If he's frustrated with it, it's consequence of his gameplay choices. Venting it on other pilots and cultivating "us vs them" mentality only makes the game as frustrating to everyone around as he's making it to himself. 

I had much more respect for 103 until now.

 

Are you serious man? 

 

I'm not frustrated at all and I'm having an absolute great time. I'm not "venting" on anyone. If anything, it's for everyone else crying about the D7. And yes, I AM trying to get good at this ONE plane. It's what I chose to do so that I personally can have fun on a very finite amount of personal time. I don't give a crap if you aren't having fun. If you're not having fun it's your fault.

 

I've literally said J30 bombs ophanages and hospital trains multiple times on my "newspaper" and they take it in stride and I love flying with them. In every stream of ours I try to say "I hate JG1". I absolutely dont mean it and it's all in good fun- they even have on their kill board "ricky recon was shot for desertion" and i absolutely love it! Yet one video poking fun at shooting a dude in a parachute creates moral outrage. 

 

The 103rd didnt make that video, I did. Go make some videos of shooting me down (it's quite easy) and I'll laugh at those too. I'll use it as motivation to get better in my ONE plane!

 

I actually had a lot of respect for YOU, up until now.

 

Its a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard.

 

Edited March 28, 2019 by US103_Talbot

[HiIIBiIIy]

26 minutes ago, J2_Trupobaw said:

Tablot is sticking to one plane out of seven available to him,  which is his personal choice (the plane that leaves all German planes except D.VIIF hopeless, and is best Entente tool to deal with D.VIIF, too). If he's frustrated with it, it's consequence of his gameplay choices. Venting it on other pilots and cultivating "us vs them" mentality only makes the game as frustrating to everyone around as he's making it to himself. 

I had much more respect for 103 until now.

"Seven planes" what is the other two?

[Guest deleted@83466]

The response to Talbot is simple:

 

Next time somebody sees "XXX shot down 103_Talbot", make sure you keep firing until you see the message "103_Talbot was killed".

 

Shooting people in chutes in a very disrespectful thing to do, but if he's going to be a jerk and set this precedent (and for the petty reason that he suffers D.VIIF envy!) then just hand it right back to him.  My advice is don't make it a general practice, unless you want to see how unpopular you can be in the multiplayer community, but with people like Talbot, have at it!

[No.23_Gaylion]

Hey serpent, If you hate me in a SPAD wait until I get my two-seater!

[J2_Trupobaw]

2 minutes ago, US103_Talbot said:

 

Are you serious man? 

 

I'm not frustrated at all and I'm having an absolute great time. I'm not "venting" on anyone. If anything, it's for everyone else crying about the D7. And yes, I AM trying to get good at this ONE plane. It's what I chose to do so that I personally can have fun on a very finite amount of personal time. I don't give a crap if you aren't having fun. If you're not having fun it's your fault.

 

I've literally said J30 bombs ophanages and hospital trains multiple times on my "newspaper" and they take it in stride and I love flying with them.  Yet one video poking fun at shooting a dude in a parachute creates moral outrage. 

 

The 103rd didnt make that video, I did. Go make some videos of shooting me down (it's quite easy) and I'll laugh at those too. I'll use it as motivation to get better in my ONE plane!

 

I actually had a lot of respect for YOU, up until now.

 

Its a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard.

 

Sorry, I guess I had way to many experiences with people making serious business of their plane not being auto-win they believed it should, and acting like it gave them licence to insult or belittle people based on what they are flying. Before you notice, jokes end and people become very personal enemies over them.
 

J30 I can't even comment on while staying in posting rules. But I like your allegory.

As of 103 - I know that if if this post came from one of my Kameraden, there would be words, and if not adressed, two of us would not keep flying with same squadron tag for long. People come and go, names change, but squadron tags stay recognizable. 

[No.23_Gaylion]

"It is exceedingly important that observers making successful decents in parachutes should be attacked as they are extremely dangerous to our troops on the ground because of their training"

 

Do you know who wrote that? Do you know where that is from? That was written by Billy Mitchell himself, Chief of the US Air Service, in the Provisional Manual for the Air Service Units. Tell me, do you all have less respect now for the actual US Air Service.

 

Last thing I'll say to all this is: you fucksticks questioning my morals ON A VIDEO GAME better watch your mouth. I served as a US Marine, on the ground, in Fallujah 2005, in combat with honor and decency. Let's see your show cards...

 

Pardon me I've got parachutes to go shoot 

[Zooropa_Fly]

Yeah pop the chute Talbot it's much more sadistic :))

 

Wasn't that just you practicing in QM ?

So you killed a few pixels on your screen then..

[Guest deleted@83466]

18 minutes ago, US103_Talbot said:

Hey serpent, If you hate me in a SPAD wait until I get my two-seater!

 

Oh, I don't hate you.  But if this thread is any indication, I think you might be one of those guys that might perceive himself to be more skilled than he really is.  Come back and talk trash to guys like me when you start getting double digit killstreaks on the north side of 50.  Until then, just stow it.  And even then, still stow it.  Nobody wants to hear it.  Stuff like this isn't good for the popularity of the game.

 

And p.s. I don't care about your military service.  It isn't relavent to this thread or your behavior in a game like this.

Edited March 28, 2019 by SeaSerpent

[No.23_Gaylion]

This was a video of shooting down an AI. 

 

It wasn't directed at anyone personally. You, and others, attacked me personally. 

 

But whatever, I'm laughing. 

Just now, SeaSerpent said:

 

Oh, I don't hate you.  But if this thread is any indication, I think you might be one of those guys that might perceive himself to be more skilled than he really is.  Come back and talk trash when you start getting double digit killsteaks on the north side of 50.

 

And p.s. I don't care about your military service.  It isn't relavent to this thread or your behavior in a game like this.

 

Cool. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

Yeah pop the chute Talbot it's much more sadistic :))

 

Wasn't that just you practicing in QM ?

So you killed a few pixels on your screen then..

 

Exactly.

[J2_Trupobaw]

We are not fighting a war here. We are playing a social video game and interacting with fellow players. People who may switch sides and be flying alongside you next, people you may get teamed up with in online event your squadron is attending (always taking off with your own mates is a luxury) and people you are having discussions with. You're not winning anything by making disrespectful gestures. You're making enemies, and helping make us as a group more fractured and toxic. 

Nothing to be won here.

 

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This was a video of shooting down an AI. 

Ouch. A simple "No players were hurt while making this video" disclamer would save us a lot of trouble.

As long as it's AI, yeah, good fun video :D. Took you long enough.

Edited March 28, 2019 by J2_Trupobaw

[Garven]

13 minutes ago, J2_Trupobaw said:

We are not fighting a war here. We are playing a social video game and interacting with fellow players. People who may switch sides and be flying alongside you next, people you may get teamed up with in online event your squadron is attending (always taking off with your own mates is a luxury) and people you are having discussions with. You're not winning anything by making disrespectful gestures. You're making enemies, and helping make us as a group more fractured and toxic. 

Nothing to be won here.

Then maybe you shouldn't jump when the guys you're fighting can't  :^).  DiD tournaments/campaigns are going to be fun....  I remember getting strafed with a broken prop while flipped over on the ground during FiF and I don't see how this is different.

Edited March 28, 2019 by Garven

[No.23_Gaylion]

5 minutes ago, J2_Trupobaw said:

We are not fighting a war here. We are playing a social video game and interacting with fellow players. People who may switch sides and be flying alongside you next, people you may get teamed up with in online event your squadron is attending (always taking off with your own mates is a luxury) and people you are having discussions with. You're not winning anything by making disrespectful gestures. You're making enemies, and helping make us as a group more fractured and toxic. 

Nothing to be won here.

 

Ouch. A simple "No players were hurt while making this video" disclamer would save us a lot of trouble.

As long as it's AI, yeah, good fun video :D. Took you long enough.

Again, you people are the ones who got upset. 

 

And it took you long enough to tell me it took me long enough!

 

Which also showcases my obvious lack of skill there seaserpent. 

[J2_Trupobaw]

Took you long enough to hit that AI.

And yeah, you did open a can of worms (as illustrated ).

[Guest deleted@83466]

11 minutes ago, US103_Talbot said:

Again, you people are the ones who got upset. 

 

And it took you long enough to tell me it took me long enough!

 

Which also showcases my obvious lack of skill there seaserpent. 

 

I think when you believe you're making a joke, and enough people don't get it, or don't find it all that funny, it might be time to re-think your comedy routine. 

 

You might not have been around in RoF as it transformed from a game where people could fly nightly on Wargrounds, to a game that is now almost entirely limited to specially scheduled events.  It was nothing but toxic vendettas, people making sure the other guy was dead in his seat, just to piss him off, ramming, etc...This is the kind of thing that spelled the end of the good times. 

 

In fact, and I'll just come right out and say it, community douchebaggery is the primary reason why you don't see "FC" in my purchase tags.  I'm not convinced it will be any different in FC.  I hope it is different, and if that's the case, I might buy it still.  But I'll have to see how the multiplayer community turns out, lets, say, a year from now.

Edited March 28, 2019 by SeaSerpent

[No.23_Gaylion]

46 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

The response to Talbot is simple:

 

Next time somebody sees "XXX shot down 103_Talbot", make sure you keep firing until you see the message "103_Talbot was killed".

 

Shooting people in chutes in a very disrespectful thing to do, but if he's going to be a jerk and set this precedent (and for the petty reason that he suffers D.VIIF envy!) then just hand it right back to him.  My advice is don't make it a general practice, unless you want to see how unpopular you can be in the multiplayer community, but with people like Talbot, have at it!

You mean like this right here SS???

[Diggun]

29 minutes ago, US103_Talbot said:

This was a video of shooting down an AI.

Oh cool, so it's only a video of you pretending to murder a simulated defenceless pilot in cold blood. Classy.

[No.23_Triggers]

Are people seriously that offended by this?! Wow...good luck in the DiD events...

[No.23_Gaylion]

1 minute ago, J2_Trupobaw said:

Took you long enough to hit that AI.

And yeah, you did open a can of worms (as illustrated ).

 

You should have seen how long it took for me to get it to flame! 

 

But I conveniently edited all that out of course...

[Garven]

Just now, US103_Larner said:

Are people seriously that offended by this?! Wow...good luck in the DiD events...

Gonna be saltier than Sodom and Gomorrah.

[J2_Trupobaw]

10 minutes ago, Garven said:

Then maybe you shouldn't jump when the guys your fighting can't  :^).  DiD tournaments/campaigns are going to be fun....  I remember getting strafed with a broken prop while flipped over on the ground during FiF and I don't see how this is different.

By jumping, you ceade the victory - enemy pilot gets the kill. In most situations, enemy gets nothing from chute-killing you.

In DiD, there are rules for capturing pilots. The German airspace in DiD is likely the only place where chute-killing will be justifiable (as it was historically).

[Guest deleted@83466]

5 minutes ago, US103_Talbot said:

You mean like this right here SS???

 

Yep, that's exactly what I mean.  You shoot me in my chute, I chute you in your chute.  That's how it starts.  You pissed me off, I piss you off.  Hatfields vs McCoys.  It's not a good thing.

 

I guess in your way of thinking, you ought to be able to shoot somebody in their chute, and piss them off, but if they respond in kind, then they are to blame for the toxicity, not you???

Edited March 28, 2019 by SeaSerpent

[No.23_Gaylion]

You assume that I would be upset about it....

 

You know what they say about assuming....

[J2_Trupobaw]

2 minutes ago, US103_Larner said:

Are people seriously that offended by this?! Wow...good luck in the DiD events...

While killing helpless opponents in DiD is business as usual, I don't remember one case when someone made video of that to rub it in victims face on the forums. Not even J30 :). Like said before, the "No human pilots were hurt" disclaimer was badly missing.

[No.23_Triggers]

Just now, J2_Trupobaw said:

While killing helpless opponents in DiD is business as usual, I don't remember one case when someone made video of that to rub it in victims face on the forums. Not even J30 :). Like said before, the "No human pilots were hurt" disclaimer was badly missing.

Neither will that video be made by Talbot, or anyone else...

[Guest deleted@83466]

1 minute ago, US103_Talbot said:

You assume that I would be upset about it....

 

You know what they say about assuming....

 

You might not be upset about it, but trust you me, people WILL be upset when things like this happens.  That's not an assumption, it's something I know to be true.  And you can mock them, or think they are over-sensitive, or say they take the game too seriously, or whatever, but that's how it is.  Just because you don't care, doesn't mean that other people wont care.  And if the toxicity level of the multiplayer environment becomes too great, they will leave the game because of it.  Trust me on this:  Don't set the ball off rolling in this direction.  Don't be that guy.

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

Talbot, some people just can't understand or appreciate your tongue in cheek sense of humor so you won't win any debates here.

 

Next time try chopping the parachutist up with your prop. Btw, I appreciate your service  BOOYAH !!!

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

Wow...nice little firestorm here! I think it all depends on the context. In open servers, I personally will 100% try to knock a pilot outta commission until I get the kill message. After that, I leave him to land...if he still can. Like @Garven mentioned, Flanders in Flames is a whole different deal. Dead pilots don't respawn, so I have been known to strafe downed pilots dead in the interests of my team. Unless they're behind our lines of course. At that point they'll be captured, so why waste the ammo? ;) 

 

Some of the personal attacks on Talbot here I think are less than deserved. While I agree that the whole "I hate JG1" and the "dirty Bosche" thing from the 103rd rubs me the wrong way sometimes, Talbot is a fun dude to fly with/against. And it's been cool to see him consistently getting better in the SPAD. :) 
 

[J2_Trupobaw]

1 minute ago, US103_Larner said:

Neither will that video be made by Talbot, or anyone else...

Well, we didn't know that. And the way most people automatically assumed it's multiplayer footage shows how volatile the subject is. 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

14 minutes ago, JG1_Hotlead_J10 said:

Wow...nice little firestorm here! I think it all depends on the context. In open servers, I personally will 100% try to knock a pilot outta commission until I get the kill message. After that, I leave him to land...if he still can. Like @Garven mentioned, Flanders in Flames is a whole different deal. Dead pilots don't respawn, so I have been known to strafe downed pilots dead in the interests of my team. Unless they're behind our lines of course. At that point they'll be captured, so why waste the ammo?

 

Some of the personal attacks on Talbot here I think are less than deserved. While I agree that the whole "I hate JG1" and the "dirty Bosche" thing from the 103rd rubs me the wrong way sometimes, Talbot is a fun dude to fly with/against. And it's been cool to see him consistently getting better in the SPAD.
 

 

Bull.  The feedback Talbot is getting is 100% deserved.  Defending this kind of stuff is just another way of enabling it, and risking that the FC community suffers from the same toxins that plagued RoF.  You don't want that do you?  Flying Circus gives the community a chance to 'Reset".

 

I strafed a guy or two in Flanders in Flames.  I felt that in retrospect, I shouldn't have, even if it did help my side.  Like anyone else, the guy had set two hours of his Saturday aside to play FiF, and I'm going to strafe him on the ground so he can't play?  I wouldn't have hesitated to do it if the guy had a history of being a jerk to me, but that wasn't the case here.  Nowadays, I'm of the understanding that some events don't even do DiD anymore, but only dead for 15 minutes, because they can't find enough people to play!!!!  So not only is it disrespectful, it's totally self-defeating even in a tournament event.  In the recent TAW in Il-2 had two opportunities to strafe guys in chutes, and I just didn't do it.  Real fighter pilots frown upon it in real wars, where countries are at stake and millions are dying.  Is it something that we really need to do in a video game?

Edited March 28, 2019 by SeaSerpent

[SYN_Haashashin]

Hi all,

 

All I gonna say is to keep the discussion civil. Its seems some of you need to step back from the forum for a minute before posting.

 

Deleted several posts.

 

Haash