190 D9 Emergency mode

[Willy__]

What you guys think about the new D9 ? I took it for spin to test it out but Im confused, the specifications card says 1.7 ata emergency at 3250 rpm without MW50 but my plane does not reach such ata, but when I activate the MW50 I'm able to get the 1.8 ata/3250 rpm like said in the card.... anyone having similar problem ?

 

I dont know why, but pushing the throttle fully forward my plane does not enter in to emergency-mode, and if I press the boost button it toggles the MW50.... maybe an oversight on the release ?

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

It depends on the supercharger, at low altitude with the first supercharger speed, without MW 50 full throttle maxes out at 1.5 ata (combat power). For emergency power without MW 50 it has to be in the second supercharger speed ( it switches at 3500 meters).

At least that's how it works in game, I don't know how it's supposed to be IRL. I guess @JtD knows more about this.

I also noticed that while the engine is set up for 1.8 ata, with MW 50 once the supercharger switches to second gear, the engine goes to 2.0 ata from 3500 to 5000 meters, then it starts to drop down.

[danielprates]

I took it for more than just a spin: i did some dogfighting against AI p47s (I know, I know). I too was left wondering about some operational features. The first is the apparent absence of an emergency mode (although it would seem I got to emergency mode at one point, don't know what I did to achieve that though), but also some other interesting things:

 

1 - It is a constant speed propeller, but apparently you can't set it to a specific rotation!  Is it automated to be always in 'optimum' mode? 

2 - The cowlflaps for the water radiator are controllable, but they also seem to obey to some automated input. I experimented opening and closing them in several situations, my impression is that they would open and close slightly on their own accord, regardless of how i would set them. 

 

Also ... a wooden propeller? I did a belly landing and the damage graphics seem to imply that the blades are made of wood, as all blades broke off, leaving wooden splinters. 

 

In any case... phew! What a machine. Fast, nimble, powerful guns... I would say that until the p51 comes along, the Dora is as yet unmatched.

[=621=Samikatz]

19 minutes ago, danielprates said:

Also ... a wooden propeller? I did a belly landing and the damage graphics seem to imply that the blades are made of wood, as all blades broke off, leaving wooden splinters.

 

Metal is a precious resource! In 1944 the Luftwaffe didn't really have the budget for luxuries

[Voyager]

I'm given to understand that the paddle bladed propellers for the 190's were all wooden props

[CountZero]

im not even able to go in emergancy 3min mode like its in spec, only by presing boost at low alt i see emergancy, also it says 607kmh at sea level with 50% fuel and closed rads and boost on, but on stalingrad autum map i get max to 597kmh with that setup. Also for combat i get 557kmh on sea level insted whats said in specs 565kmh.

 

I look in caeroplane_fw_190_d9.txt with extractor, and this is what it says for top speeds:

 

50% fuel, 100% trottle and boost on, rad 0%
0m  =  607kmh   
1000=625
2000=642
3000=639     
4000=673
5000=693
5200=694
6000=688      
7000=679
8000=667
9000=650

 

Edited March 18, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

28 minutes ago, danielprates said:

I took it for more than just a spin: i did some dogfighting against AI p47s (I know, I know). I too was left wondering about some operational features. The first is the apparent absence of an emergency mode (although it would seem I got to emergency mode at one point, don't know what I did to achieve that though), but also some other interesting things:

 

1 - It is a constant speed propeller, but apparently you can't set it to a specific rotation!  Is it automated to be always in 'optimum' mode? 

2 - The cowlflaps for the water radiator are controllable, but they also seem to obey to some automated input. I experimented opening and closing them in several situations, my impression is that they would open and close slightly on their own accord, regardless of how i would set them. 

 

Also ... a wooden propeller? I did a belly landing and the damage graphics seem to imply that the blades are made of wood, as all blades broke off, leaving wooden splinters. 

 

In any case... phew! What a machine. Fast, nimble, powerful guns... I would say that until the p51 comes along, the Dora is as yet unmatched.

 

To activate the MW 50 you have to use the boost button like in the P-47 for example. Yeah looks like Jumo engines used wooden propellers (like Ju 88/Ju 87/He 111).

The radiator is automatic, and with the control input you are changing which water temperature the radiator will regulate, with lower being hotter. For example at 0% the shutters will mantain a water temperature of 100ºC, with 30% they will mantain 90ºC. Since both water and oil radiators are in the cowling the shutters affect both temperatures (but it's only regulated by water temp).

At low altitudes with 0% you are set up. But at medium /high altitudes when the engine can't give full manifold pressure (before the second speed kicks in at 3000 meters, and above 6K above second speed critical altitude), it is better to have it set to around 35%, this makes the oil temp at around 120ºC (with 0% it climbs to 130ºC), and looks like the engine is more efficient and the plane goes faster (using 35% while the engine gives full manifold pressure gives a speed penalization though, maybe the drag of the shutters counters the higher engine efficiency).

Also the D-9 has a lot of pitch up moment, so full nose down stabilizer gives a higher top speed.

Edited March 18, 2019 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[CountZero]

10 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

...

Also the D-9 has a lot of pitch up moment, so full nose down stabilizer gives a higher top speed.

Thanks that did the trick, i can now get speeds they say in specs, with -100% stab

[[URU]Panzer-uy]

First Impressions about FW 190 D9 Dora.   ( Flight model and Engine )

Something about it feels right to me.

WOW !

[danielprates]

1 hour ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

The radiator is automatic, and with the control input you are changing which water temperature the radiator will regulate, with lower being hotter. For example at 0% the shutters will mantain a water temperature of 100ºC, with 30% they will mantain 90ºC. Since both water and oil radiators are in the cowling the shutters affect both temperatures (but it's only regulated by water temp).

At low altitudes with 0% you are set up. But at medium /high altitudes when the engine can't give full manifold pressure (before the second speed kicks in at 3000 meters, and above 6K above second speed critical altitude), it is better to have it set to around 35%, this makes the oil temp at around 120ºC (with 0% it climbs to 130ºC), and looks like the engine is more efficient and the plane goes faster (using 35% while the engine gives full manifold pressure gives a speed penalization though, maybe the drag of the shutters counters the higher engine efficiency).

 

Oh this is interesting! You do not regulate the flaps position, but rather, the temperature you want, and the system manages the flaps. interesting! 

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

yes and this is really missing in the D9 specification text...

[[URU]Panzer-uy]

14 minutes ago, danielprates said:

 

Oh this is interesting! You do not regulate the flaps position, but rather, the temperature you want, and the system manages the flaps. interesting! 

it's a Beta Bug,  in external 3D. 

 

[Voidhunger]

Is the mw50 effective in Dora on the second gear above 3000m?

 

And how you operate the throttle at higher alt? Ata is changing too much that its almost imposible to have 1.51ata as a combat power.

[Psyrion]

6 hours ago, StaB/Tomio_VR*** said:

yes and this is really missing in the D9 specification text...

No its not?

[III/JG2Gustav05]

Why the engine smoke is so strong? it can be very easily spotted by enemy from distance.

[Guest deleted@50488]

[EDITED]

I thought the MW-50 would engage automatically through positioning of the throttle full forward ?

And it does ingame too, provided you activate the necessary switch, so it's correct and I was just missing it...

 

Also, the pitching moment is never I read about regarding the D-9. Actually it was also described as an aircraft that flew mostly with permanent neutral trim over a wide range of speeds and loads ?

And with the small update released on March 18, it's now much better, probably actually correct ( ? ) 

Edited March 20, 2019 by jcomm

[Semor76]

9 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

 

The radiator is automatic, and with the control input you are changing which water temperature the radiator will regulate, with lower being hotter. For example at 0% the shutters will mantain a water temperature of 100ºC, with 30% they will mantain 90ºC. Since both water and oil radiators are in the cowling the shutters affect both temperatures (but it's only regulated by water temp).

At low altitudes with 0% you are set up. But at medium /high altitudes when the engine can't give full manifold pressure (before the second speed kicks in at 3000 meters, and above 6K above second speed critical altitude), it is better to have it set to around 35%, this makes the oil temp at around 120ºC (with 0% it climbs to 130ºC), and looks like the engine is more efficient and the plane goes faster (using 35% while the engine gives full manifold pressure gives a speed penalization though, maybe the drag of the shutters counters the higher engine efficiency).

 

Can somebody tell me how to set those speeds? I can`t find any Button(s) for this nor is a lever or gauge animated in the cockpit.

 

 

[KingstonDE]

Hi gents,

 

as far as i understand the working of the D-9 Cooling is automatic. You can manual overwrite the automatic and open or close them. To activate the automatic again

you need to close the rads completly till the temps raise, than the automatic will go in again. Also the MW50 is to activate like the Notleistung  in the A8.

Some other tip on flying  the FW D-9 or other FW typs: Set your powersettings ( cruise, combat, etc. ) over rpm.

 

regards

 

Little_D

 

[Semor76]

36 minutes ago, 1./JG2_Little_D said:

 

 

as far as i understand the working of the D-9 Cooling is automatic. You can manual overwrite the automatic and open or close them. To activate the automatic again

you need to close the rads completly till the temps raise, than the automatic will go in again.

Little_D

 

That´s ok,the question is how?

[KatieLuna]

As a quick aside:

can someone tell me all the possible modifications? I haven’t the time to download it yet but I’m sure excited for it!

[Semor76]

6 minutes ago, TheTacticalCat said:

As a quick aside:

can someone tell me all the possible modifications? I haven’t the time to download it yet but I’m sure excited for it!

 

[JonRedcorn]

36 minutes ago, Semor76 said:

That´s ok,the question is how?

With the same button as all the other planes. The knib that turns is hard to see but it's right above the very bottom row of guages. 

[CountZero]

49 minutes ago, Semor76 said:

That´s ok,the question is how?

 

You set desired temp with your rads close or open keys, but i dont see any marker on temp gauges, but when you set 0% rads and fly for 10-20min on max if you look from outside view you will see how rads will open and close a little by little, and then you can again rais rads % and they will react, or just leve it like that and they automaticly control them self.

Edited March 19, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[Semor76]

19 minutes ago, JonRedcorn said:

With the same button as all the other planes. The knib that turns is hard to see but it's right above the very bottom row of guages. 

I know. The D-9 is one of my all time favourite planes and  I know the cockpit layout well. The problem is I can´t  move the cowling flaps manually. How about to

set the speeds for the cowl flaps? Are they setted by the thrust lever?

 

Edit. I fly without tech chat all the time.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Semor76

[CountZero]

2 minutes ago, Semor76 said:

I know. The D-9 is one of my all time favourite planes and  I know the cockpit layout well. The problem is I can´t  move the cowling flaps manually. How about set the speeds for the cowl flaps? Are they setted by the thrust lever?

did you try watter radiators key

[SCG_ErwinP]

12 hours ago, Willy__ said:

What you guys think about the new D9 ?

 

It's much dependent of right rudder pedal;
It's much responsive;
When in low energy state, the Ju 213 do not "push" the airplane;
It has a sensitive nose;
It tends to get nose up even with -100 trim;
I think it's a different from Anton (In my mind, they could be very very similar but my first impression is that I was wrong);

I flyed on it for just few minutes. If has anyone a different opinion, share it with us.

 

Overall, I'm still learning to fly.

 

Edit:

The Ju213 sounds is fantastic;

Buble canopy is better than regular;

The Revi 16B is more easy to use than EZ 42 Gyro Gunsight

Edited March 19, 2019 by EWilhelmPaulus

[Semor76]

Just now, 77.CountZero said:

did you try watter radiators key

yup. And all my other settings for water radiators for all other planes too. No movement, not in cockpit,not outside.

[CountZero]

Just now, Semor76 said:

yup. And all my other settings for water radiators for all other planes too. No movement, not in cockpit,not outside.

Watter radiators shutters control axis, is what you need to have to open and close them, thats how it works for me and i can see them opening and closing

[BlitzPig_EL]

Indeed, I have my radiator shutters  bound to a lever on my CH quadrant and moving the lever opens and closes the cowl shutters on the 190D as described.  It is the same axis I use to control radiators on all other aircraft that use that binding.  NOTE: This is not the cowl outlet binding, but the one for coolant radiators.

Edited March 19, 2019 by BlitzPig_EL

[Semor76]

11 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

Watter radiators shutters control axis, is what you need to have to open and close them, thats how it works for me and i can see them opening and closing

LooL. Not on my side. No movement here. I feel a bit like an idiot. Did I have to switch from auto to manual mode first?

[SJ_Butcher]

To my opinion this is the most accurate fw190 I have seen in any other sim implemented, the 1.8 ata reflect perfectly the trials the germans did below production conditions using B4 fuel + MW50 reaching the maximum speed according to my books, now as much as I love to see another variant unlocked with C3 fuel, according to Dietmar Hermann there is no evidence that Germans used C3 fuel + MW50 to unlock 2,02 ata in that plane...

[Ribbon]

3 hours ago, III/JG2Gustav05 said:

Why the engine smoke is so strong? it can be very easily spotted by enemy from distance.

Yup, was flying on Berloga yesterday.....when you see black contrail it's Dora.....was picking my fights on them mostly, i call it girl with a long black hair ?

 

Was flying Dora in QMB and it's beautiful plane, i noticed when going high on trottle with low speed it have tendency to roll left and pitch up (-100 stabilizer) but when speed is achieved it is way more stable in level flight but still pitch up a bit.

Also flight controls on 500-700kph are nicely responsive, i have a feeling a can outturn Spit on those speeds without problem.

[CountZero]

21 minutes ago, Semor76 said:

LooL. Not on my side. No movement here. I feel a bit like an idiot. Did I have to switch from auto to manual mode first?

its not posible to switch auto/manual. I dont know what els to say, try to put key on any control you see that is for radiators or cowlings 

[PatrickAWlson]

Amazed at how smooth it is.  Seems to have no bad habits.  Even without the extra 2 20mm it still packs enough of a punch to easily take down an A20 in a single pass. 

[303_Kwiatek]

Pitch up tendency even with 100% nose down ( 2 degree ) is questionable.  D-9 got longer fuselage and nose should be even more stable then Anton. In other sim D-9 need only about 0,5-1 degree nose down to fly level with no pitch up tendency.   Other things looks in BOX D-9 superb.  I like more prone to spin tendency then in other sim.

Edited March 19, 2019 by 303_Kwiatek

[Blackhawk_FR]

It's driving me crazy to read you about Dora (I have to wait friday to try it).

[BlitzPig_EL]

The 190D may just be my favorite Luftwaffe bird, and one that I would actually choose to fly, rather than just grudgingly take a 109 if I had to.  Why?  Well it's very well rounded performance wise, has good guns, and, I CAN SEE OUT OF IT!!!!!!  Such a revelation after feeling like being stuffed into a tiny dark closet in a straight jacket (Bf109).  I also like it's high speed control authority.

A very usable performance envelope.

[Guest deleted@134347]

Berloga was surely fun last night.

 

I love this new 190 d9.  The sound in the cockpit alone stands out above all other planes. Combined with some moderate bass shakers under my seat the bassy engine by far sounds as the most realistic out of all other planes.  The weathered cockpit textures make it look like it's been through some rough times, which just adds to the immersion. Lovely, lovely representation.

[Tapi]

I flew only a few sorties against AI (Ace level) Spit IX in QMB at low to middle level and though I finally managed to shoot it down, Spit IX is a tough oponent: seems it climbs better and turns better than Dora.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Tapi

[Tyberan]

I like it, this is my favourite aircraft after the ME262 so im extremely happy with bodenplatte. Things I noticed different to the A8 is that the engine is super torque during roll out and take off, this is very similar to how its setup in that other sim that I wont name. I found it a bit of a handful during takeoff. 

 

Landings are some what more difficult due to the long nose but thats why we like the Dora, so wont complain about that. I actually ground looped on my first landing which I haven't done in a while. I found climing was pretty fast as well, but I didnt realise that full down trim gives higher speed I'll need to try that again. The guns are very powerful, love it. 

 

I found turning very similar to how the A5 was when it first came out, I didnt seem to get the buffeting right before it opposite rolled, but I was able to recover pretty well.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Tyberan