about spasm, pain and broken joystick

[Voidhunger]

I really  like WW1 birds but the constant forward push of the joystick you have to make is so annoying. I know that few of these planes had elevator trim, but not all. I have spasm, pain in the arm and my joystick howls in agony when i fly. I would like to have an option to have " forced" trim help in the difficulty setting.

[Cynic_Al]

If you search this forum (preferably with Google) you'll discover that this subject has been discussed to exhaustion, with the exception of one aspect, namely that of joystick deadzones.

At least one popular joystick, the Logitech Extreme 3d Pro, is configured with un-removable deadzones around the centres of the pitch, roll and yaw axes. This means that if one is flying a perfectly trimmed plane straight and level,  one's ability to make fine pitch adjustments for aiming the guns will be significantly compromised. Conversely, if one is applying constant forward pressure to achieve level pitch,  the controller will be operating outside its deadzone thus eliminating the problem at least for pitch control.

[BlueHeron]

The CH Fighterstick has hardware elevator and aileron trim dials built in, so you can reduce forward stick pressure for any game regardless of whether the in-game plane supports trim.  Should solve your problem. 

 

[Voidhunger]

1 hour ago, Cynic_Al said:

If you search this forum (preferably with Google) you'll discover that this subject has been discussed to exhaustion, with the exception of one aspect, namely that of joystick deadzones.

At least one popular joystick, the Logitech Extreme 3d Pro, is configured with un-removable deadzones around the centres of the pitch, roll and yaw axes. This means that if one is flying a perfectly trimmed plane straight and level,  one's ability to make fine pitch adjustments for aiming the guns will be significantly compromised. Conversely, if one is applying constant forward pressure to achieve level pitch,  the controller will be operating outside its deadzone thus eliminating the problem at least for pitch control.

OK thanks, Its good that Im not alone.

[Muff_Huggar]

I don't fly sims for the historical aspect of any of it...I know, blasphemy. So I wonder. In real life, if a good pilot had some injury or disability, wouldn't the engineers and ground crew try to design something specifically for that pilot to assist with overcoming the disability? Or would they just ground him because he couldn't fly the plane "right?" Now you've got me thinking about something that could be 3D printed/machined that would attach to the joystick and provide a mechanical artificial trim adjustment so we don't have to exclude people with disabilities.

[J2_Trupobaw]

Putting the stick on horisontal surface (adjustable so you can "rig" the elevator) seems like what you're after.

The problem is not noticable with MSFFB2, where center is dictated by stick forces, not geometry. CH sticks have hardware trims, too. 

[CAFulcrum]

If you can manage it, remove the spring or compress it with zip ties.  Takes a little bit to get used to the lack of resistance but you'll be flying the planes in a much more realistic manner; the stick was more of a 'floating control' than something with a defined center.  I played for a while with a 'desprung' saitek av8r until getting a sidewinder msffb2 which (forcefeedback) is the ideal way to go.

[Rattlesnake]

Hello, just noticed this topic. I have a Sidewinder FFB and while I like the feedback strength at 100% for sensitive WWII control surfaces I bring it down to 50% when playing FC. It seems like there is either more resistance or you are constantly using bigger inputs in FC.

EDIT: 30% seems about golden in the Spad with further experimentation. It's much easier to shoot accurately at high speeds when holding the nose down isn't a wrestling match.

Edited April 26, 2019 by Rattlesnake

[limeymcscrote]

If you have the TM Warthog you can use the Target program to set up a profile with a J curve on the Y axis for WWI planes. BoX will detect it as a new joystick and transfer your button settings, then transfer them back when you're not using it.

 

[OG_FC]

Does anyone have some decent numbers for the S curve & J Curve  in the thrust master software that would be willing to share, I find the Pitch is way over sensitive and has given more issues trying to maintain flight while fighting almost unflyable for me.  Thanks In advance.. Blue Skies OG_FC

[limeymcscrote]

I'm using a J curve on the Y axis of: Control Position = 2, Value = 1

 

[Voidhunger]

19 hours ago, Plank said:

 

First thing you might want to consider is that you are probably doing a repetitive action with

A) no warming up and B) underdeveloped muscles. ( If you are older and don't work out etc ...)

 

This can cause serious problems!

Repetitive strain injury etc.

 

Barring your stick and the game and long hours in flight etc  you should really need to consider

doing some EXERCISES to strengthen the muscles you are using in game. And other related muscle groups.

 

At times I get a sore elbow and a tendon/muscle strain that comes and goes.

I use a heating ointment ( deep heat ) and do exercises ( boxing/jujitsu/lifting etc )

this really really helps. Really really.

 

If you love flying and plan on flying a lot you need to consider what physical

development you need to do. It's a thing. yep. It's what it costs.

 

(Anecdote:  I had a borrowed  ute with a long straight pull handbrake and I yanked on that thing at every park and

totaled my left arm to the point where I could not pull the handbrake on anymore, I was an idiot...)

 

Hope this helps! ( yes I know it's not a technical fix but...it will help.)

 

S!

 

Planky.

 

 

Nice?, Im trying to do some exercises and I have to because I have Ankylosing spondylitis, but simple technical aid in difficulty settings would be nice.

 

[B12]

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Hi Voidhunger
 

I have advanced Ankylosing spondylitis too, my wrists are not so good either and because of my AS spine disease that makes it fragile, suffered a broken neck 2 years ago after a silly short fall home accident that left me lucky enough to still enjoy Flight Sims, but mainly to still be able to use my limbs ... I can still walk, though its not as easy as it used to be ... my head is now fused solid with two titanium rods fixed to my spine permanently, it cant move any-more and never will now, the hardware is in my neck and spine for good.

I suffer from sore wrists too as part of my AS, especially in the winter, have found magnet wrist bands help ... but I digress.

I use a Virpil T-50 Mongoose base with an extension and with the TM Warthog stick grip, this is a brilliant combo IMHO, also with the Virpil base, you can actually with a suitable flat bladed screwdriver, slacken off the pitch (and roll if you want) tension, have not tried slackening off the pitch spring tension yet but will test soon, only recently became aware this might help me in stick fwd pressure for ROF and FC, you will still get the stick registering in the slack axis as normal, just not get the high spring pressure that was never really designed for WW1 birds with no trim.

All modern PC USB stics are a compromise for different situations IMHO.

Food for thought for I hope.

My aftermath of Ankylosing Spondylitis easily induced easily broken neck, LOL

 

https://i.imgur.com/JZTxLLG.jpg