PoppaCapnurass Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) Recommend me some rudder pedals Hi team, [Edit: Thanks for all your help:I purchase some Crosswinds. I will receive then mid March] I currently own the Logitech X52 Pro HOTAS and am strongly considering purchasing a set of rider pedals. I don't plan on paying on my current HOTAS for some time as I have two sets die to a warranty replacement. Currently for pedals I'm looking at some VKB T-rudder mk iv as they have some good reviews online, are affordable and seem to be a good price. Currently I'm playing DCS (A-10C, F/18, F/14, KA50), IL-2 and occasionally Arma 3. Is anyone else using these pedals or could the team advise me on something similar? I'malso looking art three Thrustmaster TPR pendular rudder but they come at quite a high cost. Edited February 27, 2019 by Poppa
von_Tom Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) MFG Crosswinds Expensive but bomb proof. Weirdly when I first received mine I wasn't that impressed, but over time I have to come to realise how good they are. von Tom Edited February 22, 2019 by von_Tom 1
Hanu Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 MFG Crosswinds are best pedals I've used and I have had Simpeds, CH pedals, Saitek Combat pedals. 1
6FG_Big_Al Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 I am using the Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder. I know they are cheap but i like them.
-332FG-Gordon200 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 Another vote for MFG Crosswind pedals. The VKB pedals are very good, durable and accurate. However, they do not have toe brakes. You'll need to bind a key for braking to the rudder as in a Spit or 109. Easy to set up and operate once you have developed a muscle memory for steering. VKB has a program for 'differential braking' but I didn't find it necessary to use it as with IL*2 settings I had no problem.
9./JG27golani79 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 Love my MFG Crosswinds - cant go wrong with them!
WheelwrightPL Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Poppa said: Recommend me some rudder pedals Currently for pedals I'm looking at some VKB T-rudder mk iv as they have some good reviews online, are affordable and seem to be a good price. Currently I'm playing DCS (A-10C, F/18, F/14, KA50), IL-2 and occasionally Arma 3. I have used those VKBs for almost a year and I am generally satisfied with them. However they are my first and only rudders so I have no point of reference whatsoever. VKBs make most sense if you have a small computer desk because they are compact and narrow. Also, as opposed to other rudders, you press on them top-bottom by resting your heel on the floor and pushing-down with the ball of your foot. This is how helicopter rudders operate which are more precise than airplane rudders (because helis need precise and quick counter-torque movements in sidewind situations and have no vertical stabilizer). On the downside VKBs have no toe brakes (which I guess are nice but for me personally in no way a a showstopper when flying IL2 BoS because I use cursor-keys for quick stabs on the brakes).
fiddlinjim Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) I fly VR exclusively and have a set of MFG crosswinds and they are tops. I an able to avoid a skid while turning with little effort and the flying accuracy of the MFGs is excellent. Any pedals without toe brakes are in my opinion not worth purchasing as a taxi with any of the German fighters and especially FW190 ls almost possible. The coming P-51 also requires toe brakes to taxi correctly. With the current crop of WWII fighters including DCS only the Spitfire can taxi without toe brakes. However to be very open I used Thrustmaster pedals for several years and never had any complaints with them. The MFG's are smoother and more accurate but cost and delivery are a large item. Edited February 22, 2019 by fiddlinjim left out info
HunDread Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 +1 on MFG Crosswind Before I had a Saitek Rudder pedal then a Thrustmaster TFRP but the Crosswind is in a different league.
Sokol1 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) Quote Currently for pedals I'm looking at some VKB T-rudder mk iv as they have some good reviews online, are affordable and seem to be a good price. T-Rudder is good "bang per buck" rudder pedals, solid and precise, design - although looks strange, is optimized for use in office chair, with up-down operation instead back and forth of traditional pedals. An steep above "entry-level" models (TFRP, CH PRO, Saitek PRO). If you don't have previous experience with rudder pedals will adapt fast with T-Rudder up-down mechanism. I use T-Rudder MK.II and this feature is very convenient for me (conventional office chair), this (up-down) operation allow me driver vehicles in ARMA3 with foots. The lack of "toe brakes" is not practical issue in IL-2:GB because this game allow user "differential brakes" (press wheel brakes and move rudder bar) in any plane. In DCS T-Link software became necessary. BTW - Pedal market "resume" by price ranges: Up to $100 - Thrustmaster TFRP PRO: low cost, can be integrated in TWCS throttle. CON: - very narrow, no adjustable, use of potentiometer.$ 100-150 - CH PRO Pedal PRO: low cost and very good durability - samples made in 90's still usable. CON: narrow (8") a bit more wider than TFRP, no adjustable, "obsolete" (8 bits) electronics, use of potentiometer (but quality is good),$ 150- 200 - Logitech (Saitek) PRO Flight Rudder Pedals: PRO: Friction and foot rest length adjustable. CONS: use of potentiometer, expensive for what offer, is the pedal with more related failures (pot's, brakes...).$ 200 - 250 - VKB T- Rudder PRO: CAM center system, adjustable, precise - contactless sensor, bearings on pivots, all metal construction. Heels on floor. Can be integrated in VKB joysticks. CON: strange unique look, perhaps a bit narrow for "big belly" persons, no hardware brakes - "differential brakes" by T-Link software , what use is not required in IL-2:GB because game allow use "differential brakes" in any plane.$ 250 - 300 - MFG Crosswind (probable best "bang per buck"). PRO: CAM center system, adjustable, precise - contactless sensor, bearings on pivots, durable material (composite) construction. Can be modified - relatively easy, for heel on floor with 3D Printed of DIY (metal, wood) "combat footrest". CON: Queue. $ 300 - 500 - Thrustmaster TPR PRO: Adjustable, precise - contactless sensor, bearings on pivots, all metal construction, allow heels on floor. CON: Price, technically speaking the use of old pincers center system, but no complains about "feel" by users.>$ 500 - Slaw Viper RX PRO: CAM center system, precise - contactless sensor, adjustable, bearings on pivots, all metal construction, brakes with progressive resistance, easy install damper. Heels on floor. CON: Queue, price. Edited February 23, 2019 by Sokol1
Dagwoodyt Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 I have TM TPR pedals, but set up such that my feet are at level of pedal bases. Great toes get all the action, others idle. The set up gives very fine control with zip foot movement. I have brakes on a joystick axis so i don't use the pedal toe brakes.
Piekarz Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 I was using MFGs but now I'm using VKB-T-IV. I have a small room to fly around and often need to "place everything back to hangar" so I go for the VKB. They are very good but have low centering force for my taste, so my setup is strong centering force and hard CAM it's great but You have noticeable click at the center. I don't mind the toe brakes cause I've analog brake on stick but let's see how it will work with upcoming P-51. MFGs allows to set gradually strong sprig force unlike VKBs. MFGs are flipping when You put one feet on them if you don't have them velcroed, MFGs don't have comfortable heel rests but it's easy too DIY one. Some people uses MFGs with "heels on the floor" also. Both sets are great if You need more compact setup go for VKB. If You have Gunfighter or Gladiator You can have stick and rudder under one USB connected to stick box.
PoppaCapnurass Posted February 22, 2019 Author Posted February 22, 2019 Thanks all. Given I would like a toe break, nice smooth operation and adjustable pedal width and can afford them, I have ordered the MFG Crossfire pedals. My office chair is nieces and wide as is my desk which is about 150cm at least so three pedals should fit well and allow me many hours of comfortable gameplay. Thanks again. I hope to be to review how I best on with them okkn face they arrive sometime after the 4th March. 1
dburne Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Poppa said: Thanks all. Given I would like a toe break, nice smooth operation and adjustable pedal width and can afford them, I have ordered the MFG Crossfire pedals. My office chair is nieces and wide as is my desk which is about 150cm at least so three pedals should fit well and allow me many hours of comfortable gameplay. Thanks again. I hope to be to review how I best on with them okkn face they arrive sometime after the 4th March. Congrats! I think you will be well pleased.
SCG_Tzigy Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 MFG have 2 sets.. Had Saitek Combat, CH, Thrustmaster Elite
Sokol1 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, Piekarz said: I don't mind the toe brakes cause I've analog brake on stick but let's see how it will work with upcoming P-51. In IL-2:GB P-51 brakes will work in your setup ( analog brake in stick + rudder pedal) in the same way that work for Bf 109 now.
HunDread Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 9:03 PM, Poppa said: Thanks all. Given I would like a toe break, nice smooth operation and adjustable pedal width and can afford them, I have ordered the MFG Crossfire pedals. My office chair is nieces and wide as is my desk which is about 150cm at least so three pedals should fit well and allow me many hours of comfortable gameplay. Thanks again. I hope to be to review how I best on with them okkn face they arrive sometime after the 4th March. Congrats! Be prepared to fasten it on the floor somehow because it's flipping over easily when placing one foot on. Mine is screwed on a wooden board that has the same width as the pedals. Perfect.
BP_Lizard Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Also check out Baur BRD-F3. Contactless, magnetic sensors. Built like a tank, all metal construction. Impecable precision. I love mine to bits.
TWC_Ace Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, BP_Lizard said: Also check out Baur BRD-F3. Contactless, magnetic sensors. Built like a tank, all metal construction. Impecable precision. I love mine to bits. Baur pedals are 3 times more expensive...out of reach for many guys. For that price there are thrustmaster tpr pendular pedals...also there is no website for slaw and baur so the potential buyer is left with google translate communication via pm... Edited February 24, 2019 by blackram
PoppaCapnurass Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 7 hours ago, -[HRAF]Black_Sab said: Congrats! Be prepared to fasten it on the floor somehow because it's flipping over easily when placing one foot on. Mine is screwed on a wooden board that has the same width as the pedals. Perfect. I have a very big over sized desk with a steel base that I plan on making a base to mount the MTG and interchange my G920 pedals to.
TWC_Ace Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Well Im using them heels on the flor so no slipping...but I was able to maintain a stability when using them with full feets on the footrests...just learned to be careful when taking my feets on and of them...once the feets are on no slipping over...wall spacers are helping with sliding..
BP_Lizard Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 11 hours ago, blackram said: Baur pedals are 3 times more expensive...out of reach for many guys. For that price there are thrustmaster tpr pendular pedals...also there is no website for slaw and baur so the potential buyer is left with google translate communication via pm... Baur quoted me around $300 for the kit. MFG Crosswind is around $360. Not that much discrepancy. But you’re right, having Russian as the sole medium of instruction is daunting. Thank goodness I got mine used and assembled from a US-based ATAG gentleman.
TWC_Ace Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, BP_Lizard said: Baur quoted me around $300 for the kit. MFG Crosswind is around $360. Not that much discrepancy. But you’re right, having Russian as the sole medium of instruction is daunting. Thank goodness I got mine used and assembled from a US-based ATAG gentleman. There is a "budget" version of Baur pedals. "Standard" ones are more expensive. BTW, full metal construction doesnt mean they are more durable or better or more precise and tbh ppl who owned both liked the smootheness of MFG better. Also MFGs are BY FAR the most customizable pedals on the market. Virtually everything can be tuned. But ofcourse, baur are very good pedals just like slaws and MFGs. Edited February 25, 2019 by blackram
Sokol1 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, blackram said: Baur pedals are 3 times more expensive... ...than Thrustmaster TFRP or CH Pedals? In this case, yes. Than other "high end" pedals, no. Not even Slaw Viper RX or Tm TPR cost 3 times an VKB T-Rudder. When BRD pedals are in "full production" models vary from ~$200 (Kamov like, one axis) to ~$500, that model ready for attach motorcycle damper. For what I get actually BRD still selling only BRD-MS3* in kit form - need assembly with rivets, nuts and bolts. In their site price is : 8.000 rubles - without shipping cost. * Su-35 like design with brakes, operation heels on floor, a kind of desired "combat pedals" ... without need of "workarounds" or 3D printed parts. But for what matter BRD development stopped. In 2019/20 new models will be sold under VirPil brand. http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=975&p=31446#p31446 Edited February 25, 2019 by Sokol1
dburne Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Will be interesting to see what direction he takes them on pedals, the change in sticks kind of got me away from Virpil. I am set on pedals though. Edited February 25, 2019 by dburne
Seb71 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) I was hoping for an announcement about pedals from Virpil at the end of last year. Obviously that did not happen. Also, I was hoping that by gaining access to Virpil manufacturing facilities, Baur&Virpil will be able to make better pedals, but at lower cost (that's how larger production batches is supposed to work). If Virpil pedals will be even more expensive than BRD pedals were, I'll turn to VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV (and I suspect more people which were on the fence - because of the lack of toe brakes on T-Rudders - will do the same). Edited February 25, 2019 by Seb71
BP_Lizard Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 12:45 AM, blackram said: BTW, full metal construction doesnt mean they are more durable or better or more precise... Where in my statement did I ever say that? I wasn’t even comparing it to Crosswind, merely adding another alternative. As for precision, well, in the case of BRD, it is.
TWC_Ace Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BP_Lizard said: Where in my statement did I ever say that? I wasn’t even comparing it to Crosswind, merely adding another alternative. As for precision, well, in the case of BRD, it is. "Built like a tank, all metal construction" Precision of both Baur and MFGs goes way beyond a human leg/brain can detect anyways. Some ppl are using MFGs for 6 yrs without any issues. Composite material in MFGs is very sturdy and on top of that doesnt squeeak or boing and its comfortable to use with just socks on, during cold winter days. Edited February 27, 2019 by blackram
BP_Lizard Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 12:45 AM, blackram said: BTW, full metal construction doesnt mean they are more durable or better or more precise ..... Again, read my statement, then read yours. Nowhere did I say that the BRD is much more durable, better, nor more precise than the Crosswind. The man asked for recommendations, I gave mine based on experience. Never did I contest nor compare MFG to BRD. If he's asking solely about Crosswind, I wouldn't even throw my hat into the ring. You gotta stop adding meaning where there is none.
dburne Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Guys I am pretty sure he already went with the Crosswinds...
TWC_Ace Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, BP_Lizard said: Again, read my statement, then read yours. Nowhere did I say that the BRD is much more durable, better, nor more precise than the Crosswind. The man asked for recommendations, I gave mine based on experience. Never did I contest nor compare MFG to BRD. If he's asking solely about Crosswind, I wouldn't even throw my hat into the ring. You gotta stop adding meaning where there is none. Again, never said you was comparing. You said "all metal construction, built like a tank". Then I replied that the fact they are built all metal doesnt make them "built like a tank". Metal alone doesnt mean something is durable. Thats all. I would pick mfgs anytime before brds if anything then because they are super customizable, everything can be tuned. So, there you go, Im now comparing ?. @dburne I know, lol Edited February 27, 2019 by blackram
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