PTO/Korea/ETO... next il2 expansion thread?

[Ribbon]

Since the most interesting threads were locked forum become boring so here is my attempt to make it fun place once again....please respect each other opinion and no insulting.

Soo, what battle/theatre you would like to see next in il2:GB (after BoBp)?

 

I would like PTO to be next in line with this order;

1.Battle of Okinawa

2.Battle of Guadalcanal

3.Battle of Midway

4.Solomon islands

 

Imagine airfields on tropical islands, carrier landings, sinking ships with torpedos, patroling and navigating over the open sea.

 

 

 

 

[danielprates]

I like these discussions but they always decay into madness. Oh well....

 

I would like to see first PTO, and in second place, Korea: Great historic planes, great map potential, but not too modern as to disconfigure the game totally.

Edited February 5, 2019 by danielprates

[Ribbon]

1 minute ago, danielprates said:

I like these discussions but they always decay into madness. Oh well....

 

I would like to see first PTO, and in second place, Korea: Great historic planes, great map potential, but not too modern as to disconfigure the game totally.

Madness is fun

[Legioneod]

If I had my way it'd be

 

Midway

Solomons (Guadalcanal included)

New Guinea (43-44)

Okinawa

 

If the Pacific is delayed again then it's be Normandy or Italy. Eastern front or Korea would be a let down for me and sour my taste for the sim.

[Feathered_IV]

Would like the Pacific or Malta.  Reckon it will be Korea.

 

Come at me...

[sevenless]

Very early PTO would be my favorite. Don´t laugh I really would love to see a Pearl Harbour as a starting module.

[MasserME262]

Really hope with all my soul is not PTO, I really want a BoB(erlin) here after BoBP.

[E4GLEyE]

PTO for me. Really want a Zero in this fidelity of simulation, and an F4U, than we can head for Korea.... But I am more enthusiastic about ww2. Still career in Korea would be fun as a follow up. 

[Herne]

1 minute ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Really hope with all my soul is not PTO, I really want a BoB(erlin) here after BoBP.

 

I'm surprised ! PTO brings a lot of unique birds to the table, and a change of scenery. Hard to imagine anyone interested in flying to be not interested in some of the warbirds that would be on offer.
 

My own position is that I don't care so much what order stuff is released in, so long as they are all built to the same high standard, and continue to perform excellently in VR

[Feathered_IV]

Just to be clear, when say Pacific I mean the Southwest Pacific.  New Guinea or the siege of Rabaul.   Not Midway fought over and over again, or Guadalcanal's trans-pacific flights with no effective way to significantly speed up the flight times.

[Ribbon]

20 minutes ago, =11=Herne said:

 

I'm surprised ! PTO brings a lot of unique birds to the table, and a change of scenery. Hard to imagine anyone interested in flying to be not interested in some of the warbirds that would be on offer.
 

My own position is that I don't care so much what order stuff is released in, so long as they are all built to the same high standard, and continue to perform excellently in VR

I'm not suprised, look at his name

30 minutes ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Really hope with all my soul is not PTO, I really want a BoB(erlin) here after BoBP.

Oh after PTO...Battle of Berlin and Britain would be my next choice, following Malta and Italy.

[SJ_Butcher]

I think Il2 great battles should one reach as much as first generation planes

[CrazyDuck]

Okinawa. Late war PTO scenarios with high performing japanese aircraft are usually underrepresented.

[Elem]

Ok, I'll bite! For the sake of some continuity...

Spanish Civil War

Operation Barbarosa

Battles of Khalkhin Gol

[Uufflakke]

Oh no,  not again about future expansions like PTO, BOB, ETO, MTO, KTO, SCW, CBI and whatever abbreviation there is in relation to air combats.

Edited February 5, 2019 by Uufflakke

[MasserME262]

42 minutes ago, =11=Herne said:

 

I'm surprised ! PTO brings a lot of unique birds to the table, and a change of scenery. Hard to imagine anyone interested in flying to be not interested in some of the warbirds that would be on offer.
 

My own position is that I don't care so much what order stuff is released in, so long as they are all built to the same high standard, and continue to perform excellently in VR

Yeah, I know about the new scenery, but really the only thing interests me from PTO is the Tony, so no PTO for me. But clearly the community overall prefers it over anything else.

[Voidhunger]

1.Berlin or other late war western scenario

 

2. Another eastern front

3. Korea

 

 

4 minutes ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Yeah, I know about the new scenery, but really the only thing interests me from PTO is the Tony, so no PTO for me. But clearly the community overall prefers it over anything else.

It would be interesting to see poll from all the people playing this game, together with our Russian friends. I personaly think that PTO will not win

[Ribbon]

19 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

1.Berlin or other late war western scenario

 

2. Another eastern front

3. Korea

 

 

It would be interesting to see poll from all the people playing this game, together with our Russian friends. I personaly think that PTO will not win

I don't think it's just about existing playerbase, more like expanding playerbase.

In current playerbase if not win PTO would be close to win.

With BoBp and Eastern theatre we now have playerbase attracted to it while PTO playerbase is still to be attracted.

Pure business

[CountZero]

well its always fun guesing

 

I would like:

Battle of Midway -2021

Battle of Rome    -2022

Battle of New Guinea  -2024

Battle of Seelow  -2025

Battle of Kyushu -2027

Battle of Korea   -2029

 

next 10 years covered lol

 

and in betwen you can make atleast 2 collector airplanes per year also just to be max hungry for content 

Edited February 5, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[sevenless]

13 minutes ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

With BoBp and Eastern theatre we now have playerbase attracted to it while PTO playerbase is still to be attracted. 

Pure business

 

The Question is how many of the installed base would have interest in PTO. You might win some, but you might also risk to lose some. Not easy to decide.

[Trooper117]

I don't loose any sleep over no Pacific campaigns... however, if they do bring it out, I'm sure I'll buy it anyway...

[Voidhunger]

I dont mind one PTO . With 2 or 3 more PTO people will be bored as with eastern front.

I think that its not good to jump so early to another scenario, with different (and difficult to make) planes, ground units, maps with different flora and buildings.

For bussiness i think would be better to stay in the west and expand it with more planes( and vvs planes) and use same buildings and units from BOBP.

Also i think that russian guys are more interested in the next Bobp (with possibility to have late vvs planes)than PTO, but i understand that some people want PTO .

 

Also they just developed tech for jets and turbos etc i dont think they will throw it away and move to pto. (Of course the may use it just for collector planes)

Edited February 5, 2019 by Voidhunger

[Ribbon]

8 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

The Question is how many of the installed base would have interest in PTO. You might win some, but you might also risk to lose some. Not easy to decide.

Same goes the other way...with existing playerbase, i'm sure many support every module so far just to see PTO or some other desired expansion one day (myself included)!

If they said from the start there would be no PTO i'm sure there would be lower sales on other expansions, for example i would not buy BoM or BoBp.

 

I didn't support Tank Crew cos i don't want game to go that direction and i sure would not buy Flying Circus without campaign if i knew it will delay BoBp by a year.

 

 

[Swing]

I just want a Japanese plane...

[MasserME262]

I kniw this is maybe too much, but I would like to see ALL of WWII covered..  From the first day of poland invasion until the surrender of Japan... Leaving PTO for the last... But I know its asking for too much, and before WWII is completely covered, they will probably go for Korea or something similar after WWII, which gonna make me stop supporting them.

 

 

 

Except for Mig15, maybe.

[Chief_Mouser]

1 hour ago, Elem said:

Ok, I'll bite! For the sake of some continuity...

Spanish Civil War

Operation Barbarosa

Battles of Khalkhin Gol

 

I'm totally with Elem...

 

plus Battle of Epirus (Albania/Northern Greece - Regia Aeronautica, Hellenic Air Force, RAF, Luftwaffe).

Edited February 5, 2019 by 216th_Cat

[dburne]

58 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

The Question is how many of the installed base would have interest in PTO. You might win some, but you might also risk to lose some. Not easy to decide.

 

Well I would normally say I would be all over the PTO and would buy it in a heartbeat.

Truth be told though, I am going to buy anything these guys put out just to support the sim. 

But yeah I would love to see PTO!

[sevenless]

2 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Well I would normally say I would be all over the PTO and would buy it in a heartbeat.

Truth be told though, I am going to buy anything these guys put out just to support the sim. 

But yeah I would love to see PTO!

 

Same with me, but not everyone is that crazy. lol!

[Herne]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

 

The Question is how many of the installed base would have interest in PTO. You might win some, but you might also risk to lose some. Not easy to decide.

 

from a single player perspective at least, the more content you have, the wider the appeal to the player base.  In ten years time, its easy to imagine that people will be enjoying careers on the eastern and western fronts, along with PTO and Korea. 

 

MP arenas are a slightly different story, though I would still expect to see some popular servers maintain high numbers during prime time. My reasoning being the more theatres you have, the more fragmented the MP community becomes, Unless the new titles bring in a significant amount of fresh blood.

[RedKestrel]

There's a lot of talk about PTO bringing in new players who aren't here already but I find myself doubtful that would be the case. I think Bodenplatte is going to bring in more new players than a PTO expansion. My thinking, BoBp may finally bust North America wide open, and further western/PTO scenarios can strengthen that hold.

Expanding into Western (and particularly American) aircraft sets opens the door for lots of people who are doubtful about the Eastern front setting (IMO they are missing out, Il-2 has shown me it is one of the most interesting and overlooked theatres of the war). But I can't see someone looking at the Bodenplatte planeset and saying "Hmmm, nope, I only want to fly Pacific planes." There's just not enough WWII flight sims out there for people to be picky about theatres, especially if you want a combat-oriented sim instead of a study sim. 

Maybe PTO could pull in some of the people still playing Il-2 1946 but I think at this point 1946 is unkillable as the eternal king of sheer breadth of content with planes, maps etc. 

TL;DR: Expansion into western planesets and scenarios will draw in new people, but the specifics of the theatre probably matter less than the planesets, and the nationalities represented.

Honestly the best reason to go to PTO is that the devs seem like they really want to do it. Go for it guys!

Now, as for preferred theatre...I gotta say I would love to see an Italy expansion. Even if it was just a map (or several separate maps). It would be great to showcase the mid to late war situation. Get some earlier versions of the Jug, the P-38, etc. Not much new stuff for the luftwaffe fliers though. Not saying it would be the best idea marketing-wise, but it was my favourite map to fly in old Il-2 and I'd love to see it done in this sim.

 

[6FG_Big_Al]

I love the Pacific and would very much like to see it next. But I would also be happy about any other viable expansion.

Of all the topics under discussion (Korea, Midway, Berlin etc.) everything sounds interesting. Accordingly, I just stay tuned and look forward to the next title ?

[SqueakyS]

I agree with PTO but I'd prefer to start it with Battle of Burma 1942 or Java Sea 1942

[40plus]

Mediterranean (Italy)

North Africa

Scandinavia (Operation Tungsten, F4U)

BoB(ritain)

PTO (Guadalcanal)

 

Also, somewhere in there, an engine refresh to give us the big bombers and increased target density . . . . dare to dream.

 

I can't see myself ever buying a Korean theater. Air combat started to lose its chivalry and soul with jets.

Edited February 5, 2019 by pfrances

[No145_Bunny]

Malta is an easy win for this simulator. Not much of a map to develop. A lot of the aircraft we already have just need to make tropical versions of some of them.

A great way to introduce torpedo attacks and some Italian aircraft.

We could have the:-

Gladiator

Hurricane

Beaufighter

Wellington 

Cr42

Italian bombers

British aircraft carriers and introduce carrier takeoffs. Operation Pedestal springs to mind.

 

But will they venture anywhere near the med after the deal they did with Cliffs of Dover ?

 

[=27=Davesteu]

I'm highly interested in pretty much all aspects of the Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre and consequently that's what I'd like to see.
Unfortunately the number of viable scenarios for a sim-game like IL2 is much smaller than some might think. For example, only very few of the well-known battles fought in the Pacific Ocean Areas would serve a purpose at all and the number is literally watered down once more by their operative circumstances (Midway: only a few days of campaign, game-performance aspects; Okinawa: size of map, number of ships involved, basically only fighter missions or Tokko for Japanese side, game-performance aspects).
 

I already posted this, but I think it's the by far best choice:

  

Papua - New Guinea Campaign 1942 - 1943

 

A subsequent "Battle of the Coral Sea"-pack would nicely complement the PNG campaign and satisfy the naval crowd.

 

 

I wouldn't mind a small Nomonhan/Khalkhin Gol pack or the Spanish Civil War (purely for the Do 17E/F and SB-2), but I don't think it's ever going to happen. Channel or North Africa (except Tunisia) are not of interest to me, while Italy 1943/44 I'd be ok with - but all that only after a proper Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre release.

[Jade_Monkey]

My preference is for mid-late war scenarios, with more powerful planes. Returning to early war birds, where we spent the last few years would be a bit of a bummer although i wouldn't be upset if we got an early Zero.

Edited February 5, 2019 by Jade_Monkey

[RedKestrel]

12 minutes ago, =27=Davesteu said:

I'm highly interested in pretty much all aspects of the Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre and consequently that's what I'd like to see.
Unfortunately the number of viable scenarios for a sim-game like IL2 is much smaller than some might think. For example, only very few of the well-known battles fought in the Pacific Ocean Areas would serve a purpose at all and the number is literally watered down once more by their operative circumstances (Midway: only a few days of campaign, game-performance aspects; Okinawa: size of map, number of ships involved, basically only fighter missions or Tokko for Japanese side, game-performance aspects).
 

I already posted this, but I think it's the by far best choice:

  

Papua - New Guinea Campaign 1942 - 1943

 

A subsequent "Battle of the Coral Sea"-pack would nicely complement the PNG campaign and satisfy the naval crowd.

 

 

I wouldn't mind a small Nomonhan/Khalkhin Gol pack or the Spanish Civil War (purely for the Do 17E/F and SB-2), but I don't think it's ever going to happen. Channel or North Africa (except Tunisia) are not of interest to me, while Italy 1943/44 I'd be ok with - but all that only after a proper Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre release.

I agree with the PNG idea.An entire game around Midway would be neat but from a SP perspective, where is the longevity for the career system? The battle lasted 2 days if we're being generous. 

Really it would be great to have any PTO game ship with a Midway/Coral sea map for the aircraft carrier scenarios, and a land-based battle of some kind (PNG, Guadalcanal, etc). . A scripted campaign for the Battle of Midway would be a better representation than the way the career mode does things. 

Of course, that may be asking too much for a single title. Aircraft Carriers alone are going to be a difficult nut to crack...

[COVIDCowboy]

7 hours ago, sevenless said:

Very early PTO would be my favorite. Don´t laugh I really would love to see a Pearl Harbour as a starting module.

 

Imagine the terror of 4 B5Ns, 4 D3As, and an escort of 12 zeroes descending upon Pearl Harbor

[sevenless]

2 minutes ago, LongDongSilver said:

 

Imagine the terror of 4 B5Ns, 4 D3As, and an escort of 12 zeroes descending upon Pearl Harbor

 

LOL, yea true. Should be called tiny harbour then?

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I am also of the opinion that Midway is not the best first battle to go to for the Pacific.  Need areas that have land and sea.  Carriers would be great but are not a necessity at first to go to the Pacific.

 

I made a scaled comparison of several Pacific battle areas to the Bodenplatte map on the following post.

 

 

Edited February 5, 2019 by VBF-12_Stick-95