When the P51 will be available?

[Haza]

20 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

Historical accuracy in Multiplayer depends on the mission design of the people running the server.  Real life air combat and history is about man vs man, team vs team, human skill against human skill.   Does Single Player model that part of 'Historical Accuracy'? 

 

I guess talking about skill level or historical accuarcy whilst trying to compare a PC game to actual events will probably never be the same. We have a sim that gives both sides advantages that perhaps IRL one side or both sides didnt have (HOTAS, in game comms voice and chat to warn others or the ability to move numerous controls with the flick of a switch, GPS, auto level, VVS engine management and techno chat ). Therefore, although some of these can be removed by the MP server admin etc there are some things that we do in game that perhaps was never possible in IRL and we demand historical accuaracy, yet we use all of these things in game without a second thought.

As an example, modelling an aircraft and giving it an aerial and radio for comms yet everybody already can use comms wether fitted or not IRL for me perhaps shows that at the end of the day historically accuracy will never be achieved while we have a culture of players that want the best of both worlds to ensure that they win or perhaps like me just too lazy sometimes.

That said, I think things should be as accuarte as possible with the flight models and various varients of engines be also made available although I'm no longer convinced that in game it will give the IRL advantages as PC players will always find a legal gaming way to get around these advantages.

 

We thankfully have MP servers that try and cater for all skill levels and to allow everybody to get what they want out of their gaming experience,  although as we clearly see we all want something different from a game. In addition if the game becomes boring or too one sided I can turn it off and play another day, something I'm sure many IRL during those days wish they could have done.

 

Therefore, lets not get to distracted with our own views and demands and agree that we expect the develpers to provide the best historically modeled flight models so that we can do whatever we want afterwards wether that be SP or MP or neutralP.

 

Regards

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

1 minute ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

I don't need to measure mine. I'm quite happy with what I have. ? 

For me it's about the mission not the opponent. That is fundamentally the difference between the SP and MP mentality. MP is about the individual, just look at your posts SS. It's all about measuring manhood. 1 on 1. For the SP participant it's about the mission getting the job done. Way more Historically accurate than getting the ruler out.. 

 

You clearly don't know anything about Multiplayer or it's mentality.  Have you ever been a member of a squad, or even an ad-hoc multiplayer team?  Have you even played Il-2 multiplayer at all?  My guess is no, because if you had, you would know that what you are saying about Multiplayer being non-mission oriented and all 1 vs 1, individuality and ego is complete nonsense.

[Rolling_Thunder]

2 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

You clearly don't know anything about Multiplayer or it's mentality.  Have you ever been a member of a squad, or even an ad-hoc multiplayer team?  Have you even played Il-2 multiplayer at all?  My guess is no, because if you had, you would know that what you are saying about Multiplayer being non-mission oriented and all 1 vs 1, individuality and ego is complete nonsense.

I've played MP. Tell me....How many times do you check your score while playing MP? Do your eyes drift to the top of the screen when you end your mission to check how well you did? I'm guessing you do both.

[Guest deleted@83466]

11 minutes ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

I've played MP. Tell me....How many times do you check your score while playing MP? Do your eyes drift to the top of the screen when you end your mission to check how well you did? I'm guessing you do both.

 

ahhh...no, when I land, and it pops a big banner up on the screen saying "1 kill, 2 assists", I hide my eyes and try to click it away so I don't have to see how well or poorly I did.?  I'm sure that's what you do, in Single Player, right?

 

BTW, as far as keeping score goes, guess who else kept score?  Real pilots.

 

"I've played MP".  Sure, sure...I think it's fairly obvious from your depiction of it, that your experience in current Il-2 multiplayer is pretty limited, and certainly you have very little flying as part of a team or as a wingman. 

Edited January 17, 2019 by SeaSerpent

[Rolling_Thunder]

1 minute ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

ahhh...no, when I land, and it pops a big banner up on the screen saying "1 kill, 2 assists", I hide my eyes and try to click it away so I don't have to see how well or poorly I did.?  I'm sure that's what you do, in Single Player, right?

 

BTW, as far as keeping score goes, guess who else kept score?  Real pilots.

 

"I've played MP".  Sure, sure...I think it's fairly obvious from your depiction of it, that your experience in current Il-2 multiplayer is pretty limited.

That's all I need to know. 

[SCG_motoadve]

Why do people who play multiplayer think they are cooler than the ones that play SP? And make fun of SP guys like its a sin to not play MP.

Its just a game , everyone has the right to play whatever they want.

Instead of inviting them to join MP , the SP guys after seen this attitude, wont bother  playing MP to deal with that kind of people.

I like MP more myself , its very rewarding and fun, I like SP too, some aspects are more immersive in one vs the other.

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

4 minutes ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

Why do people who play multiplayer think they are cooler than the ones that play SP? And make fun of SP guys like its a sin to not play MP.

Its just a game , everyone has the right to play whatever they want.

Instead of inviting them to join MP , the SP guys after seen this attitude, wont bother  playing MP to deal with that kind of people.

I like MP more myself , its very rewarding and fun, I like SP too, some aspects are more immersive in one vs the other.

 

 

My response was in regard to the comment "This game is not about MP. It is about SP and getting as close as authentic documentation can be modelled."  And then a lot of miscategorizations about MP from guys who have clearly have no experience in it followed, and I think I was right to answer them.

 

But with that said, yes, I do think it takes a lot more skill to have a successful virtual life in Multiplayer, than it does in Single Player.  I have no doubt about that whatsoever.  So if that makes me an MP snob, so be it.

Edited January 17, 2019 by SeaSerpent

[danielprates]

... back to topic then! When the p51 will be available?

[AndyJWest]

4 minutes ago, danielprates said:

... back to topic then! When the p51 will be available?

 

When ready. Which probably means some time after the Me-262 and Fw-190 D-9 are released. And before you ask, they will be released when they are ready...

[CIA_Yankee_]

6 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

The devs had no chance even if they would have been searching for a long time, they wouldn´t have found something. There is no date in WW2 in the ETO where any allied nation had better planes than the germans. Neither 39,40,41,42,43,44 nor 45. There are many timeframes however when the allied had better pilot quality and/or numeric superiority. The pilot quality and the numeric advantage finally proved to be the decicive factors.

 

While you are certainly correct about pilot quanlity and numerical superiority, as far as airframe quality that is hardly true. There was a very active back-and-forth between the Axis and Allies through WW2, with one side leapfrogging past the other over the years as far as performance goes. For example, the evolution of the Spitfire and the 109 alone is a years-long history of one-upmanship, culminating in the 109 K4 and the Spit XIV (well, and then later spits, but those hardly did anything).

 

That being said, by the end of the war it hardly mattered, as numerical superiority (and pilot training quality) of the allies eclipsed anything the LW could put up in the air. This, to be fair, did somewhat diminish the pressure the allies had to push forward their best hardware. For example, though the Spit XIV was a superior airframe, by the end of 1944 it really wasn't needed anymore. Once one side dominate the skies so much that they can range freely over your country, it hardly matters how awesome your hardware is (for example even if the 262 had been defect free and completely dependable, it would have been too little too late).

[Jason_Williams]

Ok closed for vulgar and ugly comments. The original post was essentially answered. Actually, to answer fully the Pony is scheduled for end of June, but may slip a little.

 

 

Jason