POLL: Joining a mplayer game of IL_2 GB: What side do you pick?ck

[=RS=Stix_09]

I recently was playing on Coconuts server and I made a few comments and upset some people .
Not my intent I just wanted people to not keep joining the large team (well over a 2 to 1 difference) , and some to move to try and balance game , to make it more enjoyable.

I did apologize, because I meant no offense to anyone.

 

So I though out of curiously I would make a poll on this to get peoples thoughts.

Poll selection is anonymous so choose what you really feel , not what you think is popular.

 

Then post your comments here. If you want to express your point of view further , or add another option.

 

And please keep it civil, and respect others opinions.

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by =RS=Stix_09

[DeadMeat0383]

I think the issue you will have with this is that a lot of people will say they join the side with the least players... but do they really?

I usually join the side with the least players but not always, as sometimes I want to fly a specific plane.

[=RS=Stix_09]

10 minutes ago, DeadMeat0383 said:

I think the issue you will have with this is that a lot of people will say they join the side with the least players... but do they really?

I usually join the side with the least players but not always, as sometimes I want to fly a specific plane.

 

Ya , fair comment , it is anonymous voting , so I hope people can be honest with themselves

And I'm referring to ratios 2:1 for or more option 3 (I edited and clarified that now, in poll above)

Edited December 3, 2018 by =RS=Stix_09
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[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I always join the bigger Side, to fly Ground Attack with Air Superiority.

[=RS=Stix_09]

2 minutes ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

I always join the bigger Side, to fly Ground Attack with Air Superiority.

 

good point!, that's a valid though, interesting.

[Legioneod]

I prefer allied but I'll join the side with the least players more often then not. I prefer a target rich environment, joining the bigger team just takes away too many potential targets.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

3 hours ago, DeadMeat0383 said:

I think the issue you will have with this is that a lot of people will say they join the side with the least players... but do they really?

I usually join the side with the least players but not always, as sometimes I want to fly a specific plane.

 

Same here. Also depending on teammates, if everyone else wants to fly German, I won't be the opportunist..so i end up flying German more then Allies (and more then i'd like to)

[CamusB455]

In every server at peak times, it's always stacked German.  I get the impression that 109s and 190s are unmatched in a dogfight, so a typical match is every German in a fighter defending objectives from orbit and every Allied player suicide running Peshkas or Havoc's, with some lone wolf yaks trying to be heroes and ending up cannon fodder.  

I usually comprise and patrol low alt, waiting for any German dropping bombs on objective.  Usually I just get jumped from high 6

[StiFFman]

46 minutes ago, CamusB455 said:

with some lone wolf yaks trying to be heroes and ending up cannon fodder.  

:-D

I can see myself in there, mate. Last time (Friday) on KOTA I had 4 or 5 Germans on my tail at once, and after about 1 minute of desperate maneuvering I got shot, and one of them even regarded the shooter with "good job". WTF, like it must have been really hard to get me - I was as dead as sure that sun will rise in the morning.

Nevertheless, I´m afraid that players who usualy join the stronger side without hesitating, will not vote in this poll - they will not be attracted by its title. They´re propably not thinking about balance, just care for their killcount. 

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, CamusB455 said:

In every server at peak times, it's always stacked German.  I get the impression that 109s and 190s are unmatched in a dogfight, so a typical match is every German in a fighter defending objectives from orbit and every Allied player suicide running Peshkas or Havoc's, with some lone wolf yaks trying to be heroes and ending up cannon fodder.  

I usually comprise and patrol low alt, waiting for any German dropping bombs on objective.  Usually I just get jumped from high 6

most anojing thing is to see when your outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1 and there is still guys going for ground targets in thouse conditions.

If your outnumbered you pic fighter and protect your objectives, thats only way for your side to win that mission, guys doing bomb runs in thuse coditions just give side with more players what they wont = easy kills coming in one by one. You dont go to them they leve server and numbers get better, but people dont see this so i constantly see same players going for same targets and then wondering why no one is escorting them or how they ae geting shoot down, and its 50 axis vs 20 vvs lol or oposite, same thing is done by axis bombers when they are outnumbered.

its like im gona go bomb no mather how situation on mission looks.

 

also for fighter guys, if your on outnumbered side , make enemy go for you, dont go to them, 30-1h of them having no one to shoot at, they gona go away or start doing risky stuff, but always doing same sthing no mather what numbers balance on server is is just wrong.

 

 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

This poll is pointless.  Most of the people who only fly German are either not going to respond or they’re going to lie.

[CamusB455]

@STIFFMAN I think people wanting to fly the best/easiest planes is one reason, but the newbies who do this typically aren't effective, or hunting in packs.  The groups of 109s that swarm you are organized groups, communicating with voice comms.  For some reason, there are more organized clans that exclusively fly German than there are groups that fly allied, or even switch.

 

@77.CountZero I think the futility of dogfighting Germans makes alot of lone wolf players choose to do some comfy ground pounding.  Honestly, your rate of survival in a peshka is probably higher than picking fights in a yak.

[CountZero]

but taking fighter and sticking to your targets and caping over them is incrising your servival rate in situations when outnumbered.

if most of guys on your side so same, there will be good number of frendly fighters in one area to counter numbers from other side if they go for that target, and they are far from their base so help from your side comes faster. 

no mather how skiled player is or how strong his airplane is if hes outnumbered hell gona lose most of the time. So by sticking over your targets with others on outnumbered side your atleast making numbers more even when they come for that target, as some from their side will stay over their targets and some will be in bombers. Thats how i see it at least, as nothing you can do to change mineds of guys who like one side only no mather how many is on other side, so if your on outnumbered side you have to play smart or not play , or just do what they wont and go to them. 

[=RS=Stix_09]

On 12/4/2018 at 4:21 AM, CamusB455 said:

In every server at peak times, it's always stacked German.  I get the impression that 109s and 190s are unmatched in a dogfight, so a typical match is every German in a fighter defending objectives from orbit and every Allied player suicide running Peshkas or Havoc's, with some lone wolf yaks trying to be heroes and ending up cannon fodder.  

I usually comprise and patrol low alt, waiting for any German dropping bombs on objective.  Usually I just get jumped from high 6

 

I've flown both sides and  while the109's is an excellent plane and when flown by a good pilot and its hard to beat , I would not go as far to say its unmatched.

Two low skilled pilots I would give the Russian planes the advantage. Both equally high skilled "in general" axis has some advantage.

 

The issue is more being outnumbered, than outmatched.  They 109 is harder to fly well vs the allied planes in general IMHO you need some skills to use it properly.

But does not matter which side, but being outnumbered is a much bigger disadvantage than the plane (skill  of course helps), but even the best pilot will have hard time fighting 2 or more planes that both see each other, regardless of plane.

 

And the faster plane always controls when to engage and disengage. (german planes are generally faster, overall),  and in most cases and situations climb better(not always on these two points)

 

On 12/4/2018 at 6:13 AM, BraveSirRobin said:

This poll is pointless.  Most of the people who only fly German are either not going to respond or they’re going to lie.

 

Its not pointless to me , I'm gaining some interesting insight into peoples thinking...

 

That's also why its anonymous, and people are doing exactly that, picking what they really feel.

and yes i'm sure option 3 is likely more than actual and may be higher. But there is no reason to lie(only too yourself) if u pick an untrue answer (hence anonymous)

 

On 12/4/2018 at 6:16 AM, CamusB455 said:

@STIFFMAN I think people wanting to fly the best/easiest planes is one reason, but the newbies who do this typically aren't effective, or hunting in packs.  The groups of 109s that swarm you are organized groups, communicating with voice comms.  For some reason, there are more organized clans that exclusively fly German than there are groups that fly allied, or even switch.

 

I'll be honest I prefer German planes myself, but I mainly fly Russian now, and I'm enjoying them , and my skills are improving faster in them.

Yes there are some very good pilots the mainly fly axis, but also do fly allied too. And its clear there are people also that just want to fly certain planes.

 

 

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@77.CountZero I think the futility of dogfighting Germans makes alot of lone wolf players choose to do some comfy ground pounding.  Honestly, your rate of survival in a peshka is probably higher than picking fights in a yak.

 

Its very much a team game , dogfights are difficult if prolonged and when u start shooting , you become a Christmas tree (beacon).

My flying style is very much a team thing, I'd rather not get the kill if its going to put me in danger or get my teammates killed, (if i'm also attacking I can't watch their six). Ie Shoulder shooting (for example)  is not very team oriented, and helps no one.(there are some that care more about stats, or they are newbies)

 

Even if you are lone wolfing, I always try to  play as its my squad mate there.

Edited December 5, 2018 by =RS=Stix_09

[=RS=Stix_09]

Both sides planes have advantages and disadvantages. You must know the enemy plane to be a great pilot. If you only fly one side , u are never going to be as good as the guy that flys both factions and knows the strengths and weakness of his and the opponents plane.

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, =RS=Stix_09 said:

Its not pointless to me , I'm gaining some interesting insight into peoples thinking...

 

 

You're not getting any insight if they're not responding or lying.

[=RS=Stix_09]

4 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

You're not getting any insight if they're not responding or lying.

 

You assume everyone lies....

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, =RS=Stix_09 said:

 

You assume everyone lies....

 

Try reading my original response again.  If you think I said "everyone", then keep reading it until you realize that I didn't.

[=RS=Stix_09]

31 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Try reading my original response again.  If you think I said "everyone", then keep reading it until you realize that I didn't.

 

Y I missed it, The point I'm making I guess  is I'm getting insight, regardless if some is not honest or only fly german

It also gives people a option to discuss it if they choose, that also gives insight.

1 hour ago, =RS=Stix_09 said:

Both sides planes have advantages and disadvantages. You must know the enemy plane to be a great pilot. If you only fly one side , u are never going to be as good as the guy that flys both factions and knows the strengths and weakness of his and the opponents plane.

 

And be prepared to die (lots) to learn and get better. You learn better when u fail.

I recently engaged 4x 109's on the deck taking out our AA . I had an energy advantage. I was shot down not too long after.. I never should have engaged, it was an impossible fight , I was spotted in dive by teammates on coms, and my dive avoided (where it would have been a kill) , from then on it was all down hill. Good pilots in a squad.

A mistake I will not repeat again...

Edited December 5, 2018 by =RS=Stix_09

[6./ZG26_Loke]

On 12/3/2018 at 7:25 AM, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

I always join the bigger Side, to fly Ground Attack with Air Superiority.

Same here ?

[OrLoK]

99pc of the time I play Allied as I have little to no flighttime with Axis except the ju52. 

[Jade_Monkey]

I tend to play the side with the least players unless that day i have an urge to fly a specific plane.