Kurfürst fans?

[EAF19_Marsh]

13 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

Well, when you put it that way I feel sorry for the poor bugger too.

 

To paraphrase Irish Guards' Col Collins:

 

"Remember that when he woke up and got dressed in the morning, he did not plan to die this day "

[ITAF_Rani]

Ok I m at work ( damn)?

Any report about handling/performance of the beast....looking forward to kick the fat ass of the Jug !!!?

[BurBur]

3 minutes to 15000 feet (5km) on emergency power ! 

 

 

[FTC_Riksen]

Yes. It is a beast. Best plane u have so far and handles very well. It is like cheating now. Servers will definately have to limit them and restrict the 1.98ata

[DB605]

It climbs like homesick angel

 

I have not performed thorough tests but it seems to perform as it should, close to DCS one.

[ITAF_Rani]

9 minutes ago, DB605 said:

It climbs like homesick angel

 

I have not performed thorough tests but it seems to perform as it should, close to DCS one.

 

 

Edited November 20, 2018 by ITAF_Rani

[BurBur]

1 minute ago, SCG_Riksen said:

Yes. It is a beast. Best plane u have so far and handles very well. It is like cheating now. Servers will definately have to limit them and restrict the 1.98ata

 

 

[Voidhunger]

Pros:

Its beautiful

its fast

its deadly (but to me P47 can withstand to much punishment by Mk108)

I like the gauge in the cockpit for the MW50 usage

 

Cons:

less maneuverable

its so fast that in dive its even much less maneuverable quickly

 

In QMB I can shot down Spits quicker in G14

[EAF19_Marsh]

Cons: 1.98 was pretty-much non-existent beyond a statistical anomaly.

 

?

[InProgress]

3 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

its deadly (but to me P47 can withstand to much punishment by Mk108)

Lol i hit it 1-2 times in a wing and it was gone. p47 was quite strong vs mg fire tho. My first flight ended in crash tho ;D it dives so fast and you lose control. Haven't flown bf in a long time, highly maneuverable 190 spoiled me and trying do some weird maneuvers was deadly

Edited November 20, 2018 by InProgress

[ITAF_Rani]

To enable Mw50 simply all trottle full forward or have to assign button?

[Voidhunger]

12 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

To enable Mw50 simply all trottle full forward or have to assign button?

 

throttle full forward

[danielprates]

Just took it for a spin. My my, that rearside visibility! 

[Ribbon]

19 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

 

its deadly (but to me P47 can withstand to much punishment by Mk108)

Twice i was hit with machine guns in engine section (one or two bullets hit), my p-47 engine went into flames and explode seconds after.

I would say it's quite fragile! (Still love it's bombload and puch it delivers)

 

About K4 i agree on every point you said

[sevenless]

2 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Ok I m at work ( damn)?

Any report about handling/performance of the beast....looking forward to kick the fat ass of the Jug !!!?

 

It is damn fast and climbs like a rocket. You will have mucho fun with it. 

[LeLv76_Erkki]

This iteration of the K-4 is one wicked fighter even without the DC engine...

[EAF19_Marsh]

28 minutes ago, VO101Kurfurst said:

Give it a rest old chap. 

 

All in the spirit of fun, but I would be careful about using the term 'conquered' concerning a Luftwaffe aircraft, old bean, both in terms of the the cause for which it was used and what ultimately happened to its users.

 

And it being in the game does not make you correct, unless you think that there really were A-3s at Stalingrad ?

[Guest deleted@134347]

36 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

All in the spirit of fun, but I would be careful about using the term 'conquered' concerning a Luftwaffe aircraft, old bean, both in terms of the the cause for which it was used and what ultimately happened to its users.

 

And it being in the game does not make you correct, unless you think that there really were A-3s at Stalingrad ?

 

you went too far  ?

 

computer game.. ding ding ding..  maximum overdrive in a computer game.. ding ding ding..

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Okay, right, so this thing is a rocket sled. It humiliates La-5FN at every altitude and will likely be very competitive against P-51 and Tempest too.

 

Quick test results within spoilers, not 100 % correct but comparable to each other. Thats with the DB engine - who needs 1.98 ATA anyway?

 

Spoiler

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

27 minutes ago, moosya said:

 

you went too far  ?

 

 

No, I maintained height and speed just this side of the culminating point. ‘Too far’ I leave it to others that unwisely veer towards inappropriate memes ?

 

 

17 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

Quick test results within spoilers, not 100 % correct but comparable to each other. Thats with the DB engine - who needs 1.98 ATA anyway?

 

It should be a total monster for people who know how best it is flown.

Edited November 20, 2018 by EAF19_Marsh

[LeLv76_Erkki]

8 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

It should be a total monster for people who know how best it is flown.

 

There isnt much to fly though, compared to P-47 especially. Slam the throttle wide open and push stabilizer ahead to gain 3-4 kmph more. Keep the bubble centered. Thats it. Unlike older 109s this one has rather high cruise speed too, about 520 at the deck which is over 35 kmph faster than continuous for G-6 or G-14. For almost all fighter jobs theres little to no reason to fly 190 A-5, A-8 or G-14 instead of this. 190 D-9 might hold advantage down low in raw speed but it'll have lower critical alt.

[MiloMorai]

On Jan 1 '45 there was 165 K-4s on hand of which only 90 were serviceable of which 11 were 1.98ata K-4s. That is 6.7% of the K-4s available. It also should be remembered when making scenarios that 4 Gruppen authorized to use 1.98ata would not be present on the Bodenplatte map as they were based off the map for most of the time period

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

3 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

There isnt much to fly though, compared to P-47 especially. Slam the throttle wide open and push stabilizer ahead to gain 3-4 kmph more. Keep the bubble centered. Thats it. Unlike older 109s this one has rather high cruise speed too, about 520 at the deck which is over 35 kmph faster than continuous for G-6 or G-14. For almost all fighter jobs theres little to no reason to fly 190 A-5, A-8 or G-14 instead of this. 190 D-9 might hold advantage down low in raw speed but it'll have lower critical alt.

D-9 wont hold a speed advantage even if it is modelled with engine gaps sealed. It would need the even more mythical 2.02 ata power setting to be on par

[CountZero]

32 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

Okay, right, so this thing is a rocket sled. It humiliates La-5FN at every altitude and will likely be very competitive against P-51 and Tempest too.

 

Quick test results within spoilers, not 100 % correct but comparable to each other. Thats with the DB engine - who needs 1.98 ATA anyway?

 

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3 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

There isnt much to fly though, compared to P-47 especially. Slam the throttle wide open and push stabilizer ahead to gain 3-4 kmph more. Keep the bubble centered. Thats it. Unlike older 109s this one has rather high cruise speed too, about 520 at the deck which is over 35 kmph faster than continuous for G-6 or G-14. For almost all fighter jobs theres little to no reason to fly 190 A-5, A-8 or G-14 instead of this. 190 D-9 might hold advantage down low in raw speed but it'll have lower critical alt.

 

only thing faster then it should be me262

 

what were you ias on 7km, i got 486kmh ias max in strait, on deck 590kmh with 1.8ata, (610kmh ias with 1.98ata), 396kmh ias at 10km ( p47, 570kmh ias at 100m, 470kmh ias 7km and 385kmh ias at 10km)

 

 

[blitze]

So for BP the G14 will be the more tactical fighter to use?

Find that puppy climbs like a scalded cat so can't wait to try the K4 but for general tactical air war scenarios, I think sticking with the G14 would probably be the way to go unless online and taking out people who like to hover at 10km pretending their angels.

 

One must remember that the K4 was designed as a high alt interceptor.  By the time it came into service though, the Allies were pursuing tactical bombing operations on the continent as well as strategic.

 

She is a beautiful machine.  As for Yaks - I will be more than happy to purchase a Yak Pack and I'm not Russian. ))

[LeLv76_Erkki]

6 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

what were you ias on 7km, i got 486kmh ias max in strait, on deck 590kmh with 1.8ata, (610kmh ias with 1.98ata), 396kmh ias at 10km ( p47, 570kmh ias at 100m, 470kmh ias 7km and 385kmh ias at 10km)

 

IAS 486 km/h at 7000 m. I didnt test above 8500 m yet but P-47 is still nowhere near as fast. Gap is closest at about 7000 m and about 15 km/h(except of course K-4 can use MW50 5 minutes longer). P-47 really needs 150 oct fuel and a better propeller against 109 K. Against G-14 matchup is much more even: G-14 is faster low, P-47 high, above about 6000 m.

[DD_Arthur]

Flew it this evening on our squad server.

 

Wow.

 

It's not the speed,  it's the rate of climb.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

7 minutes ago, blitze said:

So for BP the G14 will be the more tactical fighter to use?

Find that puppy climbs like a scalded cat so can't wait to try the K4 but for general tactical air war scenarios, I think sticking with the G14 would probably be the way to go unless online and taking out people who like to hover at 10km pretending their angels.

 

One must remember that the K4 was designed as a high alt interceptor.  By the time it came into service though, the Allies were pursuing tactical bombing operations on the continent as well as strategic.

 

The only thing that the G-14 does better is having 20 mm MG151/20. The in performance gap is huge even without DC engine and 1.98 ATA.

[CountZero]

3 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

IAS 486 km/h at 7000 m. I didnt test above 8500 m yet but P-47 is still nowhere near as fast. Gap is closest at about 7000 m and about 15 km/h(except of course K-4 can use MW50 5 minutes longer). P-47 really needs 150 oct fuel and a better propeller against 109 K. Against G-14 matchup is much more even: G-14 is faster low, P-47 high, above about 6000 m.

 

up high i was usng all max on 47 and 0% outlet rads, and had to go to manual prop and rais rpm abow 2900 to get it anywhere close to k4s speeds

[LeLv76_Erkki]

6 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

up high i was usng all max on 47 and 0% outlet rads, and had to go to manual prop and rais rpm abow 2900 to get it anywhere close to k4s speeds

 

You'll lose even more engine mode timer that way so I dont think its worth it. Its probably possible to squeeze 3-4 kmph more overspeeding the turbo and not lose from the 5 min timer, but yeah P-47 is still slower and K-4 has 5 minutes more of maximum power.

 

30 min power vs. P-47's 15 min power its even worse.

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

You'll lose even more engine mode timer that way so I dont think its worth it. Its probably possible to squeeze 3-4 kmph more overspeeding the turbo and not lose from the 5 min timer, but yeah P-47 is still slower and K-4 has 5 minutes more of maximum power.

 

30 min power vs. P-47's 15 min power its even worse.

 

yes your right, i tryed now geting turbo over limits and rpm also over limits up to 3000rpm ( mix also on max) and got 500kmh ias max at 7km but for 1-2min and engine go boom after  

 

tryed same at 10km, and was doing 405kmh ias, 25000 on turbo 2900 on rpm and inlet at 100% open, lasted longer then 5min didnt brake engine, so its fast as heck up there when limits are broken for turbo and prop rpm  (thats 30kmh ias + then when i had it within 20000 and 2700 limits).( tryed 2nd and 3rd time but broke engine this time)

Edited November 20, 2018 by 77.CountZero

[FTC_Riksen]

5 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

On Jan 1 '45 there was 165 K-4s on hand of which only 90 were serviceable of which 11 were 1.98ata K-4s. That is 6.7% of the K-4s available. It also should be remembered when making scenarios that 4 Gruppen authorized to use 1.98ata would not be present on the Bodenplatte map as they were based off the map for most of the time period

 

Exactly. The K4 should definately be limited in the missions (both numbers and the DC engine mod). The majority of 100s should be G14s. KOTA has a mission with the new assets and absurd number of 1.98 ata K4 just makes things too easy.

[Godspeed]

When i tested K4 i felt that nothing can stop me.

Its amazing variant i dont fear P-47 "Juggs" ?

[Voidhunger]

She is fast, she is so fast that makes other fast planes look not so fast

[JonRedcorn]

And the tempest is faster than this thing? 

[Field-Ops]

5 minutes ago, 15th_JonRedcorn said:

And the tempest is faster than this thing? 

Down low Tempest should be the second fastest of the lineup

[DSR_A-24]

47 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

She is fast, she is so fast that makes other fast planes look not so fast

 

Yeah that's what makes the K4 is deadly. Speed.

 

Theoretically a well flown P-51 or Tempest will not be caught by a 109 since allied aircraft have always been faster. Even in a worst case scenario with a 109 on your 6 allied planes could just dive to the deck and extend. Now during a prolonged dive the K4 will always catch its prey as it will be faster than every single prop in the game at all altitudes. This completely negates the dynamic between Bnz fighter and engery fighters. 1.98 ata is just insult to injury as the affect is greatly exaggerated. Imagine being in plane where you can out turn, out climb and out run out any opponent. Spitfire Mk. IX is too slow to compete. Not to mention you can use war emergency power 5 minutes longer than all your opponents. The achilles heel is it's poor high speed manavourbility and visibilty. That's also where the Fw-190D9 is argued to be the better plane. However seeing that in DCS and IL2 people still gravitate towards the 109 as if the 190 doesn't even exist.

 

The Bf-109K4 is a game changer.

 

This is why I've been calling for an early 1944 scenario where all the planes are evenly matched. The dogfight would always be determined by pilot skill. But hurr durr muh late war aircraft. Now enjoy the endless forum debates on fuel and people's favourite, but tenfold.

[Voidhunger]

32 minutes ago, DSR_T-888 said:

 

Yeah that's what makes the K4 is deadly. Speed.

 

Theoretically a well flown P-51 or Tempest will not be caught by a 109 since allied aircraft have always been faster. Even in a worst case scenario with a 109 on your 6 allied planes could just dive to the deck and extend. Now during a prolonged dive the K4 will always catch its prey as it will be faster than every single prop in the game at all altitudes. This completely negates the dynamic between Bnz fighter and engery fighters. 1.98 ata is just insult to injury as the affect is greatly exaggerated. Imagine being in plane where you can out turn, out climb and out run out any opponent. Spitfire Mk. IX is too slow to compete. Not to mention you can use war emergency power 5 minutes longer than all your opponents. The achilles heel is it's poor high speed manavourbility and visibilty. That's also where the Fw-190D9 is argued to be the better plane. However seeing that in DCS and IL2 people still gravitate towards the 109 as if the 190 doesn't even exist.

 

The Bf-109K4 is a game changer.

 

This is why I've been calling for an early 1944 scenario where all the planes are evenly matched. The dogfight would always be determined by pilot skill. But hurr durr muh late war aircraft. Now enjoy the endless forum debates on fuel and people's favourite, but tenfold.

It was from the movie 

I love 44/45 scenario, its a best BOX.

K4 is fast but she is also very badly maneverauble at high speed. I lost many kills in qmb because i was too fast and for the first time in Box i crashed into the ground while pursuing enemy ac, due to a low athority of the elevator in high speed. I think that well flown P47 in MP will be tough opponent and P51 will be deadly. Bodenplate spit its still very good.

At low/mid altitude the G14 is better option. Its more maneverauble and slightly more stable. It seems to me that K4 is slightly wobling in the air.

 

Edited November 21, 2018 by Voidhunger

[ZachariasX]

49 minutes ago, DSR_T-888 said:

The Bf-109K4 is a game changer.

It is not. While the „46“ mod with 1.98 ata does make it a great ride, the Mustang and especially the Tempest are faster. The Tempest is even considerably better in zoom climbs, sort of negating its spectacular climb rate.

 

Also, the wonder boost is over after a short while. If your victims have some friends around, you won‘t get home in the K4.

 

That said, I was surprised how much I liked it. Before I like the Emil becuause it flys nuce, the F maybe because it is the best plane when it came out (although I can‘t make much of it), but the rest... unless O have the Erla Haibe, I feel like a prisoner.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

1 minute ago, ZachariasX said:

Also, the wonder boost is over after a short while. If your victims have some friends around, you won‘t get home in the K4.

 

10 minutes is a long time, and the thing is very fast using the 30 min power too. Unlike older 109s G-6 and G-14 that struggle to reach even 510 kmph at the deck. K-4 using 30 min power is much faster than P-47 using its own 15 min setting. P-51 and Tempest are faster, true.

 

A lot will come down to what engine modes exactly do P-51 and Tempest get and how long they can be used. And what fuels. K-4 mops the floor with this 65" Curtiss prop P-47.