A Thought on Pricing

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

The client is free all you are paying for is the maps and planes.
the client has been out so long (when rof cam out - and people bought it then)
Now its freely shipped with BoX series (so to speak)

Keep in mind IL2 BoX is just rise of flight with different maps and planesets and timeline
But same game more or less.

[357th_Dog]

13 minutes ago, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

The client is free all you are paying for is the maps and planes.
the client has been out so long (when rof cam out - and people bought it then)
Now its freely shipped with BoX series (so to speak)

Keep in mind IL2 BoX is just rise of flight with different maps and planesets and timeline
But same game more or less.

Well...*kind of*

The client is "free" with subsequent purchases, and that is correct, you're only paying for plane sets and maps. 

The first purchase a customer makes, be it Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban or Bodenplatte..you're paying for the client at that point. 

[falle96]

I have complicated feelings about the collector's planes and their price. They're excellent, and far cheaper than DCS modules, but at the same time they're not exactly at the same fidelity as a DCS module and are far and away more expensive than purchasable planes in Rise of Flight.

 

 

1 minute ago, JohanLoton said:

Well...*kind of*

The client is "free" with subsequent purchases, and that is correct, you're only paying for plane sets and maps. 

The first purchase a customer makes, be it Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban or Bodenplatte..you're paying for the client at that point. 

 

Yes, that was my impression as well. Does that necessarily mean that buying follow-up modules should be cheaper as the price of the client can be factored out?

 

(as an edit, I really appreciate the "reply merge" feature of this forum. It's wonderful)

Edited October 22, 2018 by FarflungWanderer

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

No the client is free...
FFS
they could make a free release if they wanted.
Il2. exe and its stuff needed to run but no maps, no planes, no tanks or anything.
Just the .exes and supporting files.

If you buy Bos, Bom, Bok, Bobp all you are paying for is the map and planeset. if you were buying the client then first pack you buy would always cost more but it cost the same.

You can look at it 2 ways depends if you are a half glass full or empty kind of person.
(the negative way is the game packs are all like $50 so you paying for the client everytime..) 
(the positive way is as they are all $50 and the first is not higher, so you never paid for the client and only paid for the planes and map sets for BOX. )

they DONT have to sell a game they have been selling content to make up for the game since 7 May 2009  under the title Rise of flight.
 

[CanadaOne]

8 minutes ago, FarflungWanderer said:

I have complicated feelings about the collector's planes and their price. They're excellent, and far cheaper than DCS modules, but at the same time they're not exactly at the same fidelity as a DCS module and are far and away more expensive than purchasable planes in Rise of Flight.

 

 

 

The DCS F-18 is over a $100Cdn. The Harrier is about $90Cdn. Most of the others are in the $60+Cdn. range. That's beaucoup expensive. Far, far more expensive than the BOX planes. And it means that I will never buy the majority of them.

 

I'm fine with the prices and fidelity of the BOX planes. And they are gorgeous!

[sevenless]

Compared to DCS you get a lot more than just a plane. The career mode for every plane alone is worth the money, let alone all the maps, MP, QB, scripted scenarios and campaigns. It really escapes me how one can question the pricing model???

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

ok i dont play the game or like it as no B36 or real large planes like KC-135

but DCS planes cost a lot as often they have to pay lots of money upto hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy the specs for planes with still classified data and parts on them
the copyright costs on a plane like F14 are probably 1/4 million just to get the plans from MoD keep in mind they are taking the real blue prints and data and pilot manuals and building a plane from that hence the cost and time taken.
they are not googling F14 specs and hoping for the best.

 

Edited October 22, 2018 by =TBAS=Sshadow14

[Rolling_Thunder]

You think 1c/777 are using Google and hoping for the best?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

30 minutes ago, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

ok i dont play the game or like it as no B36 or real large planes like KC-135

but DCS planes cost a lot as often they have to pay lots of money upto hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy the specs for planes with still classified data and parts on them
the copyright costs on a plane like F14 are probably 1/4 million just to get the plans from MoD keep in mind they are taking the real blue prints and data and pilot manuals and building a plane from that hence the cost and time taken.
they are not googling F14 specs and hoping for the best.

 

 

There is a lot of guessing going on in this post.

[Beazil]

You know 777 researchers it's planes, tanks, geography and history too right?  I don't even want to start talking about DCS's development cycles....

Bottom line; don't buy it.  If you'd rather spend 30 to 80 dollars US, per plane because you can click buttons with your mouse instead of pushing a key or joystick button then do whatever floats your boat.  Likewise, you can grind to your heart's content for free with War Thunder if you prefer.

If you don't believe you should pay full price for the product then wait for one of the many sales where you have the potential to save 40 to 50% on Great Battles titles.  You probably spend more on a night out than you would on one Collectors Edition purchase, which gives hours and hours of entertainment for less money.  Instead someone made this thread complaining about how much the modules cost.  Really if you can't afford the game then you shouldn't be looking.  If you can afford it and you are just being a pain in the ass, well, stop it.  Its disrespectful to the developers.

Rise of Flight indeed.  Its not like the team has been working diligently for years on this engine and each title released.  No, apparently all there is to this flight SIM development thing is some wiki-fu to collect information and a little gimp export to put the planes in game.  So simple a chimp could do it.

/sarcasm 

 

Why is this a thread again?

[LukeFF]

59 minutes ago, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

No the client is free...
FFS
they could make a free release if they wanted.
Il2. exe and its stuff needed to run but no maps, no planes, no tanks or anything.
Just the .exes and supporting files.

If you buy Bos, Bom, Bok, Bobp all you are paying for is the map and planeset. if you were buying the client then first pack you buy would always cost more but it cost the same.

You can look at it 2 ways depends if you are a half glass full or empty kind of person.
(the negative way is the game packs are all like $50 so you paying for the client everytime..) 
(the positive way is as they are all $50 and the first is not higher, so you never paid for the client and only paid for the planes and map sets for BOX. )

they DONT have to sell a game they have been selling content to make up for the game since 7 May 2009  under the title Rise of flight.
 

 

Sir, put the keyboard down, and no one will get hurt. 

[Alonzo]

I think it also depends what you mean by "fidelity" and whether it's valuable to you. Flying in VR I don't care about a clickable cockpit. A WWII plane is about the limit of complexity that can be controlled by feel using HOTAS (just my opinion). I can see a lot of people really enjoying the fully clickable advanced cockpit stuff too -- to them that's very valuable. To me the IL2 planes are extremely high fidelity barring the occasional bug or two.

 

I'd actually love a server-side option to disable technochat and force you to fly by the gauges -- flying on TAW with forced manual navigation has been amazing for my sense of immersion, I assume flying a 109 by ATA or a Spit by RPM and Boost would similarly teach you quite a bit about the game and be very realistic. But having blown up more than one engine with HUD off, I'd need the server to enforce it for me, I have no willpower.

[LuftManu]

I really can't believe people who think that Il-2 it's worse quality wise in the terms explained above becuase it's cheaper or something. Moreover I think many believe that paying 70$ for an aircraft makes it better or the typical if it's harder it's more realistic. 

 

I can't help but say that Il-2 offers you a whole background for the content you buy. Yes it's 20$ plane at most but you can be flying that plane till the end of times on the Career. Come on, you must have seen how many times Il-2 has got free additions. The said Career mode, New Stalingrad map, Free V.Lukie map, New effects, New Graphics engine, More view distance. There is a development and progress here..and I am sure I miss a lot back there.

 

I don't know but the series are growing in a great pace so they are doing it right. Other sims don't need to be bad but the price system in Il-2 is for sure the best bang for the buck and the quality it's greats, let's be honest here.

 

PS: Il-2 doesen't research, nope. Of course the forum thread and what they don't tell us is not happening. Like the Spitfire Mk.IX with corrected things like headrest, Wheel room and etc.

Edited October 22, 2018 by LF_ManuV

[=475FG=_DAWGER]

As an owner and regular player in all three titles, DCS, Il2 and War Thunder I can say i like aspects of all three.

 

DCS is great for jets and using some real world procedures. In VR without labels/markers/icons, DCS is a non-starter. Spotting is awful and VR performance is poor. Pricing is high and there is little real content produced. WWII in DCS is pretty much a joke. They use swept wing aerodynamics on straight wing prop driven planes and the fanbois are clueless. 

 

Il2 is certainly cheaper, especially if you like single player. VR performance isn't great and spotting without labels/markers/icons is unrealistically difficult. It is cheap per hour and the flight models are better than DCS props. I do not like IL2's very poor control setup interface. DCS does a much better job allowing a controller profile for each aircraft. That is what Il2 needs to do, especially with American iron on the horizon.

 

War Thunder is the best VR experience. The flight models are surprisingly good in simulator battles (SB) and long distance spotting is good although close in tracking has its problems in VR. Labels/markers/icons are not necessary and are not on for enemy in SB. I spend more money on War Thunder than Il2 just to speed things up but soon I won't need to spend at all. I play War Thunder far more than the other two mainly because it is easier to get loaded and into a fight.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Guys did you noticed new pricing ?

BOS From 49.99

 

To $16.99 

[ShamrockOneFive]

2 minutes ago, 307_Tomcat said:

Guys did you noticed new pricing ?

BOS From 49.99

 

To $16.99 

 

There's a week long sale on.

[Rjel]

36 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

There's a week long sale on.

Looking at the price points for all the existing theaters with the sale, it kind of negates this entire thread. There is little reason for all those who've complained about the cost being too high not to jump on board now. It doesn't really get any cheaper. For that price, anyone wishing for a free demo could buy in. BUT remember, unless tens of thousands of simmers jump on the train at these cut rate prices, those that do aren't going to help fuel further development as much as they might think.

Edited October 22, 2018 by Rjel

[ShamrockOneFive]

3 minutes ago, Rjel said:

Looking at the price points for all the existing theaters with the sale, it kind of negates this entire thread. There is little reason for all those who've complained about the cost being too high not to jump on board now. It doesn't really can't get any cheaper. For that price, anyone wishing for a free demo could buy in. BUT remember, unless tens of thousands of simmers jump on the train at these cut rate prices, those that do aren't going to help fuel further development as much as they might think.

 

Pretty much.

 

The issue leveled over the many years has been that IL-2 is too expensive. And relative to the bargain $10 price tag that Il-2: 1946 is/was at the end of its lifespan it is but relative to what it costs to develop a next gen flight sim and keep building content and features to make it better, we're still getting a bargain so far as I can tell. No matter what the pricing is normally, 1CGS has been extremely good at making sure there are multiple sales and offering some pretty deep discounts every year.

 

I've been diligent too in writing up a post on Stormbirds every time there's a sale. Some may think that's for the developers (and maybe it is) but in my mind I know not everyone can afford full prices. However, they may be able to make a sale price happen within their budget and I want as many people to be able to get onboard as possible and have the same enjoyment that I have.

[Ptk]

This is cheap entertainment, the cost works out to pennies per hour.

 

 I probably save money by playing this, I could be doing much more expensive things with my time.

[Rolling_Thunder]

1 hour ago, =475FG=DAWGER said:

As an owner and regular player in all three titles, DCS, Il2 and War Thunder I can say i like aspects of all three.

 

DCS is great for jets and using some real world procedures. In VR without labels/markers/icons, DCS is a non-starter. Spotting is awful and VR performance is poor. Pricing is high and there is little real content produced. WWII in DCS is pretty much a joke. They use swept wing aerodynamics on straight wing prop driven planes and the fanbois are clueless. 

 

Il2 is certainly cheaper, especially if you like single player. VR performance isn't great and spotting without labels/markers/icons is unrealistically difficult. It is cheap per hour and the flight models are better than DCS props. I do not like IL2's very poor control setup interface. DCS does a much better job allowing a controller profile for each aircraft. That is what Il2 needs to do, especially with American iron on the horizon.

 

War Thunder is the best VR experience. The flight models are surprisingly good in simulator battles (SB) and long distance spotting is good although close in tracking has its problems in VR. Labels/markers/icons are not necessary and are not on for enemy in SB. I spend more money on War Thunder than Il2 just to speed things up but soon I won't need to spend at all. I play War Thunder far more than the other two mainly because it is easier to get loaded and into a fight.

I pretty much agree with most of that. If WT had any form of decent SP or an ai with any form of intelligence I would probably reinstall it. I wouldn't say the VR experience is better in WT than BoX I find them both pretty good. I find the biggest chasm between the 3 is the developers. WT is all about throwing out more and more goals to grind for. More and more grind to skip with cash. DCS really don't care what their customers want. It's an uncoordinated mess. I look forward to see how heatblur do with their tomcat and the promised extras that will really flesh out the module and justify the asking price. A refreshing change. 1cgs offer the best all round product. Well coordinated. Always improving, updating, they listen to their customers wants and are not above ignoring feedback and implementing changes based on customer research and feedback.

 

I look forward to bobp and whatever comes after. No hesitation opening my wallet for any ea these guys release. I've spent a lot of money on DCS that, to me, was a waste, to me $5 for certain modules was a waste. Every cent spent on BoX, I feel, was worth it. Value for money is subjective. If you feel $50 is too much do not buy another release. But do not expect the devs to lower their price because you feel their hard work does not warrant their asking price.

Edit

This second part is not directed towards you dawger. Sorry if it appears that way.

Edited October 22, 2018 by Rolling_Thunder

[CCIP]

Just as a thought on the value of collector planes: one thing I'd love to see to bump up their value a little is if, at least in future releases, they came with their own scripted campaign. It doesn't have to be anything fancy or long - even just a 5-6 mission "mini campaign" to highlight the good points and teach some of the historical tactics with the type would be great. I take no issue with the pricing - but I think it would make a pretty solid selling point, easing the player in, providing at least a couple of hours of content out of the box, and hopefully serving the online community too (by "priming" new flyers with a bit of structured stick time, rather than tempting them to jump right into career or multiplayer unprepared and causing all sorts of newbie frustration).

 

Otherwise, I've really got no big beef with the costs - being a frequent flyer of payware in FSX, imo the cost vs. content ratio in BoX is very very good.

[=RS=Stix_09]

I have no problem with pricing, except  collector planes I feel, are a bit pricey when you compare to a full bos,bom etc purchase.

I like the fact the game gets updated all the time and is in continuous development (I currently own bos/bom/bok). Its actually far cheaper in the long run and less painful than a free to play(pay) model like Warthunder.

 

My suggestion would be to have a trial period, maybe to let people try it out (free access for say 24-48 hrs), no need to do a demo. Easy simple to do.
Unlock your account, to try it out and then buy if you like it, if then account gets closed after trial.

 

My only real complaint is its not very new player friendly.

I would like to see them do more to help new players  get into the game. Pretty much all the info is community based; manuals, specs , how to fly videos etc.

I personally found it a long a more painful process to get into the game, than it needed to be (a user should not have to hunt all over the internet and this forum to learn how to make this great game work), Very little (nothing really) is done directly from the developers in their own sales info or in the game itself.

Without all the community input this game would not be where it is now IMHO and I don't think they do enough to point people in the right direction after initial purchase (or give those that produced all that info wonderful stuff enough credit for all the work they did, win win for everybody, but no has not happened)

 

and plenty  of great documentation, howto's (NOW) do exist but you have to look all over this forum (mainly) to find it all

(And this is even more vital when you are new to sims)

 

I'm going through the mission building guides currently (amazing community work) and without these it would be virtually an impossible task, and thats pretty much been my learning experiences to get IL-2 working and usable...

 

 

Bare in mind in my country (exchange rate) I pay 2x what people in America and Europe pay.And a sale will sometime get close to what most are buy this for....

(EDIT: And as some have pointed out even more for them... so think about that when you complain on price... AND I don't think game is overpriced at all for the amount of value you get out of it)

Edited October 30, 2018 by Stix_09
typo

[kestrel79]

I've never once complained about the price of a flight sim compared to other "games". Guys we're such a small genre in gaming...even sims for that matter. The fact they are making such a high quality game for us with constant updates and improvements in a timely fashion and very close to schedule is nothing short of a miracle. It's so worth the price! I'll always support this dev team. Keep up the great work. Insert "shut up and take my money meme here"

[40plus]

I for one think I get good value for my money our of these devs and this title.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Compared to MSFS or P3D with payware planes, payware scenery, and payware utilities, this is very relatively inexpensive compared to that.   If you like the kind of simulation that IL-2 is, and you spend $80 to $250, you can get literally hundreds or thousands of hours of entertainment, over a time frame measured in years.  So very few things in the world have such a high value-to-cost ratio. 

Edited October 25, 2018 by SeaSerpent

[=475FG=_DAWGER]

On 10/22/2018 at 4:28 PM, Rolling_Thunder said:

I pretty much agree with most of that. If WT had any form of decent SP or an ai with any form of intelligence I would probably reinstall it. I wouldn't say the VR experience is better in WT than BoX I find them both pretty good. I find the biggest chasm between the 3 is the developers. WT is all about throwing out more and more goals to grind for. More and more grind to skip with cash. DCS really don't care what their customers want. It's an uncoordinated mess. I look forward to see how heatblur do with their tomcat and the promised extras that will really flesh out the module and justify the asking price. A refreshing change. 1cgs offer the best all round product. Well coordinated. Always improving, updating, they listen to their customers wants and are not above ignoring feedback and implementing changes based on customer research and feedback.

 

I look forward to bobp and whatever comes after. No hesitation opening my wallet for any ea these guys release. I've spent a lot of money on DCS that, to me, was a waste, to me $5 for certain modules was a waste. Every cent spent on BoX, I feel, was worth it. Value for money is subjective. If you feel $50 is too much do not buy another release. But do not expect the devs to lower their price because you feel their hard work does not warrant their asking price.

Edit

This second part is not directed towards you dawger. Sorry if it appears that way.

Having flown all three recently, I still hold that WT VR has the edge although they introduced haze that has certainly made all three almost equally bad.

 

WT is in a constant development cycle, producing mountains of content that I personally will never use but they seem more responsive to bug reports.

 

Simulator battles in WT is where I fly daily with my wingman. We always find a room with decent human competition and the matchups are reasonably historical in the tiers we fly.

 

I have high hopes for Il2 as I would like to experience the grand scale battles I remember from 15 years ago in the old titles once again and WT will never be that.

 

From a money standpoint, the software is a very minor expense. I have $2200 invested in a PC that I would not have otherwise. $400 in VR HMD. $1000 in Stick, Throttle and Rudder Pedals. 

 

I came into this hobby when it was $2 an hour to play online and dropped $100 per month in 1995 money into it. That transitioned to $20 per month subscription, the $15 and now I might spend $10 per month on non-hardware purchases. It isn't even a budget consideration at that level.

[Lusekofte]

On 10/22/2018 at 4:40 PM, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

Ha, no. DCS much?

Cant really be compared , it is a lot of logistics following a DCS module, and bugs , but that is another story.

 

These topics always fall into the compare fight . For me BOS  or GB are cheap in every way , and the developers have made it accessible for almost everybody. A lot of DCS modules are made by a third party , and these are trying to make a living out of this one module they worked on for a year, until they can develop the next one. 

I cannot say I prefer one before another. But just flying GB bores me to death, it is good for the fight, but not for the simulation and gaining experience in a plane. Both are the best in different ways. But please do not compare the prices it is simply not possible to do in a fair way

Edited October 26, 2018 by LuseKofte

[CanadaOne]

On ‎10‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 4:19 PM, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

 

 

I've been diligent too in writing up a post on Stormbirds every time there's a sale. Some may think that's for the developers (and maybe it is) but in my mind I know not everyone can afford full prices.

 

 

 

...and once again I'll be the obsequious one and tell people to visit your site. It's very well put together and deserves an audience. 

[Mac_Messer]

13 hours ago, Stix_09 said:

I have no problem with pricing, except  collector planes I feel, are a bit pricey when you compare to a full bos,bom etc purchase.

 

Collector planes are for enthusiasts. If you feel that paying separately for the Mc 202 is too much, you probably shouldn`t buy it. For other collector planes however, you may feel the "I must have it now" emotion.

 

Sometimes I think why many people write "I`d give $50 for one plane" so many times. Then you see devs giving ppl what they want, then they complain about the price...wut.

14 hours ago, Stix_09 said:

Bare in mind in my country (exchange rate) I pay 2x what people in America and Europe pay.And a sale will sometime get close to what most are buy this for....

Booohoo, my exchange rate is 3,8 i still think it`s worth it.

 

For others that don`t, well let`s just say we put our monies where our mouth is or no WWII flightsims in the future.

[RedKestrel]

On 10/22/2018 at 4:19 PM, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

Pretty much.

 

The issue leveled over the many years has been that IL-2 is too expensive. And relative to the bargain $10 price tag that Il-2: 1946 is/was at the end of its lifespan it is but relative to what it costs to develop a next gen flight sim and keep building content and features to make it better, we're still getting a bargain so far as I can tell. No matter what the pricing is normally, 1CGS has been extremely good at making sure there are multiple sales and offering some pretty deep discounts every year.

 

I've been diligent too in writing up a post on Stormbirds every time there's a sale. Some may think that's for the developers (and maybe it is) but in my mind I know not everyone can afford full prices. However, they may be able to make a sale price happen within their budget and I want as many people to be able to get onboard as possible and have the same enjoyment that I have.

I appreciate the sales notifications. Its what allowed me to get into this game. After being forced to buy a new rig when my laptop died, I couldn't justify full price for the games in the budget. Then I saw BoM and BoS go on sale about 6 months ago. I got both games for less than the full price of the regular games. And this happens on a regular basis. When I bought BoM and BoS I told myself I'd buy Kuban when it went on sale in the fall - and lo and behold it did. I still have only just gotten through my BoM career so its not like I'm running out of things to do in SP. MP is slightly more of an issue but still not so bad.

If I pick up BoK on sale this week (and I hope to), I'll have spent a grand total of $80.00 on the game so far, and have access to all the standard planes and all the maps. The collector planes just haven't stirred up my interest (except maybe the La-5, but I always sucked with that in old Il-2 so I haven't bit the bullet on that one. So I have everything I need to engage with all the full release content for under $100. 

[PatrickAWlson]

On 10/22/2018 at 4:31 PM, Ptk said:

This is cheap entertainment, the cost works out to pennies per hour.

 

 I probably save money by playing this, I could be doing much more expensive things with my time.

 

+1.  I spend a lot of time playing and modding games, but not all that much money on the software.  A few hundred per year at most, and most of that going to 1C.  It is pennies per hour.

[THERION]

6 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

except maybe the La-5, but I always sucked with that in old Il-2 so I haven't bit the bullet on that one

 

Wouldn't it be worth a try? Maybe you don't suck in BOX... 

[RedKestrel]

Just now, -IRRE-Therion said:

 

Wouldn't it be worth a try? Maybe you don't suck in BOX... 

Allow me to correct myself:
I sucked WORSE with the La-5 than other planes. It's more of a spectrum of suck. Without a doubt I will suck with the La-5 in BoS, the only question is, how much?

[THERION]

1 minute ago, RedKestrel said:

Allow me to correct myself:
I sucked WORSE with the La-5 than other planes. It's more of a spectrum of suck. Without a doubt I will suck with the La-5 in BoS, the only question is, how much?

 

Why you just don't go and try? 

[Herne]

On 10/21/2018 at 7:33 PM, itsthatguy said:

 

A lot of you seem to think I'm complaining about the prices, or that I think they are too high. I'm not. Once again, I'm simply pointing out a peculiarity that I had an offhand thought about last night.

I agree that the prices charged are more than justified, and I want to support the devs as much as I can. I agree that this is the best WWII sim and that the price is justified.

 

On the note of DCS, I think their pricing structure, and the prices themselves, are fine. If anything, it makes a bit more sense that BoX's does, at least to me.

 

I understand how software licensing works. The point here is that if you buy 4 BoX titiles, you are not only paying for the content that they comprise of. You are also paying for the license to use their client 4 times over.

 

ONCE AGAIN, I'm NOT complaining about the pricing.

 

What we are really paying for is ongoing development, When you take into account wages, infrastructure, utility bills etc it all adds up.
 

Honestly in terms of consistently churning out improvements and new content, mostly meeting declared timelines, then I can't think of a better Dev Studio. 

When I think of how much quality entertainment I have had from IL2 GB, not to mention the things yet to come, then this has to be one of the best value games (in terms of hours played / $ ) I've ever bought.

[RedKestrel]

46 minutes ago, -IRRE-Therion said:

 

Why you just don't go and try? 

Tempt me not, demon, for behold my wallet, verily it is nearly empty, and I doth need to make rent this month like a responsible adult!
Gonna dip into my mad money and buy Kuban, but if my mouse slips and I buy the La-5 I'm blaming you! 

[ZachariasX]

31 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Tempt me not, demon, for behold my wallet, verily it is nearly empty, and I doth need to make rent this month like a responsible adult!
Gonna dip into my mad money and buy Kuban, but if my mouse slips and I buy the La-5 I'm blaming you! 

You could buy both.

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, RedKestrel said:

Tempt me not, demon, for behold my wallet, verily it is nearly empty, and I doth need to make rent this month like a responsible adult!
Gonna dip into my mad money and buy Kuban, but if my mouse slips and I buy the La-5 I'm blaming you! 

Well thanks to the generosity of @-IRRE-Therion my mouse needs not slip to buy the La-5! Thank you! 

I am now, of course, morally obligated to learn how to use the La-5 properly, or die many times in the attempt.

[ShamrockOneFive]

10 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

Well thanks to the generosity of @-IRRE-Therion my mouse needs not slip to buy the La-5! Thank you! 

I am now, of course, morally obligated to learn how to use the La-5 properly, or die many times in the attempt.

 

Wonderful news!

 

The La-5 Series 8 you remember from IL-2: 1946 is not the same plane here. I think we have a rather more realistic take on the type. You'll find that its roll rate and speed are excellent as is its firepower. The turn is adequate but not outstanding and so the La-5 is best used as a fast moving fighter that hits and runs (or boom and zoom) and uses its roll rate to position itself for attacks from above and below. Don't get into prolonged turn fights...except maybe with FW190s where I think things are about even.

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On 10/27/2018 at 1:31 AM, Mac_Messer said:

Collector planes are for enthusiasts. If you feel that paying separately for the Mc 202 is too much, you probably shouldn`t buy it. For other collector planes however, you may feel the "I must have it now" emotion.

 

Sometimes I think why many people write "I`d give $50 for one plane" so many times. Then you see devs giving ppl what they want, then they complain about the price...wut.

Booohoo, my exchange rate is 3,8 i still think it`s worth it.

 

For others that don`t, well let`s just say we put our monies where our mouth is or no WWII flightsims in the future.

Exactly , don't buy, which I haven't, so whats your point? That's kind of a given, and not the point I was making which is that collector planes are priced  much high in relation to full packages. I'd like to buy a couple of these but not going to pay 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a full game just for 1 plane. That's a loss for the developer in sales as I'm sure they could sell more otherwise...

 

Booohoo,??? Really ?  I think you missed a few points , maybe go think again about what I said (without the negativity).

 

These games are priced fairly IMHO and well worth it as others have said entertainment wise (collector planes a little high in my opinion FOR MY NEEDS)

They just had a sale on last week , I almost purchased the LA5n and JU52... It was soo close to a click... ?