What about this??

[SCG_ErwinP]

I was flying in WoL when my aircraft suddently "crash"....
Please, watch the entire video.
I want explanation about it.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[Gambit21]

I made it to 5 seconds.

I'll try again later.

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

That is odd... i've never seen something like this

 

[Gambit21]

OK, had to break up a dog fight...grrrrr.

 

Yeah that's weird alright.

 

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

Was it the plane directly behind you that got the kill?

 

[AndyJWest]

Weird? Definitely. I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility of bad ping/lag/jitter being responsible though. If it gets bad enough, what you see at your end can be very different from what the opposing player sees, and hits are based on what the shooter sees, rather than what the target does.

 

 

[JG1_Vonrd]

Yeah, pretty weird.

Strange things happen when either one or both or both parties have poor ping and / or packet loss (is that the correct term?) and WOL seems to be particularly susceptible. It may be due to that. What was your ping? Probably no way to tell what the other pilot's ping was. I would chalk it up to something like that. Hacking is unlikely IMO. What would he / she have to gain?

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

2 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

Weird? Definitely. I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility of bad ping/lag/jitter being responsible though. If it gets bad enough, what you see at your end can be very different from what the opposing player sees, and hits are based on what the shooter sees, rather than what the target does.

 

 

 

I agree.... although that wing ripping off looked like it was from a impact of a cannon. The angle of attack does not correlate with the timing of his wing cutting loose

 

[SCG_ErwinP]

I have some news. There is a IL2, 4,45 kilometers away from me... I will upload another video.

4 minutes ago, II./JG77_HankDG said:

Was it the plane directly behind you that got the kill?

 

No, was IL2, 4.45 kilometers away.

I'll upload new video with more details.

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

it was the one that was firing way off in the distance? I'd say one lucky ass shot lol

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

It almost looks like some sort of invisible collision.

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

Too bad you didn't have tac view

[SCG_ErwinP]

58 minutes ago, II./JG77_HankDG said:

Too bad you didn't have tac view

Yes, too bad.
But in new video you can see the real distance between me and IL2 after i dived..
I don't believe in NetCode, Lag or Bug.

Edited October 16, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

It looks like the il2 shot into the water. I've personally brought down pe-2's with ricocheted shots..... Not disclaiming you, i wasn't there. Either way, that is weird 

[Ehret]

In WoL AI turrets can do impossible shots like ripping a fighter apart from spinning bomber...

If that IL2 had a rear AI gunner then it would be most probable explanation. (imo)

If that IL2 was on her way down then it's +10x times more likely.

Edited October 16, 2018 by Ehret

[SCG_ErwinP]

3 minutes ago, Ehret said:

In WoL AI turrets can do impossible shots like ripping plane apart from spinning bomber...

If that IL2 had a rear AI gunner then it would most probable explanation. (imo)

What a crazy conclusion, I was >4 km ahead of him.

Wasn't AI gunner... You will see in the new video.

 

 

Those IL2 haven't gunner.

Edited October 16, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[Ehret]

Just now, 3./JG15_HansPhilipp said:

What a crazy conclusion, I was >4 km ahead of him.

Wasn't AI gunner... You will see in the new video.

 

I had been totally ripped apart by the bomber's light machine guns at least +700m distance, before. The bomber was seconds before crash and flagged as "shot-down", already. Still, got me and that's crazy, too.

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

6 minutes ago, 3./JG15_HansPhilipp said:

What a crazy conclusion, I was >4 km ahead of him.

Wasn't AI gunner... You will see in the new video.

 

 

 

 

Yeah that's not ping..... that's either luck from a ricocheted shot, or hacking 

[SCG_ErwinP]

3 minutes ago, Ehret said:

+700m

I WAS >4K AWAY.

3 minutes ago, II./JG77_HankDG said:

that's either luck from a ricocheted shot

4k ahead of him, hahahahahahahaha 
That was....

What a joke....

Edited October 16, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[AndyJWest]

The thing is, you may have been 4K away from your view, but with really bad lag, it could have been a lot less as seen from the IL-2. Without  further evidence I think you'll have to put it down to bad luck.

[Ehret]

12 minutes ago, 3./JG15_HansPhilipp said:

I WAS >4K AWAY.

 

If the IL2 had 23mm then rounds were 880m/s and the IL2 started firing from higher altitude at downward angle. The bullets had some gravity assist; they bounced from water-table, and hit around 4-5s delay.

 

It (roughly) checks but to successfully aim such shoot... that's extraordinary, indeed. It looks the IL2 driver had known what is doing so... a genius marksmanship or, incredibly lucky shoot, or...

Edited October 16, 2018 by Ehret

[ShamrockOneFive]

23 minutes ago, 3./JG15_HansPhilipp said:

Yes, too bad.
But in new video you can see the real distance between me and IL2 after i dived..
I don't believe in NetCode, Lag or Bug. To me it's a hacker.

 

Things we know:

1) Definitely weird

2) You were shot down and the server reported it as the IL-2 4-5km behind you

 

Things we don't know:

1) Game state between the two clients

2) Ping/packet loss

3) Possibilities of cheating

 

Jumping straight to hacking (and now you've revealed the person you think responsible) is not particularly helpful. It's definitely weird but I've seen weird things happen in multiplayer games for years that didn't require hacks or software mods to make it happen.

 

IL-2 to the best of my knowledge calculates hits client side so if you were in front of him on his screen and he fired at you... The server would have to acknowledge that you were hit and rip your wing off regardless of what it looks like on your screen.

 

You shouldn't rule out hacking. You also shouldn't jump to conclusions.

[SCG_ErwinP]

20 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

The thing is, you may have been 4K away from your view, but with really bad lag, it could have been a lot less as seen from the IL-2. Without  further evidence I think you'll have to put it down to bad luck.

Bad luck? Okay. 

16 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

You shouldn't rule out hacking. You also shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Okay 

[CrazyDuck]

Why would IL-2 pilot shoot into empty water? He might have seen you there (as a consequence of bad lag).

 

It's only my opinion what happened and I might very well be wrong. It would be nice to see the track file - would you be willing to share it?

 

 

[CountZero]

its just bad ping and or lag, and in all il-2 games since 1946 version what you see in replays is not what both players see or what realy happend on server when players have high pings and are from long way from server like in this case.

 

In this case you have guy from brazil and guy from usa on server in russia, and not stable server, in game that has crapy netcode.

So same thing as happends in this video with guy from usa and brazil in same server.

 

 

it happends to me also few times on wol when i shoot at guys that are from far in relation to server, but usealy guys from brazil, i can see hitting them and no damage and then minutes later they just fall apart. And when i see its elanski your talking about im sure there is nothing fishy about it its just netproblem.

Edited October 16, 2018 by 77.CountZero

[SCG_ErwinP]

I do not think it was Netcode, Lag, bad ping or packet loss because I cross with him minutes before. So after that I dived, ran, etc.

Is IL2 faster than La5 to overtake it and catch me?

Maybe I'm with vision "overshadowed" and not seeing the truth.
I'll ignore what happened, it's the best thing to do.

Edited October 16, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[CountZero]

in reality what happend is that he hit you after you pass infront of him, and if you can see his replay thats what you would see. His bullets hitting you before you were far from him, because of lag what you see and what is on your replay is that you lost your wing mutch later in your game, again because of lag, but you were hit mutch earlyer by him not when you were that far from him. This happends in this game because of bad netcode, its normal.

To me its clear as day, but you belive what ever you wont, i see you have your mined set on what you wont to belive it hapend, so no explanation of what realy happend will change it, even if it comes from devs, and i would not expect explanation coming from them as they dont waist time on this things.

[SCG_ErwinP]

Okay, I understood. Thank you CountZero!

 

 

One thing @77.CountZero, he shots a lot of seconds after a cross from him....

Another fact, after crossing with him I stood above him and he did not shoot ....
These facts don't fit....

Edited October 16, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[CountZero]

again in situations with lag what mathers in this game is what shooting guy do.

So you on  your replay dont see exact moment he shoots( looking at that 2nd video thats probably at 21s mark), and when he hits you, you on your replay see that moment mutch later. He shoot mutch earlyer at you and you were hit then, after that because of lag you recive that data on your pc later, and you see him shooting and you losing wing mutch later on your replay.

 

If stats have exact time of when his bullets hit you displayed as mission time and not as server time like its now, you could then confirm this by looking on your replay what time server stats detect your were hit in that mission, and look at your cockpit watch time, you would see it would be differant because of lag.

 

untill wol doesent has server in usa this will continue to happend, and guy shooting will have advantage on you in lag the way this works in this game

 

 

Edited October 16, 2018 by 77.CountZero

[SCG_ErwinP]

Thak you all for your time!