Best 190 & 109 Variants?

[VSN_Razor]

53 minutes ago, adler_1 said:

how much heavier was the FW190 A5 against the A3 ?

 

 

Compare: 

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by VSN_Razor

[Ram399]

Here's a comparison chart for early to mid war 109s that I keep on hand from a Sheriff video:

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And the video in question:

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[PatrickAWlson]

@Ram399

 

That chart is interesting in that it shows the way of development for piston engine planes in general and the redefinition of "maneuverability".  First, get faster.  Then maneuverability transitions from "how tight of a circle can I turn at low speed" to "how responsive is my plane at high speed"

[esk_pedja]

Bf-109 F4 is the best "dogfighter" of its time ( ...vs Spit Vb ) everything else in subsequent G series was constructed  with a bomber attacking in mind ( heavier construction, less sensitive to bombers machineguns ...but less dogfighting "falcons" )   

 

Talking about FW-190 series, my favorite is A3... just like Me 109, everything after that was a compromise of Bomber stopping /Ground attack / Dogfight. 

Later models were more "hit and run"... as extensive dogfight with Allied tide of numerical superiority - did not make much sense.

 

Since we do not have Heavy bombers in this sim... Fw-190 is somewhat less important compared to history... especially after patch with a ""damage of control rods" when you do not need all that firepower.  ( one burst of G6 kicks Razorback Jug out of control... )  

[JG7_X-Man]

On 9/3/2020 at 2:15 PM, esk_pedja said:

...Since we do not have Heavy bombers in this sim... Fw-190 is somewhat less important compared to history... especially after patch with a ""damage of control rods" when you do not need all that firepower.  ( one burst of G6 kicks Razorback Jug out of control... )  

 

Ummm I would disagree - the Fw 190 was designed to be a counter part to the Me 109. It first flew in 1941 and was better than every Spitfire - until the IX, in every way but sustained turn rate. It had well balanced ailerons that gave it a fantastic roll rate that no plane could follow.

 

Do not assume that just because it's build and armament made it a very good bomber killer that that is what the 190 was primarily designed for that purpose. 

[Zeev]

Best variant of 190 is having 109's canopy. But oh well...

I cannot stand the small canopy of 190, even with Trackir it feels too claustrophobic. Flying in formation with this thing is a nightmare.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Zeev

[Avimimus]

Fw-190A3 = First generation Fw-190 air superiority fighter. Short nose causes it to enter turns easily and stall smoothly.  Fewer armament options.

Fw-190A4 = Similar to the A3 except with a greater variety of armament options (i.e. bomber, fighter-bomber, destroyer variations).

Fw-190A5 = Nose lengthened to move center of mass forward. Heavier elevator but less likely to enter a spin when loaded with bombs.

Fw-190A6 = New wing with four of the more powerful MG-151 20mm cannons. Other improvements.

Fw-190A8 = Improved high altitude performance and fuel. Heavy machine guns. Many options, including the dedicated F-8 ground attack variant.

Fw-190A9 = Improved engine power. Uparmoured. New canopy with improved visibility. Otherwise similar to the A8.

Fw-190D9 = Much longer aircraft. New engine with improved power. Totally different handling and turning abilities. Specialised as a fighter with fewer armament options.

[FeuerFliegen]

On 9/13/2018 at 7:42 AM, blitze said:

Not sure but I got to fly in my career a G6 last night for the first time in a bomber intercept.  30mm was a lovely addition and although it felt a little heavier in flight, WEP is longer duration

 

Longer WEP duration on G-6?  I'm pretty sure it's just 1 minute, like all of the previous G and F model 109s.

Edited September 17, 2020 by SCG_FeuerFliegen

[ATAG_Flare]

My favourite 109 is the E-1. It's the lightest one and for some reason it's fun to be the underdog flying with only MGs.

 

Second favourite is definitely the F-2. Again, it basically flies like an F-4 but it's fun to use the 15mm as a "sniper" weapon going for pilot kills.

 

For the 190 the A-3 is an obvious choice but the A-8 is a beast for other reasons. It's an absolute unit.

[EAF19_Marsh]

They were not really ‘designed’ for many of the mid-to-late-war tasks; they ‘evolved’. The 109 was a 1936 aircraft, the 190 of 1938. Anticipation of specific fighter vs. fighter tactics, fighter-bomber attacks, intercepting of heavy bombers and so forth is retrospective. Few of the major fighters of WW2 were ‘designed’ to perform many of the tasks to which they were ultimately committed, except for shooting down other aircraft.