Skin 4k Fw 190 A-8

October 5, 2018

2 hours ago, E69_julian57 said:

Thanks Madcop for the info, I understand a gallon on the bottom surface of the right wing.
I have to look for a lot of information, although sometimes I do not find what I'm looking for

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, on the underside of the LEFT wing (at your 9 o'clock when seated at the controls !)

Have fun...

Madcop.

October 5, 2018

Yesssssssssss, I did well, I wrong right to say no left.
I'm sorry, I'm left-handed.

Edited October 5, 2018 by E69_julian57

October 5, 2018

4 minutes ago, E69_julian57 said:

Yesssssssssss, I did well, I wrong right to say no left.
I'm sorry, I'm left-handed.

YES

No reason to be ashamed off, really !

Left or Right, nice skin anyway !

Madcop

October 5, 2018

Well, I already have them, and as a gift ...
FW 190 F-8 Black 11 of 5./SG 77, Cottbus / Germany, early March 1945

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October 6, 2018

On ‎10‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 9:00 PM, E69_julian57 said:

Bueno, ya los tengo, y como regalo ...
FW 190 F-8 Negro 11 de 5./SG 77, Cottbus / Alemania, principios de marzo de 1945

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Well done Julian, but to be more correct the yellow chevron should wrap around the leading edge on go on until it meets the first panel line of the top of wing.

Now I do not know whether it's possible or not for you to do that (template ? ).

Congrats.

Madcop

October 6, 2018

October 7, 2018

22 hours ago, E69_julian57 said:

October 8, 2018

Without any doubt - Julian, your skins are one of the best what i saw. Keep in great work mate.

October 9, 2018

-Updating of skins FW 190 F-8 Hungaros. v.4 09/10/2018
-Updating the skin fw 190 A-8 2 JG 301 8Y, v.4
- Skin 4k fw 190 F-8 5SG2 Eugen Lorcher 3 Black v.4

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October 9, 2018

3 hours ago, E69_julian57 said:

-Updating of skins FW 190 F-8 Hungaros. v.4 09/10/2018
-Updating the skin fw 190 A-8 2 JG 301 8Y, v.4
- Skin 4k fw 190 F-8 5SG2 Eugen Lorcher 3 Black v.4

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Hi Julian

Thanks for the RHAF updates… Now I like them more than before ! Congratulations.

Now as far as Lörcher's F8 is concerned, Iooking at the picture, it looks like the oil cooler cowl looks very dark on all the circumference (RLM 74 or 75.)

The wing camo is very light and it wouldn't be that unusual if it were RLM 75/77.

The moveable part of the canopy is rather darker than the fuselage and it could be RLM 74 and 66 for the pilot's head protection.

The top of the fuselage behind the canopy seems to be painted a very light shade (RLM 77 ?)

The weapons cowling could also be RLM 74 or 75 with the engine cowling painted dark green - RLM 82)on the upper side.

As replacement engine were delivered as an egg, it could differ totally in paint scheme from the aircraft that should receive it.

I'll send you some stuff.

Of course this is a personal interpretation, but I saw some other "analysis" of this aircraft that seems to agree;

Again, all my congrats for your work and dedication.

Madcop.

October 10, 2018

Hi Madcop, on the black 3 the RLM are green 83 gray violet 75 and the rest in natural metal.
Likewise I did not get the effect of the bare metal and I do not think the metal was very polished, like the USAAF planes.
The color tone of the metal I gave it equal to the color of the ICDP template.
Your have more info would be good

Edited October 10, 2018 by E69_julian57

October 10, 2018

4 hours ago, E69_julian57 said:

Hi Madcop, on the black 3 the RLM are green 83y gray violet 75 and the rest in natural metal.
Likewise I did not get the effect of the bare metal and I do not think the metal was very polished, like the USAAF planes.
The color tone of the metal I gave it equal to the color of the ICDP template.
Your have more info would be good

Hi Julian

I sent you (yesterday) some info through "We transfer".

In my preceding post I just realized that I made a mistake. RLM 82 is bright Green ( Hellgrün) whereas RLM 83 is dark green (Dunkelgrün).

Your shade of green is the bright one (RLM 82).

The wings seem to me to bright to be 74/75 or 75/82 other than very , very weathered 74/75. There are pictures of Fw 190 with 75/77 wings.

Now for the natural metal (weathered) I personally would have chosen a more whitish tone, as it looks now too greyish ( for me I see it as painted light grey…).

Looking at the pics you can easily notice that the tone of the top aft fuselage is far lighter than the Canopy frame. They can't be both of the same colour.

This said in all respect of your work as always, I am not a skinner and have not the slightest idea how it works, but I know it requires a lot of time and attention , for all what I am grateful to you.

Madcop

October 10, 2018

Hi Madcop, this RLM camouflage color is a mess because it depends on the font you use and not all is the same, in fact the same color with different RLM references.
I almost always use the references that ICDP gives us in their template, since it is very comfortable and saves a lot of time, and I see it as correct.
Also the information you see on the internet, publications and books is very wrong sometimes.
This is the complexity of the skins if you want the most historical possible.

I did not see anything, how did you send ...?

October 10, 2018

Hi Julian

At your email address through "We transfer" like last time for the 109.

You could also check your Junk Mail .

Madcop.

PS . I always look at pictures because these are my primary information sources. In this case I suppose that you will agree with me when I say that the aft fuselage is way lighter than the canopy frame. And also that the top of the said aft fuselage is lighter in shade than the side of it. If you agree for both , than we are O.K.

Yes, or not ? If you agree, why did you use the same colour for the canopy frame and aft fuselage ? The same is valid for the front of engine.

As I am not a skinner I just wanted to know why or for what technical reason you chose to ignore it.

Understand me, I know you want to be the most historical as possible and I just want to point some interesting details that can help you to interprete this.

The only mess that exist in RLM colours are between RLM 82 and RLM 83. It has now long been accepted that RLM 83 was Dark Green and RLM 83 Bright green. The usual combination was 75/83 or 82/83 and even 75/77. RLM 81 or "Braunviollet" has been described as an alteration of RLM 83.

Yes you are right that internet is full of crap and one day expert. As for the publications and books , you still have to choose the good author , not the one that have compiled all what he's found on the web and in reference books !

Keep on the good work and research.

Madcop

October 13, 2018

Skin 4k fw 190 A-8 / R-6 3 / JG 10 8 Black 10/13/2018
Update of F-8 5 / SG2 Eugen Lörcher 3 black.
Update of F8 2 / SG2 11 yellow

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October 13, 2018

Skin F-8 5/ SG 77 11 black.

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October 14, 2018

Piel 4k Fw 190 A-8 Stab JG 2 Kurt Buhligen.

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October 15, 2018

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October 17, 2018

Skin 4k Fw 190 A-8 fictitious

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October 17, 2018

Hi Julian

As you told me in your last post "Also the information you see on the internet, publications and books is very wrong sometimes.", may I ask you why, for God sake, you should trust this cr...y site called "Wings Palette".?

This Fw you are illustrating, at the time of the checkered cowl (September 1943), could have been a machine ( Fw 190A-5 or A6) from 1.JG 1 was sporting RLM 74-75 and 76.

The A-7 variant was produced from 11.43 till 03.44. still in the, for the time , "classic scheme" of RLM 74-75 and 76.

The green colours were for bombers and dive bombers, and these greens were 70-71, certainly not these late war greens you used on your skin. Moreover these 1-2-3. JG 1 Fw 190A-7 were not wearing these checkerboards cowling any more but black and white horizontal bands instead.

This kind of fuselage black cross is a real première ! Never seen that before ( maybe others but I would than be more than grateful if someone could direct me to a picture …). The "artist" or whatever you may call him, should have had a very rare document on which he based himself !

Sorry for that, but although your work is technically beautiful as usual now, your choice and reference are this time, totally off !. It is not even a question of colour interpretation.

Now, if you did this one to have fun…. it's O.K. , but please tell us.

Madcop

October 17, 2018

Thankyou very much for your time and effort in giving us these wonderful skins julian

@Madcop; your tone in these posts seems to have deteriorated from helping to stalking.

Perhaps your energies might now be better spent learning to make skins yourself?

No doubt when you can, you might be able to bring more.....perspective to your posts?

October 18, 2018

Hello, Madcop
Actually I made this skin by my curiosity call and did not investigate too much, and that cost me time to adjust the chess.
I feel like it's a fantasy skin.
If you want historical skins give me the correct information, I look for info on the internet
but I also get confused with what I see.

Edited October 18, 2018 by E69_julian57

October 18, 2018

30 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Thankyou very much for your time and effort in giving us these wonderful skins julian

@Madcop; your tone in these posts seems to have deteriorated from helping to stalking.

Perhaps your energies might now be better spent learning to make skins yourself?

No doubt when you can, you might be able to bring more.....perspective to your posts?

Hi DD_Arthur

Good evening , or better Good morning,

"@Madcop; your tone in these posts seems to have deteriorated from helping to stalking."

If you mean that I am following Julian's work, you are totally right. I am following his work as I really appreciate what he is doing and the efforts he is deploying to provide us "non-skinners" with beautiful renderings. I already sent Julian some docs to help him in his work. Now , do you really think it's helping him by not telling him when he makes a mistake in his research and based all his efforts and time on wrong source ?...

Did I say he was doing crap work…? NO on the contrary !

Is it stalking Julian when telling him that we can both look at a picture and both have a different approach to it ?

Have I been rude to him ...I don't think so, and he knows it !

When you look at all the corrections that Julian is bringing regularly to his skins you may think that is looking himself for the most (if possible) "historical" renderings.

And that's why I allow myself to comment on his work.

Do you really have to be a musician and play 10 or more different instruments to appreciate a Mozart symphony ?

I am not a skinner, and I won't learn to become one cause I have other things to do with physical paint , brush and airbrush.

Now if I hurt him, I really didn't mean that, on the contrary...

Madcop

October 18, 2018

I appreciate the interest in the skins and the information you gave me, but sometimes I look at the appearance of the skin and not the historical that it could be.

Edited October 18, 2018 by E69_julian57

October 18, 2018

9 minutes ago, E69_julian57 said:

Hello, Madcop
Actually I made this skin by my curiosity call and did not investigate too much, and that cost me time to adjust the chess.
I feel like it's a fantasy skin.
If you want historical skins give me the correct information, I look for info on the internet
but I also get confused with what I see.

I'll do that with pleasure, as I did before, but please tell me for what aircrafts.

I just hope I didn't hurt you with my comment… lying to somebody is never good, and certainly not helping him ! but I must recognize that sometimes the words that I use may sound "harsh" to some. You are Spanish, and I am Belgian (French speaking) and so we both have to use a foreign language and that doesn't help a lot , when "language subtility "is concerned.

Have a good sleep and see Fw flying high !

Madcop

October 18, 2018

No problems Madcop.
Not to vary FW A / F / G / D

October 18, 2018

Skin 4k Fw 190 F-8R1 Stab II/SG2 3Y

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October 18, 2018

Hi Julian,

I have no word !...I am so grateful...SHE IS BEAUTIFUL ! Moreover I like 190 without their pants !

Please, as the cherry on the cake, could you give us the "Green 3" as an alternative. She was a Stab machine … ( Pretty serious references. Japo and Eagle Cal.)

Madcop

October 18, 2018

What is the green 3....?

October 18, 2018

2 hours ago, E69_julian57 said:

What is the green 3....?

The same aircraft (W.Nr.588717) with the individual number in the Stab flight in green instead of yellow. Stab aircrafts use to wear Green numbers. So just the colour of the 3 to change.

Madcop.