[MOD] Mannable navigator position in A-20B (updated for 4.605)

[Stonehouse]

@Murleen just an fyi.

 

While working on the AI gunnery mod I noticed that we overlap on the A20 pilot bot files and that I believe the navigator mod needs an update to match the current game files. 

 

Once you've done your update, I hope that I can organise things so the new optional part of AI gunnery will be compatible with the navigator mod. Fingers crossed anyway.

 

Thanks

[69TH_BIGHOG]

Why is this not included in the simulation? The Mod is great but some if not all servers do not allow Mods, so we cannot use this online. Are they planning to do this? Do we need to do a sign petition from all users? If so, lets start one.

 

[jollyjack]

Just tried the latest 0.6 version in 5.004b. Does it still work? How do you activate it?

[Stonehouse]

It needs an update. See my post 2 up

[jokerBR]

6 hours ago, 69TH_BIGHOG said:

Why is this not included in the simulation? The Mod is great but some if not all servers do not allow Mods, so we cannot use this online. Are they planning to do this? Do we need to do a sign petition from all users? If so, lets start one.

 

Where do I sign up?
Now, TBH, I doubt they will put effort into this, because they'll need to create a whole cockpit view just for the navigator, and to mod a single plane of such an "old module" (Kuban) is certainly very low in the list of current tasks. But we sure can ask! ?

[JG4_Moltke1871]

Just tried first time, its great ?

Is there a chance get a co pilot position for the Ju 52 or C47? Maybe navigators for the Ju88c or Mosquito?

[jollyjack]

Alas now with game 5.108 it does not work ...

[Stonehouse]

On 12/6/2023 at 6:43 AM, jollyjack said:

Alas now with game 5.108 it does not work ...

There might be hope for it. There was a clash between AI Gunnery and this mod at the file level which I have managed to resolve but this would then merge this mod into AI Gunnery. Therefore, I've sent a PM to Murleen asking for permission to proceed but haven't heard back as yet.

 

@Murleen - could you check your PM and let me know either way via a return PM please? I'll respect your decision whatever you decide. Thanks.

[Stonehouse]

Haven't heard back from Murleen so far and therefore holding off publishing things plus no time to finish getting rid of some small issues right now.

 

Generally, I have it working for A20, Mossie, C47, Ju88c6 and Ju52 although I have a few issues with getting cockpit limits (how far you can move the bot viewpoint) and initial viewpoint position in the Ju88c6. Haven't done the Li2 as I don't own it but can probably clone the C47 setup and be pretty close to right. Some are usable in dogfight server MP, no idea why joining as a gunner position was never implemented for co-op MP but it isn't.

[Stonehouse]

Still no response from Murleen and I get the feeling I won't get one. Murleen appears to be too busy or not interested in Il2 stuff these days or not worried about me recycling this mod. Maybe Murleen's inbox is full too.......but he should have got the notification from posts above still.

 

I've got a few cockpit limits not yet set correctly (stops you moving the viewpoint camera outside the cockpit) but pretty much the rest seems to be working ok and I don't have a lot of spare time so I will sort out the limits as time permits. There are some quirks that only the devs can fix. eg Mosquito nav 3d shape quite easily with little adjustment of the viewpoint camera clips the pilot 3d shape making the pilot shape disappear. 

 

Accordingly, I'll include it in my next release of AI Gunnery (this because of the file clashes between this mod and AI Gunnery. Merging them resolves the clash) and credit Murleen and will manage it if Murleen later objects to me including the A20 Nav position and Mosquito (Murleen had started work on this but not finished it and I found it on Github). Depending on how badly the next patch breaks AI Gunnery you may get the new version as a Christmas present.

Edited December 18, 2023 by Stonehouse