Worst enemy for germans

[BMA_Hellbender]

On 7/4/2018 at 11:33 AM, =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn said:

Pe-2, only the Pe-2

 

On 7/4/2018 at 12:43 PM, CSAF-D3adCZE said:

Pe-2. Others can be dealt with accordingly. It is not about plane, it is about pilot. 

 

On 7/4/2018 at 1:02 PM, 150GCT_Veltro said:

Pe-2.

 

On 7/5/2018 at 2:45 PM, Luftschiff said:

Engaging a PE-2 always  comes with a heavy sigh and a 'here we go again'. I just plain don't like fighting them.

 

 

(sorry, I've posted this one before — but given the thread I just had to repost it)

[Willy__]

Didnt you guys read the memo ?

 

Pe-2 won the war

[Nicholas_R_B]

The worst enemy plane for me from experience today is the Spitfire IX. That thing is better than the Bf-109s and I was almost always downed by one. You need like 3 German fighters to against one of those! We NEED an equal to be able to take on it but the question is, is there one? The only thing I think of when I see that someone has it is "Oh crap I am dead!".

Edited July 7, 2018 by Nicholas_R_B

[Ribbon]

Ground and trees?

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Gravity & Pe2.

Lets make a plane that can snipe 190's from 2000m while they doing 800 kph in a roll with only a single bullet.
Its awesome fun.. ?

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

Ground and trees?

You know, with 109's this is most true. They are so fast in a dive and hardly shed parts... thy just love to go fast. Only to find out that they cannot pull out of the dive anymore!

 

On Berloga, it is really a convenient way to kill 109's that way, especially when riding the Spits or Yaks. When they creep up on you from behind, enter a diving spiral, preferably with slight "negative G" and go FAST, until you REALLY have to pull out. In the Yak and the Spit you can pull until you are blacking out. The 109 daring to follow (most do) will tarvel half way to China...

 

[Ribbon]

16 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

You know, with 109's this is most true. They are so fast in a dive and hardly shed parts... thy just love to go fast. Only to find out that they cannot pull out of the dive anymore!

 

On Berloga, it is really a convenient way to kill 109's that way, especially when riding the Spits or Yaks. When they creep up on you from behind, enter a diving spiral, preferably with slight "negative G" and go FAST, until you REALLY have to pull out. In the Yak and the Spit you can pull until you are blacking out. The 109 daring to follow (most do) will tarvel half way to China...

 

Yeah, i love those maneuver kills, more rewarding than shooting down enemy!

 

Joke aside i think i've read somewhere that indeed more pilots died during ww2 by hitting the ground and trees than there were shot down by enemy.

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/3285542/?tour=37

 

thats why I fear the Pe2 only had to put 243 bullets in him. Aaah only scratch comrade...

 

he he kept flying so after running out of cannon I rammed him to

take him down  over friendly territory since he got my engine ?

[Guest deleted@30725]

I found this video about the 109, I thought it might be relevant to the topic. I don't know how good the guys facts are, but the bit about the 109s operating range was new to me.

 

 

[Ehret]

2 hours ago, BFBunny said:

I found this video about the 109, I thought it might be relevant to the topic. I don't know how good the guys facts are, but the bit about the 109s operating range was new to me.

 

Well... the major Merlin/V-1650 innovation was the integrated liquid inter/after-cooler. Others tried with much bulkier air-to-air coolers and that's why the V-1710 had failed as high altitude engine in the Airacobra but done ok in the P-38 - not enough space in a single engine fighter.

 

There is the Meredith principle, too - the P-51' radiator could nullify good part of its cooling drag when at speed.

[Sunde]

19 hours ago, Nicholas_R_B said:

The worst enemy plane for me from experience today is the Spitfire IX. That thing is better than the Bf-109s and I was almost always downed by one. You need like 3 German fighters to against one of those! We NEED an equal to be able to take on it but the question is, is there one? The only thing I think of when I see that someone has it is "Oh crap I am dead!".

Gotta disagree, think the 109 holds plenty of important cards against the spit, speed and climb being the most critical ones. (Probably the two most important values to posses for air to air combat.) ? 

I am hopping on PE2 bandwagon, that thing can be murderous to attack. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

The greatest enemy of the Axis air forces was the US Civilian Pilot Training Program.

 

From 1939 to 1944, American colleges, universities, and private flying schools trained 435,165 pilots .  In essence an endless stream of trained aviators that the Axis powers combined could not hope to top.  As the numbers of pilots for Germany, Italy, Japan, etc... dwindled from attrition, the numbers of US, and Allied pilots grew ever larger.

 

The Axis powers never understood how idiotic it was to bring the US into the war, they simply believed their own rhetoric about the US being a nation of shop keepers that would not fight.

 

They played stupid games, and won stupid prizes.

[GridiroN]

42 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The greatest enemy of the Axis air forces was the US Civilian Pilot Training Program.

 

From 1939 to 1944, American colleges, universities, and private flying schools trained 435,165 pilots .  In essence an endless stream of trained aviators that the Axis powers combined could not hope to top.  As the numbers of pilots for Germany, Italy, Japan, etc... dwindled from attrition, the numbers of US, and Allied pilots grew ever larger.

 

The Axis powers never understood how idiotic it was to bring the US into the war, they simply believed their own rhetoric about the US being a nation of shop keepers that would not fight.

 

They played stupid games, and won stupid prizes.

 

Not to turn this thread into a history debate, but everything I have read indicated to me that the Germans were well aware they couldn't beat the United States unless they could deny them a staging platform (Ie. Britain or France). If i'm not mistaken, Hitler asked the British to surrender several times because he didn't want beef with the west (at that time).

[PatrickAWlson]

1 minute ago, GridiroN said:

 

Not to turn this thread into a history debate, but everything I have read indicated to me that the Germans were well aware they couldn't beat the United States unless they could deny them a staging platform (Ie. Britain or France). If i'm not mistaken, Hitler asked the British to surrender several times because he didn't want beef with the west (at that time).

 

Which begs the question: why declare war?  After Japan drops on Pearl harbor you immediately send your ambassador in Washington to explain that you had nothing to do with it and want nothing to do with it.  Might work or might not, but at least you tried.  The Americans are incensed at Japan and that will tie them down for years.  You continue the fight with Russia unimpeded while America is busy pounding on Japan.  Russia probably beats you anyway, but it would have been much harder without direct US intervention. 

 

If Germany knew that they would lose given a two front war and the worlds largest aircraft carrier (England) ... why declare?

 

[Bilbo_Baggins]

9 hours ago, =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn said:

il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/3285542/?tour=37

 

thats why I fear the Pe2 only had to put 243 bullets in him. Aaah only scratch comrade...

 

he he kept flying so after running out of cannon I rammed him to

take him down  over friendly territory since he got my engine ?

 

This account is an example of what is actually a normal daily occurrence on the server. This is why you have guys coming in here adamant the Pe2 is the most dangerous/ridiculous of enemies.

 

The USAAF would have been fortunate to be using these Pe2 machines for daylight bombing raids instead of B17s as they don't need fighter escort, armour the crew better and take just as much damage. The devs need to sort this out. 

Edited July 8, 2018 by Mcdaddy

[ZachariasX]

3 hours ago, Mcdaddy said:

 

This account is an example of what is actually a normal daily occurrence on the server. This is why you have guys coming in here adamant the Pe2 is the most dangerous/ridiculous of enemies.

 

The USAAF would have been fortunate to be using these Pe2 machines for daylight bombing raids instead of B17s as they don't need fighter escort, armour the crew better and take just as much damage. The devs need to sort this out. 

You think a B17 couldn‘t take 243 bullets? They are not 20mm after all, you don‘t have that in the 109...

[Legioneod]

4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Which begs the question: why declare war?  After Japan drops on Pearl harbor you immediately send your ambassador in Washington to explain that you had nothing to do with it and want nothing to do with it.  Might work or might not, but at least you tried.  The Americans are incensed at Japan and that will tie them down for years.  You continue the fight with Russia unimpeded while America is busy pounding on Japan.  Russia probably beats you anyway, but it would have been much harder without direct US intervention. 

 

If Germany knew that they would lose given a two front war and the worlds largest aircraft carrier (England) ... why declare?

 

Political obligations would be my guess. Russia would have had a much harder time holding back germany without intervention from the west.

 

As for the OP, the worst enemy for the Germans hasnt arrived in-game yet. As for the current aircraft I can't really say, I fly red most of the time and I do well in the Yak and P-39.

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

1 hour ago, ZachariasX said:

You think a B17 couldn‘t take 243 bullets? They are not 20mm after all, you don‘t have that in the 109...

 These statistics include all billets, you know that right?

Well, let’s do an estimation. I have two MGs and one cannon. MGs have somewhat less than twice the fire rate of the cannon. Which means 20% of the hits are 20mm. So yeah I only hit him with 50 20mm. That is the power of the Pe2.

Now I do not remember exactly what the number of 20mm hit was that was estimated to bring down a B17. IIRC it was somewhere around 10-20. 

Please note, that the ram took him down not my guns, so 50mm did in fact NOT shoot down the Pe2

Edited July 8, 2018 by =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn

[ZachariasX]

Not sure what is really causing that. I take the Peshka regularly when I’m on WoL and it takes a competent fighter no more than a one second pass to shoot me down. And I indeed can shoot down a good portion of those that park at my 6 to shoot at me.

 

If you are offline, can you really put fifty 20mm rounds in a Peshka and it doesn‘t come apart? Have you tried that? To me, this sounds like a netcode artifact and the Peshka in question didn‘t see the number of hits that you have listed.

 

[L3Pl4K]

Very nice shooting Drei10. The assumption from ZachariasX could be right. Online Shooters like Battlefield Series had/have this problems also. Different type of game, but same problems.

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

18 minutes ago, L3Pl4K said:

Very nice shooting Drei10. The assumption from ZachariasX could be right. Online Shooters like Battlefield Series had/have this problems also. Different type of game, but same problems.

 Thank you!

could be... what I do not understand though, is that the hits did register. Otherwise they would not be counted on the web page...

Edited July 8, 2018 by =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn

[L3Pl4K]

Question is, had the server  sent all recognized hits from your client correct to the other client? Maybe =FB=Vaal can answer how the statistic work.

[unreasonable]

Perhaps all the MG bullets hit but all the cannon shells missed because you were not at convergence range? Different ballistics....    Just kidding: time for someone to do some systematic tests on Pe's DM.  Single point examples are always dodgy: we all notice the exceptional cases.

 

Meanwhile here is the wurst German enemy:

 

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by unreasonable

[Yogiflight]

1 hour ago, unreasonable said:

Meanwhile here is the wurst German enemy:

Should have been with Sauerkraut?

[ZachariasX]

 

2 hours ago, unreasonable said:

Perhaps all the MG bullets hit but all the cannon shells missed because you were not at convergence range? Different ballistics....    Just kidding: time for someone to do some systematic tests on Pe's DM.  Single point examples are always dodgy: we all notice the exceptional cases.

 

Meanwhile here is the wurst German enemy:

 

Bloody savages. This is how it works:

All specific ingredients are absolutely required for comfort. Would be like fish & chips without a taste of printing ink.

 

Let the Krauts deal with Currywurst, but Bratwurst... they have absolutely no effin' clue about that it seems.

 

[GridiroN]

6 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

Not sure what is really causing that. I take the Peshka regularly when I’m on WoL and it takes a competent fighter no more than a one second pass to shoot me down. And I indeed can shoot down a good portion of those that park at my 6 to shoot at me.

 

If you are offline, can you really put fifty 20mm rounds in a Peshka and it doesn‘t come apart? Have you tried that? To me, this sounds like a netcode artifact and the Peshka in question didn‘t see the number of hits that you have listed.

 

 

I literally never shoot down Pe-2s. In my experience, they do absorb bullets like a fat kid eats cake. I mean, I think it's just confirmation bias. I mean, when I fly the 109, any russian sneezing on me blows off my tail and I get pilot-killed. When I fight 109s, they take about 47 rounds to take down. I think most people have similar two-sided experiences.  

[PatrickAWlson]

54 minutes ago, GridiroN said:

 

I literally never shoot down Pe-2s. In my experience, they do absorb bullets like a fat kid eats cake. I mean, I think it's just confirmation bias. I mean, when I fly the 109, any russian sneezing on me blows off my tail and I get pilot-killed. When I fight 109s, they take about 47 rounds to take down. I think most people have similar two-sided experiences.  

 

Here's mine ...  

 

I was flying a test mission in a Macchi last night.  I got two PE2s with the two 12.7 MGs.  Point blank range and go for the wings.  They don't go down easy but they are not invincible.

 

The second one was pretty frustrating.  I hit it hard and it rolled over, went vertical, and shed its right stabilizer.  Done for, right?  No.  It righted itself and flew for about five minutes as a smoking heap.  It only crashed crashed when it tried to land.  One engine was dead, the other smoking, the stabilizer was gone ... not a problem until it dropped gear, then it did this wild flip and crashed.

 

So one definitely flew away in a state that was, shall we say. surprising.  Still, two with a Macchi from an admittedly bad flyer.  I suspect that with an FW190 four would not be a problem.  

 

On the receiving side, I was hit by a LaGG.  Engine dead in seconds.  No other apparent damage.  I suppose that is my biggest issue is the accuracy of low level AI.  If the pilots were ace level I would be OK, but the guy who hit me was a novice.  Overly accurate AI or just bad luck?  Who knows.

6 hours ago, unreasonable said:

Perhaps all the MG bullets hit but all the cannon shells missed because you were not at convergence range? Different ballistics....    Just kidding: time for someone to do some systematic tests on Pe's DM.  Single point examples are always dodgy: we all notice the exceptional cases.

 

Meanwhile here is the wurst German enemy:

 

 

 

 

 

I prefer the thin Nuremberger style - a pair on the bun.  No Sauerkraut.  Just a bias from my younger years, going downtown in Hof and getting a brat from one on the vendors on the street corner.

[GridiroN]

4 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Here's mine ...  

 

I was flying a test mission in a Macchi last night.  I got two PE2s with the two 12.7 MGs.  Point blank range and go for the wings.  They don't go down easy but they are not invincible.

 

The second one was pretty frustrating.  I hit it hard and it rolled over, went vertical, and shed its right stabilizer.  Done for, right?  No.  It righted itself and flew for about five minutes as a smoking heap.  It only crashed crashed when it tried to land.  One engine was dead, the other smoking, the stabilizer was gone ... not a problem until it dropped gear, then it did this wild flip and crashed.

 

So one definitely flew away in a state that was, shall we say. surprising.  Still, two with a Macchi from an admittedly bad flyer.  I suspect that with an FW190 four would not be a problem.  

 

On the receiving side, I was hit by a LaGG.  Engine dead in seconds.  No other apparent damage.  I suppose that is my biggest issue is the accuracy of low level AI.  If the pilots were ace level I would be OK, but the guy who hit me was a novice.  Overly accurate AI or just bad luck?  Who knows.

 

Well as far as your second point, I am a large proponent of the belief that bomber gunner Ai is wildly too accurate. I would prefer gunners hit nothing like they used to than have laser guided accuracy as they do now. At least if the gunners were generally useless, it would encourage fighter pilots to fly air support and get some team work going. As it stands, it seems to me any bomber that is engaged by a non-ace pilot has a 70 or 80% chance of the enemy fighter being destroyed before he will. 

 

The only bomber this doens't seem to apply to is the A20 who's gunner is useless for some reason. Perhaps his cone of attack is too narrow or specific for the AI to figure out. 

 

As for your experience in the Macchi...I will say this: playing the sim offline is a far different experience for me than playing on Wings of Potato. A lot more hits connect, as the ping levels are obviously no longer an issue so that may be a component of it. It's also possible the Pe2 simple has a weird damage model. Several planes in the sim have oddities in regards to how they take damage, like the 110 being hyper brittle. 

[PatrickAWlson]

3 minutes ago, GridiroN said:

 

Well as far as your second point, I am a large proponent of the belief that bomber gunner Ai is wildly too accurate. I would prefer gunners hit nothing like they used to than have laser guided accuracy as they do now. At least if the gunners were generally useless, it would encourage fighter pilots to fly air support and get some team work going. As it stands, it seems to me any bomber that is engaged by a non-ace pilot has a 70 or 80% chance of the enemy fighter being destroyed before he will. 

 

The only bomber this doens't seem to apply to is the A20 who's gunner is useless for some reason. Perhaps his cone of attack is too narrow or specific for the AI to figure out. 

 

As for your experience in the Macchi...I will say this: playing the sim offline is a far different experience for me than playing on Wings of Potato. A lot more hits connect, as the ping levels are obviously no longer an issue so that may be a component of it. It's also possible the Pe2 simple has a weird damage model. Several planes in the sim have oddities in regards to how they take damage, like the 110 being hyper brittle. 

 

I agree, which is why I have all non fighter AI set to novice in PWCG.  That helps a lot.  I suspect that the online servers have them set higher. At novice I think you get realistic results.  If you are stupid (i.e. parked on the 6) then you will get hit.  If you make passes they usually don't get you.  I have proposed this on other threads: I would like to see current novice accuracy be Veteran, Common would be worse than current novice, Novice would be can't hit a barn standing inside of it.  I would l similarly like to see fighter pilot AI accuracy reduced. 

 

These things should not be that hard.  If the pilot is an object and "capability" is a contained object, then said capability object should have range and cone of fire attributes.  Novice would have longer range and a larger cone of fire.  They would hit you sometimes but mostly they would waste ammo  ... which is what real life novice pilots did.

[unreasonable]

4 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

 

 

Bloody savages. This is how it works:

All specific ingredients are absolutely required for comfort. Would be like fish & chips without a taste of printing ink.

 

Let the Krauts deal with Currywurst, but Bratwurst... they have absolutely no effin' clue about that it seems.

 

 

That does look inviting. I picked my choice because I thought it actually looks like a Pe-2: the mustard being the cockpit.

 

 

[Willy__]

51 minutes ago, GridiroN said:

The only bomber this doens't seem to apply to is the A20 who's gunner is useless for some reason. Perhaps his cone of attack is too narrow or specific for the AI to figure out. 

 

The rudder/vert tailfin is in the way. But that is not a problem for the AI. I think it has the same problem as the 110E2/111H6, which doesnt have belt fed guns. For some stupid reason the AI dont like to reload the damn gun, it shoots a lot when the enemy is far away, but if the AI doesnt use the whole drum, he will shoot the remaining bullets when the enemy comes into range and take some really long time to reload.

[GridiroN]

2 hours ago, Willy__ said:

 

The rudder/vert tailfin is in the way. But that is not a problem for the AI. I think it has the same problem as the 110E2/111H6, which doesnt have belt fed guns. For some stupid reason the AI dont like to reload the damn gun, it shoots a lot when the enemy is far away, but if the AI doesnt use the whole drum, he will shoot the remaining bullets when the enemy comes into range and take some really long time to reload.

 

Well that explains why MiGs can sit on my dead 6 20m behind me and not take a bullet anytime I'M flying a bomber...

 

Ps. Why did you change your name ol'buddy ol'pal? Hiding from the mods?

Edited July 8, 2018 by GridiroN

[[CPT]Crunch]

17 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Which begs the question: why declare war?  After Japan drops on Pearl harbor you immediately send your ambassador in Washington to explain that you had nothing to do with it and want nothing to do with it.  Might work or might not, but at least you tried.  The Americans are incensed at Japan and that will tie them down for years.  You continue the fight with Russia unimpeded while America is busy pounding on Japan.  Russia probably beats you anyway, but it would have been much harder without direct US intervention. 

 

If Germany knew that they would lose given a two front war and the worlds largest aircraft carrier (England) ... why declare?

It was always Roosevelt's intention to go to war with Germany, he needed an excuse, Pearl was it.  Most don't realize how little initial effort the US put into the Pacific, it was an all out effort with a Germany first policy, until Roosevelt started to feel the heat from the public in 44.  Up till 44 less than 20% men and material went to the Pacific.

17 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

 

[Willy__]

3 hours ago, GridiroN said:

Well that explains why MiGs can sit on my dead 6 20m behind me and not take a bullet anytime I'M flying a bomber...

  

 Ps. Why did you change your name ol'buddy ol'pal? Hiding from the mods?

 

Yeah, everytime I fly the 110 and hop on the gunner seat after the AI took some shots I have to reload the gun for him 

 

I started flying with some american friends and everyday or so we  have some new people flying with us and its just plain easier for them to say "Willy" than "istruba"

[PatrickAWlson]

6 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

It was always Roosevelt's intention to go to war with Germany, he needed an excuse, Pearl was it.  Most don't realize how little initial effort the US put into the Pacific, it was an all out effort with a Germany first policy, until Roosevelt started to feel the heat from the public in 44.  Up till 44 less than 20% men and material went to the Pacific.

 

 

True, which is why there is a great chance that the US would have declared war on Germany anyway.  However, Germany declared war on the US.  I can only chalk it up to a Hitlerian ubermensch moment.

[Kurfurst]

On 7/9/2018 at 4:37 AM, PatrickAWlson said:

 

True, which is why there is a great chance that the US would have declared war on Germany anyway.  However, Germany declared war on the US.  I can only chalk it up to a Hitlerian ubermensch moment.

 

The Germans had a fair idea what was coming, as they had access to the US strategic plans, and the Europe first angle of it - it was leaked in US newspapers in suspicious circumstances, and it was suspected FDR was behind it.

 

In any case, formally declaring war made sense in as much it finally gave the U boots a free hand to attack and sink US warships, tankers and supply ships, including those that were headed to supply the USSR, without handicapping themselves with the whole “hostile neutraility”: the war was already being waged between US and German naval forces in the Atlantic ever since FDR gave the shoot-on-sight order, giving USN naval ships the authority to fire on German U boots. As for the ground, the Germans had little to worry, as the US had practically no ground forces and would need at least a year to arm, train and deploy ground troops in any meaningful numbers to Europe. With the war with Japan, FDR finally had the ability to start recruiting and training those troops, and declare war on Germany when the time was right; without war formally declared, the Germans could literally nothing against that, they could not stop shipment of troops and so on. So “peace’ for another year (at best) would be only beneficial for the US, but not for Germany.  

Edited July 10, 2018 by VO101Kurfurst

[PatrickAWlson]

1 minute ago, VO101Kurfurst said:

 

The Germans had a fair idea what was coming, as they had access to the US strategic plans, and the Europe first angle of it - it was leaked in US newspapers in suspicious circumstances, and it was suspected FDR was behind it. In any case, formally declaring war made sense in as much it finally gave the U boots a free hand to attack and sink US warships, tankers and supply ships, including those that were headed to supply the USSR, without handicapping themselves with the whole “hostile neutraility”: the war was already being waged between US and German naval forces in the Atlantic ever since FDR gave the shoot-on-sight order, giving USN naval ships the authority to fire on German U boots. 

Interesting insights, but I still respectfully disagree that declaring war made sense.  The benefits of unleashing the U Boats are far outweighed by the disadvantages of facing the full industrial and manpower might of the US while simultaneously fighting Russia.  Certainly FDR wanted war with Germany and probably would have gotten it, but just giving him his wish seems like an awful idea.

[Kurfurst]

6 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Interesting insights, but I still respectfully disagree that declaring war made sense.  The benefits of unleashing the U Boats are far outweighed by the disadvantages of facing the full industrial and manpower might of the US while simultaneously fighting Russia.  Certainly FDR wanted war with Germany and probably would have gotten it, but just giving him his wish seems like an awful idea.

 

I have edited my post to reflect on that, however, the point is basically that since the US had no meaningful army in 1941, and for the most part, in 1942, it did not make much of a difference for the Germans, since the US just could not project its potential industrial might and manpower yet, becasue it would take time to be mobilized.

 

OTOH, it already gave unlimited materiel support to its de facto Allies, and those supplies could not be molested until the US was, at least formally, a neutral party to the war.

 

At least thats my take on it, and German strategic thought was very heavily influenced by/relied on pre-emptive strikes and ‘attack is the best defence’ mentality, ,but it would be interesting to see if there is some documentation on the reasoning behind the German decision. But basically they understood that they must win the war in the East and secure strategic resources and position, before the US enters the war at full capacity, i.e. by 1943, to have any chance. 

Edited July 10, 2018 by VO101Kurfurst

[MiloMorai]

Over twice the tonnage to the SU went from the west coast of the USA than to the northern SU ports from the eastern coast of the USA.

 

[GridiroN]

On 7/6/2018 at 5:37 PM, dkoor said:

*except should really be especially... I thought right, but typed wrong...

 

BTW you guys are talking much about Friedrich vs MiG-3 matchup a lot... but I tasted Bf-109E vs MiG-3 for like dozen to 20 missions now (stock career mode), and believe me, it's not fun.

I'm trying to do something in rack-loaded, armoured Emil and there is really only one thing I could do with some success vs MiG-3 Ai... that is drop to tree top level then drop a bit more so my prop shaves tree tops, I practically see them in my crosshair, pursuing Ai usually tends to nose down little below me in order to get a nice shooting solution and many times they hit tree and crash. Interestingly, I've seen MiG-3 pilots surviving that most of the time...

MiG-3 is so much faster than armoured Emil that its pilot actually gets firing solution for only couple of seconds before overtaking me (I'm flying with throttle wide open as much as I can)...

 

There is also one exploit vs MiG that I came across by accident, and that is climb to altitude then when I see MiG closing in on me, I enter shallow dive and progress on with steeper and steeper dive until I hit the tree-top level... by playing such cat and mouse we actually achieve very high speeds, in excess of 600kph and MiG-3 sometimes just proceeds straight to deck and crash with no apparent reason. Never recovers from dive.

 

The E7 is the second best turn fighter in the sim. The MiG is a poor turn fighter and does not regain energy well. You should be able to out maneuver it pretty easily when flown by AI. 

Edited July 11, 2018 by GridiroN