II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 This is for a personal art project only. Are there any references of a tall/wooden tail 109 with a standard hood? Any model G or K. I think it would look outstanding but I can't find any pics of such a machine online. I'm not sure if any were produced without the Galland hood. It's for art purposes only, so if it doesn't exist then I will take some artistic license as they say........
Trooper117 Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) I'm sure I have seen a G-5 (late} with standard cockpit and tall tail somewhere... Here is a G6 U2 [Edited] Edited June 21, 2018 by SYN_Haashashin Swastica 2
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted June 21, 2018 Author Posted June 21, 2018 I thought so too but I’m gonna have to check my hard copy references for pics.
P51DMatt Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 Trooper, you should probably cover up that swastika, or at least put the image in a spoiler. 1
BroGrimm1tkcamp Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 What, are we now censoring historical photos? 1 3
RedKestrel Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, tkcamp56tkcamp said: What, are we now censoring historical photos? Yes. Due to laws in some countries, even swastikas in historical photos are banned - in Germany, for example, I believe its only allowed to use the swastika in educational contexts. Since Il-2 is a video game, and this is video game discussion forum, it would be illegal to display that symbol. Other countries, I think, have similar laws. Its been this way for some time. Devs are playing it safe as they don`t want to deal with any problems that might occur because of it. Edited June 21, 2018 by RedKestrel 1 1
SAS_Storebror Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, RedKestrel said: in Germany, for example, I believe its only allowed to use the swastika in educational contexts. Not exactly true. Quote Für bestimmte Zwecke ist eine Verwendung verbotener Kennzeichen zudem ausdrücklich zugelassen. Dazu zählen die staatsbürgerliche Aufklärung, die Abwehr verfassungswidriger Bestrebungen, eine Darstellung im Rahmen der Kunst, Wissenschaft, Forschung, Lehre und bei der Berichterstattung über geschichtliche Vorgänge sowie solche des Zeitgeschehens. Cheers Mike
RedKestrel Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, SAS_Storebror said: Not exactly true. Cheers Mike Ah, so there are other exemptions. I had heard it was only for educational purposes. 1 minute ago, WIS-Redcoat said: I think the main issue is Russia Jason`s post implies that. I confess I have no knowledge of Russian laws on the subject (and it appears my knowledge of the German ones was shaky as well).
-TBC-AeroAce Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 Stick to the topic!!! Swastika convos get out of control quickly!!!!! @II/JG17_HerrMurf excuse my ignorance bur what is the wooden tail 109?
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted June 21, 2018 Author Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) The wooden tail was taller and improved aerodynamic stability. The wooden tail is also more triangular in both the rudder and vertical stab. Standard tail has a rounder top and rudder profile. It is found on the K series. Some models of the G series had it (G-14) and some models (G-6) came in both flavors. The Galland hood was installed on most wooden tail examples. Edited June 21, 2018 by II/JG17_HerrMurf
LLv34_Flanker Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 S! Wooden tail required a 35kg ballast to be installed in the engine compartment on Bf109 to compensate for the heavier tail. This is why Finns changed the wooden tail to the metallic tail if possible, saved quite a bit of weight. There are pics of G-6 with metallic tail and Erla canopy.
-TBC-AeroAce Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 Was it wooden because of the desperate last days of the war, make do with what you have kinda deal?
1CGS LukeFF Posted June 21, 2018 1CGS Posted June 21, 2018 42 minutes ago, AeroAce said: Was it wooden because of the desperate last days of the war, make do with what you have kinda deal? Yes, of course. 5 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said: This is for a personal art project only. Are there any references of a tall/wooden tail 109 with a standard hood? Any model G or K. I think it would look outstanding but I can't find any pics of such a machine online. I'm not sure if any were produced without the Galland hood. It's for art purposes only, so if it doesn't exist then I will take some artistic license as they say........ Here's another example of one: https://forum.largescalemodeller.com/topic/4448-bf-109-g-6-148-eduard/
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted June 21, 2018 Author Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, LLv34_Flanker said: S! Wooden tail required a 35kg ballast to be installed in the engine compartment on Bf109 to compensate for the heavier tail. This is why Finns changed the wooden tail to the metallic tail if possible, saved quite a bit of weight. There are pics of G-6 with metallic tail and Erla canopy. Was it still the tall profile or just reverted to the standard tail configuration?
SYN_Haashashin Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 Hi all, Read Jason post about Swastikas. Not allowed in here, only under spoiler or even better covered. No discussion about it. Keep it on topic. Haash 2 1
Trooper117 Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said: Some models of the G series had it (G-14) and some models (G-6) came in both flavors. Some models of the G5 (late) series had it as well... I have pictures of the G6 and G5/R3 versions with tall tail plus normal cockpit frame instead of the Galland Hood. Won't post them here of course as earlier my pic was deleted... ( keep forgetting about these laws in other countries)
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted June 22, 2018 Author Posted June 22, 2018 Thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated.
69th_chuter Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 The only physical differences between the original tail and the tall tail are the fin cap and rudder, the fin box from the upper hinge down being either wooden or metal versions of the same thing. The tall fin caps were almost exclusively wooden, the original caps almost always metal, and late production tall fin/rudder assemblies were overwhelmingly, but not exclusively, wooden but there were, as always - lol, all kinds of exceptions right to the end so it seems that just about any combination of the aforementioned would technically be possible and almost certainly existed.
LLv34_Flanker Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 S! Herr Murf. They installed the tail from a written off G-2 for example. The original tail.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted June 23, 2018 Author Posted June 23, 2018 Just doodling for now but I’m thinking of making the jump to digital with an Intuos pad.
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