Developer Diary, Part 194 - Discussion

[616Sqn_Tyggz]

It'd be interesting to have a broad range of voices from the UK, and not just a really comedic cockney accent to represent all airmen.

Be even more interesting to have voices from all over the British empire too.

And hearing Canadian voices coming from both RAF and USAAF machines.

[Yogiflight]

1 hour ago, Ouky1991 said:

Indeed, that would be funny. So is there a roadmap?

I don't think, that even the team already has one, as it is a completely new situation with not only developing BoBp, but Tank Crew and Flying Circus at the same time. I don't think that anyone at the moment can foresee, how this will be running. So wait and see, what comes and somewhen in the future, they will tell their plan.

[catchthefoxes]

yes, they will add english and american radio chatter because they will also be adding late war pilot models for the RAF and USAAF and luftwaffe, it wouldn't make sense to have russian speaking british and  US pilots, but obviously we dont exactly know when.

[PainGod85]

On 6/16/2018 at 5:10 AM, Legioneod said:

All depends on the fuel we get, if it's the standard fuel then it will be 65-67" max and if it's 150 fuel it will be 70"

 

P-47 time at WEP is a little bit more difficult, it had water injection for about 15 minutes but you could still just use dry WEP instead of using water, though dry WEP was at a lower power setting from what I've read.

 

As far as I'm aware the P-47D is maxed out running 57" without 150 octane, and I've never seen a test above 57" that didn't have the plane using high octane avgas.

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

20 minutes ago, PainGod85 said:

 

As far as I'm aware the P-47D is maxed out running 57" without 150 octane, and I've never seen a test above 57" that didn't have the plane using high octane avgas.

You should look harder

http://www.avialogs.com/viewer/avialogs-documentviewer.php?id=4207

pg 39 (36 in the document itself)

 



http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/P-47_Water-Injection_3feb44.pdf

 

[Winglesschip209]

Omg that Dora looks so good it’s great news to hear my P-51 in development thank you guys for all the great hard work you guys put in 

[Poochnboo]

5 hours ago, =27=Davesteu said:

Luckily I didn't tell about the Spitfire visually being by far the most overrated popular aircraft.

And don't think I didn't see that fine print. You're only making things worse for yourself!

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Brazilian P47 default skins please!! Best ground attacking squad of the war.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

[Legioneod]

9 hours ago, PainGod85 said:

 

As far as I'm aware the P-47D is maxed out running 57" without 150 octane, and I've never seen a test above 57" that didn't have the plane using high octane avgas.

With 150 fuel it's 70" they released it for 70" in June of 44. With standard fuel maxed out is 65".

I doubt we'll get a 150 fuel representation so I'm betting we'll see 65"

 

EDIT: Says 64" max, I thought it was 65"

 

 

Test for 70" using 150 fuel.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/17june44-progress-report.pdf

 

Release of P-47D for operating at 70" with 150 fuel.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/24june44-progress-report.pdf

 

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by Legioneod

[CisTer-dB-]

11 hours ago, Tyggz said:

It'd be interesting to have a broad range of voices from the UK, and not just a really comedic cockney accent to represent all airmen.

Be even more interesting to have voices from all over the British empire too.

And hearing Canadian voices coming from both RAF and USAAF machines.

Some French Canadian one's tabarnak

[Legioneod]

9 minutes ago, ATAG_dB said:

Some French Canadian one's tabarnak

How bout some Louisiana French.

 

Doubt we'll see any sort of differences in the dialects though, probably just have one American and one British. It would be rather difficult to get any real representation of all the different dialects a country has, my state has 3 or 4 major dialects and 2-3 main languages.

 

I'm fine with a generic American, British, Canadian accents in all honesty. I very rarely pay attention to my characters voice, usually I'm too busy talkin to myself.

[150GCT_Veltro]

9 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Gielow said:

Brazilian P47 default skins please!! Best ground attacking squad of the war.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

100% agree, "Senta a Pua!" would be absolutely great. Years ago i've visited the place where 2°Ten. Cordeiro e Silva fallen in Italy, around Bologna hills in Livergnano. I can only dream the day we could have a Northern Italy scenary, with the best planeset ever seen in a flight sim.

 

We have G14 ANR so we could have also Senta a Pua!.

 

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by 150GCT_Veltro

[EAF19_Marsh]

Every so often during the day I remember BoBp is in the works and smile to myself at how lucky we are and the sheer awesomeness of this series ?

[Willy__]

12 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Gielow said:

Brazilian P47 default skins please!! Best ground attacking squad of the war.

 

Thanks

 

 

+1

 

I would love to see that on the sim!!!!!!

[Danziger]

I hope Jason gets in on the voices for BoBp.

[Poochnboo]

You guys are going to see these skins and more, I have no doubt. When it comes to nose markings, nose art, and paint schemes the P-47 was more colorful and varied than most. The size of the airplane lent itself, well, to the talents of squadron artists. I'm sure the skinners are really going to enjoy this one. 

17 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Gielow said:

Brazilian P47 default skins please!! Best ground attacking squad of the war.

 

All this talk about the P47....it makes me want it NOW! Give it to us as is! I'll fly it untextured!! (Takes a deep breath), Okay....no...never mind. Had a moment. I'm okay,  now. 

[CaptainDawson]

Looks great, but honestly if I load up the finished BOBP and find the P47 and P51 are still slower than the 109s and 190As and instantly lose speed in a turn like the P40 in this game, I will be greatly disappointed. I'm looking forward to a platform where allies and axis can have late-war dogfights on a historical level, like we almost had in 1946. Don't want to be stuck doing only singleplayer...

[616Sqn_Tyggz]

Just now, CaptainDawson said:

Looks great, but honestly if I load up the finished BOBP and find the P47 and P51 are still slower than the 109s and 190As and instantly lose speed in a turn like the P40 in this game, I will be greatly disappointed. I'm looking forward to a platform where allies and axis can have late-war dogfights on a historical level, like we almost had in 1946. Don't want to be stuck doing only singleplayer...

 

Energy retention in maneuvers won't be significantly better in the American aircraft. By the looks of it, there will still be the same issues in maneuverability that the P-40 and P-39 both face will most likely transfer onto the later aircraft. The P-51 and P-47 will be disappointing in that respect. While the Axis machines won't necessarily out maneuver them, they will still not have fine handling characteristics. The Tempest won't be much of a maneuver fighter either.

[Poochnboo]

Most American fighters during the Second World War weren't known for being tight turning airplanes. U.S. tends to build them bigger and heavier than most other countries. Even the Hellcat couldn't outmaneuver a Zero. Bearcat was about as close as we came to having a fighter like that, but of course, it never saw combat with U.S pilots.

In all the flight sims I've played, you never wanted to get into a turning fight in a P-51 Mustang. I think that if you start doing that, you ARE going to be disappointed. They shouldn't be slower, though. And I doubt they will be. 

[EAF19_Marsh]

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The P-51 and P-47 will be disappointing in that respect. While the Axis machines won't necessarily out maneuver them, they will still not have fine handling characteristics. The Tempest won't be much of a maneuver fighter either.

 

They all roll well and are either fast and / or have a lot of power. They will likely lose speed in a tight, sustained turn but retain it in the vertical. That was the way most fighters were going by 1944-45, so their handling will be closer to the Fw 190 than the 109 and Spitfire or the Russian aircraft

[Legioneod]

P-51

I don't fly the P-51 much but I do know that they can turn with a 109 for a while but you'll need to make the kill quickly because you burn energy faster than them. The 190 can outroll you but you can turn or outturn it.

 

P-47

The P-47 is not a turn fighter, you may be able to get away with it once in a while but don't make it a habit because it will get you killed eventually.

 

The things I list below won't work in all situations so it is up to you to study your aircraft and learn how to use your aircraft to gain an advantage over the enemy.

 

Advantages over the 109:

• Roll: The P-47 has a good roll rate and can outroll a 109 in most (if not all) situations.
• Dive: The Jug can out dive a 109 and can maintain control at a higher speed than the 109 can, however the 109 can accelerate faster than the Jug in the dive but eventually the P-47 will overtake it.
• Zoom: The Jug also has a very good zoom climb and can trade speed for altitude very well. It can stick with the 109 in the zoom but you need to make sure you have enough energy at the start of the zoom. German pilot reports stated that the Jug had could gain higher altitude with equivalent starting points than they could, meaning that if the 109 and Jug start in a similar energy state and zoom up, the Jug will reach a higher altitude that the 109 therefore out zooming the 109.

These tactics aren't always going to be usable so you'll need to know when they are advantages vs when they are not. If you use these "advantages" in the wrong                        situation you could end up getting yourself killed. Your roll is always an advantage and should be use both offensively and defensively. Your Zoom and Dive are mostly offensive advantages and shouldn't be use defensively in most cases.

 

Advantages over the 190

The P-47 and 190 are more closely matched so it's a little more difficult to point out a clear advantage over the 190 in combat. You still have your dive and zoom to work with but you can't outroll a 190. You can turn with a 190 in certain situations so you may be able to use this to your advantage.

 

            

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

On 6/16/2018 at 7:36 PM, Trooper117 said:

A razorback still makes sense in 1945

 

I cannot for the life of me remember why, but Razorbacks was preferred in some missions instead of bubble canopy equipped Thunderbolts. I am not sure but can they have performed better in some ways at high altitude?

Escorts? I know it was something and a good reason for razorbacks continued to the end

Edited June 19, 2018 by LuseKofte

[Legioneod]

54 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

 

I cannot for the life of me remember why, but Razorbacks was preferred in some missions instead of bubble canopy equipped Thunderbolts. I am not sure but can they have performed better in some ways at high altitude?

Escorts? I know it was something and a good reason for razorbacks continued to the end

Not sure. I know some pilots prefered the razorbacks due to their better stability, Gabreski liked the razorback more than the bubbletops for this reason.

Edited June 19, 2018 by Legioneod

[angus26]

17 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

Not sure. I know some pilots prefered the razorbacks due to their better stability, Gabreski liked the razorback more than the bubbletops for this reason.

Personally, I like the look of the razorback quite a bit more, the exterior that is... the razorback interior has much to be desired though. 

[Legioneod]

1 hour ago, angus26 said:

Personally, I like the look of the razorback quite a bit more, the exterior that is... the razorback interior has much to be desired though. 

I like the look of the razorback cockpits, with the thick armored glass and everything.

[angus26]

59 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

I like the look of the razorback cockpits, with the thick armored glass and everything.

I just don’t like that pole right in the middle of the windscreen. Well, that and the reduced rear visibility but other than that I’m fine with it, you can’t have eyerything! 

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

 

I cannot for the life of me remember why, but Razorbacks was preferred in some missions instead of bubble canopy equipped Thunderbolts. I am not sure but can they have performed better in some ways at high altitude?

Escorts? I know it was something and a good reason for razorbacks continued to the end

 

They continued on to the end because they were still fully-capable aircraft, flying mainly ground attack missions. They're seen, for instance, in the documentary Thunderbolts: Conquest of the Reich.

[Feathered_IV]

Seeing it from the inside, It's amazing what a dog's breakfast that Razorback windscreen is.  Its like peering through a fence. 

[Freycinet]

On 6/16/2018 at 1:33 AM, Rjel said:

A great documentary about the P-47 is A Fighter Pilot's Story with Quentin Aanenson. Aanenson did a great job narrating his story. It is or was on DVD. Well worth watching.    

 

 

 

Thanks from me too. Checked out his web site and will deffo try to find the documentary. Seems he also featured prominently in Ken Burns' "The War".

[Uufflakke]

7 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

Seeing it from the inside, It's amazing what a dog's breakfast that Razorback windscreen is.  Its like peering through a fence. 

 

And with the bubble top I feel like Buzz Lightyear.

 

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

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Not sure. I know some pilots prefered the razorbacks due to their better stability, Gabreski liked the razorback more than the bubbletops for this reason.

 

My understanding is that the higher rear fuselage offered greater lateral stability, probably most felt at low speed and when pulling alpha / g. The 'LERX' extensions on the P-51Ds and Tempest was an effort both to increase fin size but also allow better performance as CoL moves forward along the fin under high control deflection ('rudder' lift, that is).

 

Bubble tops also tended towards higher drag owing to the greater disruption of the airflow aft of the canopy over the tail. One of the reason why designers traditionally favoured tighter, closed fuselages aft of the pilot

[Raptorattacker]

Ha! I just read that the Thunderbolt (great name, always loved it!) drank ONE gallon of fuel EVERY 30 SECONDS!!! That is one thirsty boid!!