Flying Circus/WW1 Aviation

[Legioneod]

I searched but couldn't find a dedicated thread for flying circus, if there is one feel free to delete this.

 

Just got back to flying Rise of Flight a few days ago and I'm having a blast, I can't wait for Flying Circus and I hope it will keep expanding to include earlier aircraft like the Pup, Strutter, Nieuports, etc.

 

Will flying circus be a complete overhaul (better flight models, new graphics, 4k skins, better damage model, etc.) or will it be just a basic remaster with pretty graphics but not much else? Also, will we still have the interesting characteristics of the aircrafts to where we actually have to fly the plane  or will it be simplified in any way?

 

How will control curves work in flying circus? I know many people liked curves but I don't really like to use them. In RoF you could curve for each aircraft individually but I don't think it's possible in BoX currently, will it be added? 

 

I know that I asked alot of questions and I'm sure there aren't many answers at this time, but I'm just so excited for flying circus, the dogfights of ww1 just can't be beat.

 

Why are you excited about FC and how do you think the aircraft will compare against each other (same as RoF or maybe a bit different?)

 

Also, I noticed that FC doesnt have any collector planes listed, what would be your pick for collector aircraft considering we are getting a late war set to start with? 

For me it would be the

 

Sopwith Snipe

Fokker DVIII or a Pfalz D.XII

 

Also, feel free to discuss anything WW1 aviation related.

Edited May 20, 2018 by Legioneod

[xvii-Dietrich]

Pretty extensive thread here: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32312-jazzed-about-flying-circus-thoughts-on-plane-set/

 

 

6 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

Also, I noticed that FC doesnt have any collector planes listed, what would be your pick for collector aircraft considering we are getting a late war set to start with? 

 

But seeing you asked... my choice would be the Hansa-Brandenburg W.29. 

 

[TG-55Panthercules]

There were some good FC threads a while back, but with the relative lack of recent info about FC those threads have dropped pretty far down into the stack by now.

 

Here are some you might want to check out:

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32255-discussion-of-bodenplatte-flying-circus-and-tank-crew-announcement/

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32312-jazzed-about-flying-circus-thoughts-on-plane-set/

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/36416-any-news-about-flying-circus-1-pre-order/

 

[Legioneod]

Thanks, I searched but didn't see anything. Mods feel free to delete this thread.

[Garven]

I Would like to see a SPAD XII (Dietrich would no doubt like to see its float plane variant the SPAD XIV) as collector plane, but it will never happen as only 20 were put into service and many other aircraft not currently in ROF have a higher historical significance.  One can dream though

Edited May 20, 2018 by US103_Furlow

[Legioneod]

6 minutes ago, US103_Furlow said:

I Would like to see a SPAD XII as collector plane, but it will never happen as only 20 were put into service and many other aircraft not currently in ROF have a higher historical significance.  One can dream though

 

I would love to see that one. Was that the one with cannon mounted inside? It would also add another French aircraft to the mix which is really needed imo. Only one French aircraft in the lineup which is a mistake.

 

Edited May 20, 2018 by Legioneod

[Garven]

2 hours ago, Legioneod said:

 

I would love to see that one. Was that the one with cannon mounted inside? It would also add another French aircraft to the mix which is really needed imo. Only one French aircraft in the lineup which is a mistake.

 

Yes, it had a single shot 37mm cannon that fired through the propeller hub along with a single synchronized .303 vickers.  The French end up getting stuck with playing second fiddle it seems in WW1 flight sims and aviation history books even though they had the largest air service.

Edited May 20, 2018 by US103_Furlow

[Legioneod]

2 hours ago, US103_Furlow said:

Yes, it had a single shot 37mm cannon that fired through the propeller hub along with a single synchronized .303 vickers.  The French end up getting stuck with playing second fiddle it seems in WW1 flight sims and aviation history books even though they had the largest air service.

 

Yep, that's why I hope they decide to add another French aircraft. I originally said Sopwith Snipe but then I looked back at the aircraft list. Another French aircraft is very much needed. Can't wait either way, flying the Spad 13 with these beautiful graphics is going to be great.

[Garven]

If they did add another French aircaft to FC it would make the most sense to do the Breguet 14 or SPAD VII 180hp.  Both fit the 1918 time frame, were commonly used and are already in ROF.  I hope once all the ROF planes are imported we see more aircraft added to the plane set.  An Italian front Flying Circus module would be very cool.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

We don't need two SPADs in the initial offering.  Drop the Dolphin and put the N28 in there instead.  And probably switch the Brisfit for the Breguet.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm sure there will be dedicated forum space and more once that effort starts to pick up steam. As I recall, they were talking about summer before any sort of pre-order talk would begin.

 

The forum nor the website has been updated with Battle of Bodenplatte icons or anything else in that area either. I'm assuming they will start on those things at some point too.

[Legioneod]

57 minutes ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

We don't need two SPADs in the initial offering.  Drop the Dolphin and put the N28 in there instead.  And probably switch the Brisfit for the Breguet.

We can do without the Dolphin but not the Bristol, Bristol is a must have. N28 would be nice but I'd still take a Spad over it.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

You're the one saying they need more French aircraft...

[Garven]

 

2 hours ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

We don't need two SPADs in the initial offering.  Drop the Dolphin and put the N28 in there instead.  And probably switch the Brisfit for the Breguet.

Can never have too many SPAD's 

Edited May 21, 2018 by US103_Furlow

[Legioneod]

45 minutes ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

You're the one saying they need more French aircraft...

True, but the Bristol is the only 2 seater in the Entente lineup, removing it would upset the balance. Also, we were originally speaking of collector planes, not removing some from the list.

If any should be removed it should be the dolphin, I don't mind the current lineup but I'd like to see another French plane as a collector aircraft.

 

 

Edited May 21, 2018 by Legioneod

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Breguet is a two seater too.  The balance would be maintained, and people wouldn't need to rely on bonus planes to get the appropriate French representation.

[JG1_Shadepiece]

I would much rather have the N.28 over the Dolphin, but I am absolutely stoked about the Spad XIII. Of course, I am equally stoked about having a nice comfortable Alb on the other side as well.

[Haza]

Just bought a book about the Sopworth aces during the war.

Starting to get really interested in WW1 aircraft, plus we have a few WW1 aircraft here in Canberra at the War Memorial.  Five aircraft are featured: three Allied types (SE5a fighter, Airco DH9 bomber, Avro 504K trainer) and two rare German fighter planes (Albatros D.Va. and Pfalz D.XII, both originally brought to Australia in 1919).

 

They also play a film that I think is the same as the one below:

 

 

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

N28 wasn't really used by french squadrons though, but it would be nice to have it nonetheless. I think the N17 would be a better option to give france a dogfighter, I know it was built in 1916 but imo it stills fits nicely ( equivalent of the Albatros D.Va). Also I rather see the Pfalz D.XII instead of the Pfalz D.III, to give germany more bnz aircrafts.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

4 minutes ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

N28 wasn't really used by french squadrons though, but it would be nice to have it nonetheless. I think the N17 would be a better option to give france a dogfighter, I know it was built in 1916 but imo it stills fits nicely ( equivalent of the Albatros D.Va). Also I rather see the Pfalz D.XII instead of the Pfalz D.III, to give germany more bnz aircrafts.

 

But Germans were never known to use bnz planes in any historic conflict.  What are you talking about man?!

[Garven]

17 minutes ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

N28 wasn't really used by french squadrons though, but it would be nice to have it nonetheless. I think the N17 would be a better option to give france a dogfighter, I know it was built in 1916 but imo it stills fits nicely ( equivalent of the Albatros D.Va). Also I rather see the Pfalz D.XII instead of the Pfalz D.III, to give germany more bnz aircrafts.

The N24 would be a far better choice than the N17.  N17 is no where near the equivalent of a DVa.  The ROF N11 is a better plane than the ROF N17.

Edited May 21, 2018 by US103_Furlow

[Luftschiff]

I would not take an N17 up against a DVa unless I had some good dogfighting rockets on me.

[Legioneod]

15 minutes ago, Luftschiff said:

I would not take an N17 up against a DVa unless I had some good dogfighting rockets on me.

Never had much trouble with the N17, it's one of my favorite aircraft. Wouldn't mind seeing it but I think a N28 would be better for the current lineup.

[Garven]

4 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

Never had much trouble with the N17, it's one of my favorite aircraft. Wouldn't mind seeing it but I think a N28 would be better for the current lineup.

Only if the N28 gets modeled correctly in FC.

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

40 minutes ago, AeroAce said:

 

But Germans were never known to use bnz planes in any historic conflict.  What are you talking about man?!

"Boom and Zoom (also known as BnZ) is the name of a play style that aims to take advantage of a high energy state to bounce the enemy, avoiding any prolonged fighting in order to conserve speed and/or altitude. " Is your comment ironic? I hope so..

 

I see the n17 isn't getting the love it deserves here, for me its in my top 3 favorite aircrafts after the spad 13 and the se5 would have loved it seeing it, even as an underdog.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Just now, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

"Boom and Zoom (also known as BnZ) is the name of a play style that aims to take advantage of a high energy state to bounce the enemy, avoiding any prolonged fighting in order to conserve speed and/or altitude. " Is your comment ironic? I hope so..

 

I see the n17 isn't getting the love it deserves here, for me its in my top 3 favorite aircrafts after the spad 13 and the se5 would have loved it seeing it, even as an underdog.

 

Yes I was taking the piss lol

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

Sorry for not getting the sarcasm, you can hear some serious weird ideas in the murky waters that these forums are ( probably like me proposing the N17 it seems)

[Garven]

3 minutes ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

"Boom and Zoom (also known as BnZ) is the name of a play style that aims to take advantage of a high energy state to bounce the enemy, avoiding any prolonged fighting in order to conserve speed and/or altitude. " Is your comment ironic? I hope so..

 

I see the n17 isn't getting the love it deserves here, for me its in my top 3 favorite aircrafts after the spad 13 and the se5 would have loved it seeing it, even as an underdog.

I really like the N17 and hope it gets ported over in FC2, its just that it doesn't fit in a 1918 plane-set.

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

1 minute ago, US103_Furlow said:

I really like the N17 and hope it gets ported over in FC2, its just that it doesn't fit in a 1918 plane-set.

Yes, the sad thing is in 1918 the only viable french plane is the spad 13 and it doesn't really leave much space for other french figthers, I really hope to see a nieuport (probably gonna be a collector version of one of the latter models)

And just a fun fact, only 320 fokker dr 1 were built and yet its the most notorious plane of ww1

[Garven]

5 minutes ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

Yes, the sad thing is in 1918 the only viable french plane is the spad 13 and it doesn't really leave much space for other french figthers, I really hope to see a nieuport (probably gonna be a collector version of one of the latter models)

And just a fun fact, only 320 fokker dr 1 were built and yet its the most notorious plane of ww1

You underestimate the SPAD VII 180hp.  It is a fantastic plane that climbs like a rocket and only thing the XIII has over it in ROF is twice the firepower, but that is only because the ROF XIII is a little on the slow side.  Really hoping the FC SPAD XIII gets a 8Be high compression 220hp engine mod.

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

5 minutes ago, US103_Furlow said:

You underestimate the SPAD VII 180hp.  It is a fantastic plane that climbs like a rocket and only thing the XIII has over it in ROF is twice the firepower, but that is only because the ROF XIII is a little on the slow side.  Really hoping the FC SPAD XIII gets a 8Be high compression 220hp engine mod.

I love the spad 7 and in no way do i underestimate it, but its a spad and we are already getting one

 

[Legioneod]

2 minutes ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

I love the spad 7 and in no way do i underestimate it, but its a spad and we are already getting one

 

Well we have tons of 109s, not reason we can't get another spad. I think it should be the Spad 12 though, it's armament makes it different enough imo, plus it would be a plane we've never had in RoF.

[Garven]

Morane-Soulnier AI would be an option for a 1918 French collector plane in the future.

[Poochnboo]

30 minutes ago, US103_Furlow said:

Morane-Soulnier AI would be an option for a 1918 French collector plane in the future.

What Morane design was the French Air Force flying in 1918?

[J2_Oelmann]

Southernfront with KuK vs Italy.

Oeffag Diii, Aviatik Di......

[Garven]

 

18 minutes ago, Poochnboo said:

What Morane design was the French Air Force flying in 1918?

I wasn't talking about AI controlled aircraft.  Maybe I should have wrote it as Morane-Soulnier A1  it was a French monoplane that saw limited service in early-mid 1918.  In 1918 The SPAD was the French's primary scout aircraft and squadrons had a mix of SPAD VII's and SPAD XIII's.  What is really lacking in ROF is French multi seaters such as the Vosin, Salmson, Dorand, Caudron, and even SPAD two seaters.

[Poochnboo]

Oh, the A-1. But it was in service for about two months. I'm not even sure if it saw combat. They were mainly used as trainers.

4 hours ago, US103_Furlow said:

wasn't talking about AI controlled aircraft.  Maybe I should have wrote it as Morane-Soulnier A1

 

[Garven]

In Jon Guttman's SPAD XII/XIII Aces of WW1 book its mentioned American David Putnam scored some probable victories with the Morane-Soulnier A1 while flying with Esc. 156.

[Garven]

 

On 5/21/2018 at 10:01 AM, Legioneod said:

Well we have tons of 109s, not reason we can't get another spad. I think it should be the Spad 12 though, it's armament makes it different enough imo, plus it would be a plane we've never had in RoF.

Exactly, plus the SPAD VII, XII and XIII are all different air-frames; the XIII is almost 1.5 feet bigger than the VII in almost every dimension,  the XII has staggered wings and a Deperdussin control system among other things differentiating it from the other two.  With the VII you have an air-frame that combined with engine and weapon mods can span the time frame of September 1916 all the way to November 1918.

Edited May 23, 2018 by US103_Furlow

[Poochnboo]

2 hours ago, US103_Furlow said:

Well we have tons of 109s,

The thing about that is, you really don't have much choice when doing a ww2 airwar sim over Europe. The Luftwaffe had just two basic airframes that they used. The BF109 and the FW190. Almost all of their single engined fighters were variants of these. 

But, I'm not concerned about what planes we get in the initial release. If it's successful I think they will add most of the machines that were in the First World War. We may even see some Italian and Austrian designs, too. Wouldn't THAT be cool? Ansaldos and Phoenix's. A map of Italy. But, we're getting ahead of ourselves. We haven't even seen screenshots and they still have to release Bodenplatte!