Developer Diary, Part 193 - Discussion

[guidom]

that map is alot bigger than expected! thanks

[-TBC-AeroAce]

2 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

Im hoping that the Li2 will be developed by then (3rd party devs) and can be converted into the C47, or at the very least re-skinned.

 

Acording to the ever fact full wiki. They are very different.  Wing, cockpit, skin, metric not imperial bolts, extra loading door, rear door on other side and much more. 

 

It is almost a new aircraft so even though they look similar, I think it would not be easy to convert one to another with out a load of work. 

 

I would be happy playing make believe but others would not be and it is not really in the spirt of this sim.

[Roast]

The more historically accurate (including all the damage)  the German airbases (and sometimes makeshift Allied ones) will be,

the better.

Same goes for the towns and cities on the map. This would mean German cities partly in rubbles, and Arnhem city centre just about

raised to the ground after Market Garden.

 

I very much am looking forward to what dev team will come up with

 

Arnhem city centre after the fighting

 

 

[Sharpe43]

This map news has actually made my day!

[Uufflakke]

35 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

I didn't know the difference till this day.  And in the Soviet/Russian military historical books it's always written as Голландия (Holland)

 

Roughly said (without going to deep into history and not taking into account the overseas areas) and to keep things simple:

 

Green = Holland

Red = The Netherlands

Blue = The Low Countries

 

So let's move on and not spend time anymore on this subject.

Edited May 17, 2018 by Uufflakke

[=621=Samikatz]

I wonder if we'll be able to use any of the existing vehicles in the campaign. The Stuka was still in service in very small numbers in 1944 though it had largely been eclipsed by the Fw-190F/G, and early versions of the A-20 were still being used by the French

[Sharpe43]

Just now, =621=Samikatz said:

I wonder if we'll be able to use any of the existing vehicles in the campaign. The Stuka was still in service in very small numbers in 1944 though it had largely been eclipsed by the Fw-190F/G, and early versions of the A-20 were still being used by the French

I doubt it. The Stukas that were still in use, were almost certainly G1s and those survived only because the Russians at times didnt have their own air support handy...

[Roast]

3 hours ago, 71st_AH_Barnacles said:

Holland is one of the provinces of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, I think. The whole country is sometimes referred to as Holland erroneniosly.

 

 

 

Actually, two provinces are called Holland, North (Noord) Holland and South (Zuid) Holland

Officially it is (Kingdom of) The Netherlands, or Low Countries (Nether = Neder, meaning Low), Holland is indeed erroneous.

 

This concludes our lesson on Dutch (not to be confused with Deutsch = German) history for today

[Wissam24]

Seems like there will be certain dams in that area of historical interest....

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

4 hours ago, =FSB=HandyNasty said:

YAY i'll be able to fly above my house (build in 1928). Ready to file in report if it happens not to be there and/or if it happens not to be accurately depicted!!! 

 

 

Maybe you could bomb your own house to pieces? How cool is that! :D

[J2_Trupobaw]

Niice.

So, how is work on Flying Circus going?

 

[Chief_Mouser]

46 minutes ago, AeroAce said:

It is a common mistake but kinda like saying Whales is in England.

 

You can say Whales is in England if you like, but they are really in the world's oceans.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

3 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

You can say Whales is in England if you like, but they are really in the world's oceans.

Bloody auto correct 

[von_Greiff]

 

Mainz, 27.02.1945

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

Wales is in the United Kingdom

[WheelwrightPL]

Quote: " The Newspaper articles is a huge task on their own and takes several months to complete".

 

IMHO I would prefer this small yet very talented development team to focus on what really matters: there is lots of opportunity to increase graphics fidelity, improve explosion effects and ramp-up physics model especially on the ground (it is currently much better in the air and it can be jarring).

 

Or alternatively release the game as early access so we can fly Quick Missions on new maps in new planes while we wait for "Newspaper articles" which "take several months to complete".

[Custard]

The newspaper articles are written by paid community members, I highly doubt the devs are wasting programmers writing fluff.  

 

Come on, use your brain.

Spoiler

 

 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

7 minutes ago, WheelwrightPL said:

 

 

Or alternatively release the game as early access so we can fly Quick Missions on new maps in new planes while we wait for "Newspaper articles" which "take several months to complete".

 

Newspapers will not stop them from releasing content as they are part of the career that comes out last.

[Dauntless]

 

 

[Jason_Williams]

3 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Great stuff... so, we will be covering the Market Garden battle. This means that there will have to be Stirlings, and Dakotas to drop paratroops and tow gliders... I mean, it won't be Market Garden if those 3 elements are not included, at least as AI targets... very happy

 

Sorry Trooper, we will not be re-creating this as you are suggesting. We don't have Dakotas and gliders. You will fly missions in support of the larger operation in and around the general area. As we say in the DD, we have to make compromises. Do not expect the entire Western front to unfold under your belly.

 

Jason

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

36 minutes ago, LsV_Trupobaw said:

Niice.

So, how is work on Flying Circus going?

 

 

Waiting for the preorder.

[Jason_Williams]

3 hours ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

Damn! This map is incredible huge! I'm so curious how the dense populated areas are being modeled and what impact on the performance is to expect. 

Just awesome! 

I'm also curious, if the Ruhrgebiet and the big cities like Cologne and Frankfurt are going to be modeled in a severely damaged condition as they were at this stage in the war. 

 

We will do our best to make the scenery representative of the battle space at that time. Please don't expect every village/town or large city to be built. We simply don't have the ability to do that. We'll have to pick and choose what we can build in the time we have and with the resources we have. Just as we have done with all of our other maps. Also, with a map that large with so much scenery we start to run into performance issues. We'll do our best though as always.

 

Jason

10 minutes ago, Space_Ghost said:

 

Waiting for the preorder.

 

It's in development. First couple planes are taking shape. You'll get news of it soon.

 

Jason

[7.GShAP/Silas]

47 minutes ago, NahkaSukka said:

 

 

Maybe you could bomb your own house to pieces? How cool is that! :D

 

 

I too am looking forward to this.  I lived 50-100m from the Le château de Morval in Gondregnies.   Maybe it really will actually be on the map.  Or maybe not, but it's a nice idea.

[Sharpe43]

2 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

We will do our best to make the scenery representative of the battle space at that time. Please don't expect every village/town or large city to be built. We simply don't have the ability to do that. We'll have to pick and choose what we can build in the time we have and with the resources we have. Also, with a map that large with so much scenery we start to run into performance issues. We'll do our best though as always.

 

 

Interesting response. So what are the chances of historical landmarks (for the period, think stuff like the Arnhem bridge, the Aachener cathedral of the fortress of Eben-Emael) appearing?

[Blooddawn1942]

17 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

We will do our best to make the scenery representative of the battle space at that time. Please don't expect every village/town or large city to be built. We simply don't have the ability to do that. We'll have to pick and choose what we can build in the time we have and with the resources we have. Just as we have done with all of our other maps. Also, with a map that large with so much scenery we start to run into performance issues. We'll do our best though as always.

 

Jason

 

It's in development. First couple planes are taking shape. You'll get news of it soon.

 

Jason

You and Your team are doing an outstanding and excellent job! This map is so ambitious. Of course I would never expect, that every minor city could be modeled. 

 

Also that news of Flying Circus seems to be inbound is really exciting! 

 

 

Just a sidenote. Another Sim would charge a full price just for the map. 

Here we get the map plus 10 aircraft plus an excellent game structure with dynamic campaign and what not all.... Unbelievable content for a bargain. 

Therefore I will continue to buy every premium content that you're going to offer in the future.

Edited May 17, 2018 by Blooddawn1942

[BlackSix]

1 hour ago, =621=Samikatz said:

I wonder if we'll be able to use any of the existing vehicles in the campaign. The Stuka was still in service in very small numbers in 1944 though it had largely been eclipsed by the Fw-190F/G, and early versions of the A-20 were still being used by the French

I plan to add in the career:

NSGr. 1 and NSGr. 2  - they had Ju 87 D-3/D-5 (special thanks =27=Davesteu for the info);

I., II., III./SG 4 and III./KG 51 (NSGr. 20) - they had Fw 190 F-8 (mod of A-8);

 

About A-20: AFAIK only 342 Squadron (Free French) had Boston IIIA and IV but this Sqn was based at Vitry-en-Artois (B-50) from Oct 10, 1944 to Apr 22, 1945 - it's out of our map borders.

[=621=Samikatz]

3 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

About A-20: AFAIK only 342 Squadron (Free French) had Boston IIIA and IV but this Sqn was based at Vitry-en-Artois (B-50) from Oct 10, 1944 to Apr 22, 1945 - it's out of our map borders.

 

That's a shame, I really love the A-20 in game. Flying the Stuka against the best of the RAF and USAAF sounds like a fun challenge, though

 

Thanks for replying

[Sharpe43]

1 minute ago, =621=Samikatz said:

 

That's a shame, I really love the A-20 in game. Flying the Stuka against the best of the RAF and USAAF sounds like a fun challenge, though

 

Thanks for replying

you're probably going to end up being 'bed check charlie'

[BOO]

5 minutes ago, Sharpe43 said:

Interesting response. So what are the chances of historical landmarks (for the period, think stuff like the Arnhem bridge, the Aachener cathedral of the fortress of Eben-Emael) appearing?

If they manage one relevant landmark they will beat a certain paid for map that, to this day has only a generic railway bridge, an incorrectly placed village and no other detail on an important historical area of the Caan Canal. At least JS isn't bulling us about great historical accuracy like some producers did. 

[Boomerang]

Thank you

[RAY-EU]

Very good project . Thank you ! Very happy:

Very good job ! right now , Every thing is very good quality right now and is working perfectly ( like the VR HTC VIVE PRO .)

[Veteran66]

5 hours ago, BlackSix said:

We can't move map borders as we need all Luftwaffe airfields near Frankfurt and we need Me 262 (Rheine, Hopsten, Achmer, Hesepe) and JG 26 airfields on the north.

Our game is mainly devoted to the actions of aviation.

 

50km to the south and it's my hometown on the map (Heidelberg)

very nice big map your team make for us

 

[Jason_Williams]

44 minutes ago, Sharpe43 said:

Interesting response. So what are the chances of historical landmarks (for the period, think stuff like the Arnhem bridge, the Aachener cathedral of the fortress of Eben-Emael) appearing?

 

We make a flight-sim not a city sim. Like I said we'll do our best to make a convincing map. But please, don't think  you will be able to locate your own house. We don't like making "civilized" maps for this reason. Too much to desire for detail. But the plane-set is too good to pass up so we'll give it a go. Like we said, compromises will be necessary, just like we have already done with our other maps and they are pretty great.

 

Jsaon

[smink1701]

Thanks for the update.

[Sotka94]

Career sounds better and better, thank you for such an interesting dev blog .  I am starting to get a little worried now about performance issues, though. I already had to downgrade my graphic settings after the Kuban update, and my computer is only two years old.

 

I'm excited to fly through Market Garden and the Battle of the Bulge, I need to do more reading on most of the other listed operations, however. Looking forward to starting a career in the RAF/USAAF.

[Ruben_Szabo]

nice but when will the early access testing begin? u guys sain in #191 that it will come out in may

Edited May 17, 2018 by JG54_Ruben_Szabo

[=FI=Genosse]

This is a quite ambitious job, folks! Respect!

[TP_Silk]

11 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

We make a flight-sim not a city sim. Like I said we'll do our best to make a convincing map. But please, don't think  you will be able to locate your own house. We don't like making "civilized" maps for this reason. Too much to desire for detail. But the plane-set is too good to pass up so we'll give it a go. Like we said, compromises will be necessary, just like we have already done with our other maps and they are pretty great.

 

Jsaon

 

Sorry, but they're not pretty great......   they are bloody fantastic 

As you say, too much realism is not necessarily a good thing.

 

EDIT:

I can certainly think of some structures within the map area that, while historically correct, have no place at all in a flight sim.

Edited May 17, 2018 by TP_Silk

[Ruben_Szabo]

nice but when will the early access testing begin? u guys sain in #191 that it will come out in may

[Jason_Williams]

3 minutes ago, JG54_Ruben_Szabo said:

nice but when will the early access testing begin? u guys sain in #191 that it will come out in may

 

The first two Bodenplatte planes are ready for testing Spit 9 and 109 G-14. They go into Beta this weekend. We're a couple weeks behind schedule, which is not too bad.

 

Jason