the "Erich Hartmann" pilot

[LUZITANO]

Is always defensive and flying very high, 7k is good for him

 

Does not cover the bombers or makes the objetive, since it is in its territory

 

He does not engage in bloody fighting at low altitude, so as not to risk scratching paint of the airplane

 

And ... if all goes well. I hope to eat this kind of pilot alive (with the SpitIX and american stuff) when I get to "battle of bodenplatte"

 

[Gambit21]

Well okey dokey then...

[FTC_Riksen]

I dont know what you are using but you should really consider stopping it ...

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Bird in the heavens,

High enough to strike, not yet.

Brave Erich Hartmann!

 

[Trooper117]

29 minutes ago, LUZITANO said:

Is always defensive and flying very high, 7k is good for him

 

Does not cover the bombers or makes the objetive, since it is in its territory

 

He does not engage in bloody fighting at low altitude, so as not to risk scratching paint of the airplane

 

And ... if all goes well. I hope to eat this kind of pilot alive (with the SpitIX and american stuff) when I get to "battle of bodenplatte"

 

 

I suspect it's something in his coffee...

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

Lol I thought this was about Eric Cartman.... 

was like what?

[Wolfram-Harms]

15 hours ago, LUZITANO said:

I hope to eat this kind of pilot alive (with the SpitIX and american stuff) when I get to "battle of bodenplatte"

 

Well, good luck then, LUZITANO.
You make it sound like Hartmann was an over-careful (not to say coward) fighter pilot.
But all he did was flying like he had a life to loose - a point that is missing for all simulation pilots.
Hartmann had 350-something victories - do you have any idea how often he was in a certain danger?
Despite this high number, he said later that his biggest achievement was, that he never lost a wingman.
That's a good point to start at for every ambitious fighter pilot.

 

Once, Hartmann was chased by no less but 8 American Mustangs. They didn't get him.
If you want to eat pilots like him alive, you must get at them first - before they get you. Good luck again!

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[Lensman]

How many simulation kills do you currently have Luzitano? How good ARE you?

[Vig]

IB4TL

[LUZITANO]

32 minutes ago, Lensman said:

How many simulation kills do you currently have Luzitano? How good ARE you?

i'm bad

[1_Robert_]

[Feathered_IV]

Oh no. All the Butt Hurtmanns will cancel their preorders now. 

[[CPT]Crunch]

And you know they're up there how? 

 

I'd hardly call someone up above me, "defensive".

[LUZITANO]

2 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

You make it sound like Hartmann was an over-careful (not to say coward) fighter pilot.

 

I like to fly with Germany
I like to fly with the Soviets
I like to fly with the British.
I like to fly with the Americans
I like to fly with the Japanese
I like to fly with the Italians

 

You know? I like to fly

 

I know that according to the rules of the game, playing defensively is totally allowed and a very tactical way in this type of combat. It's the right, it's not the wrong. But ... at the same time this is so annoying. These people who jostle in esquad to fly extremely high and to be totally defensive ... Anyway ... That is not the problem

What I need to figure out is how to deal with this situation, how to face them at their altitude or change tactics. I even accept tips, I need to solve this question because I hate having people flying higher than I

 

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

Well, I feel you’d need a wingman or two flights if you want to rid of this here pest... 

lower flight is bait and upper is the killer... 

soon as the 7km aircraft goes for the dive the upper flight now has advantage to strike and lower flight needs to be in comms to know to evade... it would be a waiting game but I’m sure there are many tactics to work around a situation like it...

 

 

i would just just fly on the deck then

[Leaf]

44 minutes ago, LUZITANO said:

What I need to figure out is how to deal with this situation, how to face them at their altitude or change tactics. I even accept tips, I need to solve this question because I hate having people flying higher than I

Either: 

a.) make sure you always have an altitude advantage, no matter what. Take your time to climb, climb and climb some more. If you can't beat them, join them (at 8km)

or

b.) stay at low-medium altitudes and keep your eyes open. Most people flying so high won't want to waste their altitude diving on a target at 3km altitude. So most of the time you're safe for the very reason you don't like high-flyers: they stay high, all the time. Also bear in mind that most pilots who dive on you will have developed a significant speed differential, so use that to your advantage. Evade carefully and they are bound to overshoot, at which point you will have a brief advantage. 

Edited April 25, 2018 by Leaf

[hames123]

7 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

 

Well, good luck then, LUZITANO.
You make it sound like Hartmann was an over-careful (not to say coward) fighter pilot.
But all he did was flying like he had a life to loose - a point that is missing for all simulation pilots.
Hartmann had 350-something victories - do you have any idea how often he was in a certain danger?
Despite this high number, he said later that his biggest achievement was, that he never lost a wingman.
That's point where to start for every ambitious fighter pilot.

 

Once, Hartmann was chased by no less but 8 American Mustangs. They didn't get him.
If you want to eat pilots like him alive, you must get at them first - before they get you. Good luck again!

 

 

Hartman was also almost certainly an overclaimer.

[ZachariasX]

3 minutes ago, hames123 said:

 

Hartman was also almost certainly an overclaimer.

Did he claim an over?

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Bear in mind, I'm not even a good pilot...

 

Last time a dude complained about me flying high, I decided to dogfight with him.  I didn't sit down there and pull the stick into my crotch like he wanted me to; but rather fought in the vertical.

 

To his credit, he was very hard to hit in his yak, probably overly-defensive if anything, because I never even got close to a firing solution, and neither did he.

 

All in all, it was a really disappointing engagement; but it was funny when he threw on his navigation lights and started diving back toward his airfield, *talking trash as he did it*.  I thought about going after him, but my fuel light had already been on for several minutes, and I do like to actually land when I can.

[Herne]

52 minutes ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

  I thought about going after him, but my fuel light had already been on for several minutes, and I do like to actually land when I can.

 

Pretty sure my crew chief hates me. I rarely bring "his" planes back in one piece

[Wolfram-Harms]

5 hours ago, LUZITANO said:

It's the right, it's not the wrong. But ... at the same time this is so annoying.

 

Mmuahahahahaaa!!! I know what you mean. Those Richthofens can make any lesser pilot feel REALLY bad - before they kill him...

 

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What I need to figure out is how to deal with this situation, how to face them at their altitude or change tactics. I even accept tips...

 

Well, here is one tip: as a Russian pilot, you could fly the MiG-3. She is an excellent fighter above 6000 meters.
She was made for altitude, she has a powerful engine and a very good cockpit view.

All this combined with great firepower. I bet you'll love her!

Just don't follow opponents all the way down - overcome that "killer urge" and remain high.

 

57 minutes ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

Bear in mind, I'm not even a good pilot...

 

Hey, an honest man! Let me buy you a drink, hrafnkolbrandr - I am flying in the same category!

I often confuse the enemy by doing things so obviously wrong and stupid that they think it must be a trap!

 

You say it wasn't an exciting fight - but in RL you both would have been happy that you came out of it intact.

 

 

Edited April 25, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

Why do people use Hartmann as an example of the guy that flies at 8k? The only analogy to him would be the fact that they both hardly get shot down, although for different reasons. If you read his biography it becomes fairly evident that he actually got down and dirty a lot. In contrast to some others he just was not into turnfighting, because he realized the strength of his plane in comparison to the allied planes. Apart from that I really do not understand how that sim myth came into being.

[Godspeed]

[Reckoner_]

Oh boy he moved from WT forum to IL-2 forum... Well good luck everybody to endure this guy in the future.

[Trooper117]

Well if he's going to eat German pilots alive, I can't understand why he needs to start another thread asking about how he's going to do it with Russian planes at altitude...

Still, let's wish him luck... after making comments like above he's going to need it, bless him ... 

[THERION]

Well, to all pilots - serious ones or not - there is maxim that all of us should follow in any situation (RL too!):

 

"Know what your doing and do what you're knowing"

 

I read many books (and I got lots of them) of so called aces. They all had the same attitude:

Stay alive, know your enemy and his strengths / weaknesses and most of all know yours.

I think it's a good basis to survive another day and eventually to succeed. 

 

11 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

But all he did was flying like he had a life to loose - a point that is missing for all simulation pilots.
Hartmann had 350-something victories - do you have any idea how often he was in a certain danger?

 

I can only emphasize this. 

[LUZITANO]

when I wrote this, I admit it. I was pissed off

I started playing recently and the pilots here have a lot of skill, besides that I can not identify enemies well

 

The truth is, the tactic of flying high is the right one. Just ... I do not have allied equipment to do this

Edited April 25, 2018 by LUZITANO

[Wolfram-Harms]

33 minutes ago, LUZITANO said:

I started playing recently and the pilots here have a lot of skill, besides that I can not identify enemies well...

 

Same here - I'm not flying very long (I fly only 4-5 hours per week).

The online MP pilots have all fallen hundreds of times, before they were so good.
Now they are "Ueber-Ace-Zombies" even Hartmann, Barkhorn and Rall would have found difficult to deal with.

Perhaps you try some CARREERs first, to get to know your craft, and learn to find and identify the aircraft?

I must say, I enjoy that a lot recently.

 

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The truth is, the tactic of flying high is the right one. Just ... I do not have allied equipment to do this

 

The MiG-3 was in "Battle of Moscow" I think - I guess you don't have that? The craft is definitely a nice choice on the Russian side.

Start saving your money!

[LUZITANO]

5 minutes ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

 

Same here - I'm not flying very long (I fly only 4-5 hours per week).

The online MP pilots have all fallen hundreds of times, before they were so good.
Now they are "Ueber-Ace-Zombies" even Hartmann, Barkhorn and Rall would have found difficult to deal with.

Perhaps you try some CARREERs first, to get to know your craft, and learn to find and identify the aircraft?

I must say, I enjoy that a lot recently.

 

 

The MiG-3 was in "Battle of Moscow" I think - I guess you don't have that? The craft is definitely a nice choice on the Russian side.

Start saving your money!

I would also like to say that when I referred to pilots Erich Hartmann, I said that because they are extremely skilled. I had some clashes above 5k yesterday and it did not go well for me

Mig-3... It's a very kind airplane, I'm thinking about it a lot

 

[Wolfram-Harms]

Yes, very good pilots around at high altitude.

Here's a video tutorial about the MiG which may be useful once you have it.

In the second video you see the amazing cockpit view very well.

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[LUZITANO]

Thx @Wolfram-Harms

before buying BOS I have seen a lot of this video that you are indicating me. I started following the Sheriff channel before playing the New IL-2
I honestly bought the Stalingrad Battle thinking of the Bf109F-4 and G-2 that are the best
 

9 hours ago, Reckoner_ said:

Oh boy he moved from WT forum to IL-2 forum... Well good luck everybody to endure this guy in the future.

I already have a post about this

 

-WT player in IL-2, first combats-

"I can't see anything..."

"My God, where is the enemy?"

BO-BO-BOM!!! ZOOOOOMMMMMMM!!

(bailing out)

End of story

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Some food for thought: if there are enemy fighters flying far up high where it's safe, why bother engaging with them in the first place? You can come in below 1000m in an Il-2 and wipe out a whole target, drop level with the Pe-2 or A-20 at 2000m or 3000m where you're still safe from the astronauts, or dive with the Pe-2 from those altitudes. If you're feeling foxy, you can also go in low as a fighter bomber and still inflict a lot of damage. Alternatively, go after the bombers the astronaut isn't protecting. If it doesn't have the safety of either your bombers/transports or ground assets in mind, fighter-to-fighter combat is useless.

 

Altitude advantage is relative, not absolute - past a certain point, being too high means you can't see the enemy, attack in a timely fashion, or even go down to their level without destroying the aircraft. The real dangerous enemies are those lurking around at 4000m or so, with a game plan ready and an actual mission to execute.

[Wolfram-Harms]

31 minutes ago, LUZITANO said:

"My God, where is the enemy?"

BO-BO-BOM!!! ZOOOOOMMMMMMM!!

(bailing out)

End of story

 

Yeah, like that... You need to accept: you are a greenhorn yet. It takes time and learning...

[Horna]

11 hours ago, Reckoner_ said:

Oh boy he moved from WT forum to IL-2 forum... Well good luck everybody to endure this guy in the future.

Toxic elitism, just what this game needs

[THERION]

Come on Gentlemen,

 

I think it is very positive if people choose to swap from WT world to our beloved IL2 world. It is always hard for beginners

when they make their first encounter in IL2. Although I am not a beginner at all (flying sims since 1992!) I still suck very

often in MP, but I love it and I have a lot of great fun. And of course, I'm eager to improve my skills everyday.

 

So, please, be gentle with these new victims, help them to improve and have fun, so they stay and don't regret leaving

WT. And if they might have some strange conceptions about the FM, DM etc. - don't blame them, teach them and

help them to improve. Thank you very mucho!

 

Cherrio

[LUZITANO]

6 hours ago, EAF_T_Therion said:

So, please, be gentle with these new victims

Please!

 

[DetCord12B]

raaid, is this you on a separate account or something? Oh you wiley dog, you.

 

RANDOM PICTURE! RANDOM SUBJECT!

 

https://i.imgur.com/gIzKoOU.gifv

 

 

[Trooper117]

12 hours ago, EAF_T_Therion said:

So, please, be gentle with these new victims

 

I think it's great that WT players migrate onto a more sophisticated flight sim like BoS... it's good for them and it helps the dev's with more sales...

However, when they turn up and make statements telling us all that they are going to ''eat other pilots alive'' when Bodenplatte is released then I can only say they are open to some form of reciprical comments.

Mine would be, if I'm quoting the great bard William Shakespeare,  ''Boy, you've just opened a whole can of WHOOP ASS''

[Wolf8312]

On 25/04/2018 at 5:53 PM, Sambot88 said:

Nothing wrong with various flying styles and people having opinions on them. A focus on safety and self preservation is every bit as valid as a reckless and wanton abandon, depending on the situation. I myself prefer to fly recklessly, even in Ironman mode. Getting away with being as close to the edge as possible is even better when the stakes are high. Those with the self control and good sense to fly more strategically deserve the advantages that such a style confers. Doesn't sound nearly as fun, though.

 

Agree I would go as far to say that learning self control in a sim in which you cannot die, or come to harm is one of the most important lessons of all, enabling one to take his flying to a much higher level. The most important thing in a dogfight or indeed any tactical battle of wits is patience.