Quick Noobie Review + extra

[=RS=GiantPLANK]

Wow, Just wow.  Im seriously impressed with this game.  Worth the full asking price let alone the discount I got both BOS and BOM for when Kuban launched a week or so ago.

 

I love the cloud effects, and the water droplets on the canopy when passing through is a really atmoshperic (no pun!) touch.  Also the scratches on the perspex/glass canopys is a great touch too. The amount of playability and content in just  BoS and BoM will keep me going for far more time than i can commit to such a game.  And the graphics of the planes are amasing.  I have wanted VR for a while but then i found out that IL2 supports VR! Now all I can think about is how to save up to make it a reality.

 

When Im pulling into a turn to hard and the plane starts to buffet and strain, its like i can almost feel the limits of my plane through my joystick even though thats imposiburuuu...

 

Anyway loving the game so far.  I took an La5 into a multiplayer battle for the first time ever on kuban.  onto the tail of a real player in bf 109, sprayed and prayed.  he did some crazy manouever to dodge my fiire and then loop up and over onto my 6 (i dont have track ir, just hat switch for head movement) and laid into my poor La5.  I pulled off some aerobatic dodging at low altitude weaving through treetops at one point to evade the killing blow.  My canopy shattered in several places (another excellent touch, with wind noises too!), oil leaking all over my screen, hud reticle gone and engine damaged.  Maybe the BF109 crashed in pursuit, maybe a friendly got him.  All i know is the coup de grace never came and i managed to limp back to the airfield and put my dying bird back on the ground peering through the gaps in the oil slick.  Back in time for tea and crumpets. Huzzah!

 

A thrilling experience.  I look forward to many more.

 

If i have any critical comment at this early stage  - the oils splattter and hit damage to airplane in some areas look like decals that "pop" into existance when hit.  Yes fully realised/animated damage would be nice but then im no game programmer and have no idea if A - its possible, or B) its possible to complete for all planes inthe game in a single mans lifetime!

 

Final note:::::

 

I am a big fan of the Pacific Theatre, which I know has had to be put on the back burner.  However, I live in Japan and have some photos of the cockpit instrument panel and body of the Ki 61 Hien.  And also the ZERO A6M5a from the displays at the Air museum in Gifu.  If anyone thinks they might be useful let me know.  Theyre taken by iphone but if theyre really important I could go back again and get a whole load of better quality shots.  Would love to see the Pacific Theatre in IL2 again!

 

 

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congrats on getting the game and having such bright enthusiasm after flying in it!

 

you mention VR? ..  Well, sir, if you get VivePro and a decent enough machine (***cough*** top of the line 1080ti + 8700K oc'ed to 4.8-5.0 ghz cpu ***cough***)  you won't get out of the cockpit for dayzzzz.  You will be dreaming it. And it'll drive you nuts because you would feel that you'd rather be playing it than dreaming.

[SAG]

you should make VR a reality! tuste me. it'll be worth it. and perhaps visiting that museum again could help the devs out, maybe send one of the Devs a Private Message.

[=RS=GiantPLANK]

22 hours ago, moosya said:

congrats on getting the game and having such bright enthusiasm after flying in it!

 

you mention VR? ..  Well, sir, if you get VivePro and a decent enough machine (***cough*** top of the line 1080ti + 8700K oc'ed to 4.8-5.0 ghz cpu ***cough***)  you won't get out of the cockpit for dayzzzz.  You will be dreaming it. And it'll drive you nuts because you would feel that you'd rather be playing it than dreaming.

 oh crikey Those specs require specialist cooling, i usually build my own pc but never overclock.  Will it still run well with normal CPU and the 1080ti?  GPUs are super expensive in Japan and even more so now with cryptomining so popular....

21 hours ago, 19//SAG said:

you should make VR a reality! tuste me. it'll be worth it. and perhaps visiting that museum again could help the devs out, maybe send one of the Devs a Private Message.

i defo want to get the vive pro but moosya seems to think i need a top tier pc to run it properly.  may have to wait a year for GPUs to fal in price a bit.

 

which dev would you suggest i contact about the photos?

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1 hour ago, GiantCorn said:

 oh crikey Those specs require specialist cooling, i usually build my own pc but never overclock.  Will it still run well with normal CPU and the 1080ti?  GPUs are super expensive in Japan and even more so now with cryptomining so popular....

i defo want to get the vive pro but moosya seems to think i need a top tier pc to run it properly.  may have to wait a year for GPUs to fal in price a bit.

 

which dev would you suggest i contact about the photos?

 

the main culprit for the CPU for VR (!) in Il2 is to get it to or above 4.7ghz, whether it's 6700k, 7700k or 8700k. You can do it on an aircooler (massive one), or you can get the AIO (all in one) water cooler setup just for the CPU. It's a closed loop, plug&play, no need to run pipes/cooling liquid, it comes in a simple package that is already sealed and ready to install. .. i.e. here's an example:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181103&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Liquid+%2F+Water+Cooling-_-N82E16835181103&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlKDdssjG2gIVhJ-zCh2xSgSyEAUYASABEgKw4vD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

you combine 4.7ghz cpu  with 1080ti + VivePro = winning setup.

Edited April 19, 2018 by moosya

[cellinsky]

May I ask why exactly 4.7ghz? I have my watercooled 8600k running @ 4.5ghz with nice cool temps.  Would I see a significant gain when going to 4.7 or even above? I am a bit uneasy when it comes to overclocking a pricey cpu...

[SAG]

1 hour ago, GiantCorn said:

 oh crikey Those specs require specialist cooling, i usually build my own pc but never overclock.  Will it still run well with normal CPU and the 1080ti?  GPUs are super expensive in Japan and even more so now with cryptomining so popular....

i defo want to get the vive pro but moosya seems to think i need a top tier pc to run it properly.  may have to wait a year for GPUs to fal in price a bit.

 

which dev would you suggest i contact about the photos?

 

 

Overclocking an 8700K to 4.9Ghz should literally be a matter of changing  two or three settings in your BIOS (with appropriate cooling); I just bought a Noctua Nh D15 cooler since i want to buy that procesor and run it at 5Ghz,  but you don't HAVE TO. that chip should do well enough for VR at stock speeds. 

 

As for the GPU and a vive Pro i would really recommend the 1080TI.

 

 

Before going to the museum maybe you can talk to @Jason_Williams and he would probably tell you if the visit would help them out or not (i'd probably go myself anyway, if i had the chance though  )

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25 minutes ago, cellinsky said:

May I ask why exactly 4.7ghz? I have my watercooled 8600k running @ 4.5ghz with nice cool temps.  Would I see a significant gain when going to 4.7 or even above? I am a bit uneasy when it comes to overclocking a pricey cpu...

 

there were some tests the folks have done showing a noticeable jump in fps in VR between 4.5 and 4.7, and diminishing returns after that so-to-speak.

 

as far as oc'ing -  I honestly think you have absolutely nothing to be worried about if you're using K cpu's from Intel. I've successfully overclocked 6700k on the AIO coolers (ran for 3 years) as well as my new 8700k (~6 months). You don't need to be a scientist to do it:

- have a decent AIO water cooler (or some massive air heatsink+fan)

-  enable XMP memory profile in Bios

- overclock in Bios using basic multipliers. Each mobo has its own set of instructions, but in general it usually comes down to modifying 2 or 3 parameters and nothing else.

 

You won't destroy K processors with 4.7 or even 5.0ghz oc as long as you stay below 90C, which is extremely conservative.  Even if you go higher your OS will crash way before anything detrimental happens to the CPU.

[216th_Jordan]

1 hour ago, moosya said:

You won't destroy K processors with 4.7 or even 5.0ghz oc as long as you stay below 90C, which is extremely conservative.  Even if you go higher your OS will crash way before anything detrimental happens to the CPU.

 

Erm, 90°C is pretty hot and surely not very "conservative" (pun intended) on your CPU. Temperature is the main reason for destruction of CPUs while overclocking and this can happen over time, eroding your CPU until it spontaneously fails. Heres some reading for OCing Intel CPUs:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html

 

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• Core temperatures above 85°C aren't recommended.
• Core temperatures below 80°C are preferred.

 

Edited April 19, 2018 by 216th_Jordan

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3 minutes ago, 216th_Jordan said:

 

Erm, 90°C is pretty hot and surely not very "conservative" (pun intended) on your CPU. Temperature is the main reason for destruction of CPUs while overclocking. Heres some reading for Intel CPUs:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html

 

 

oops, my bad.. typo.. 80C is correct! 

 

however, my point wasn't about that. It was about the fact that in order to destroy your CPU you need to run it much much hotter. The 8700k thermal limit is 105C, i.e. you can actually run it at 104C for some time and it'll work.. somehow.. and won't get destroyed, at least on paper .. If you run it at that temp for a month 24x7 then I have a feeling it will eventually die, but for 2-3 hour gaming sessions with temps going up and down depending on the load (vs 100% in calc stress tests) it'll last much much longer. Hence my 'conservative' comment.

Edited April 19, 2018 by moosya

[cellinsky]

3 hours ago, moosya said:

You won't destroy K processors with 4.7 or even 5.0ghz oc as long as you stay below 90C, which is extremely conservative.  Even if you go higher your OS will crash way before anything detrimental happens to the CPU.

 

Oh well, Im around 50C with 4.5 right now. So I think I will give 4.7 a go and see if I it makes any difference. Its allready very steady but a bit more hmmph just for the smoothness would certainly not hurt...

[Wolf8312]

4 hours ago, cellinsky said:

May I ask why exactly 4.7ghz? I have my watercooled 8600k running @ 4.5ghz with nice cool temps.  Would I see a significant gain when going to 4.7 or even above? I am a bit uneasy when it comes to overclocking a pricey cpu...

With a 5 ghz OC profile temps never really get above 50 degrees for me and on average about 42 degrees. But good thing about VR is I fly a mission and have a rest, after which I deactivate the profile and let my CPU rest as well! Dont need to rock the OC 24/7 if you're worried about temps, though with water cooling I think you'd have less cause for concern than I do...

 

I am running on a large double fanned air cooler. As long as you monitor temps and your system stays stable (no BOSD's) there shouldnt be cause for concern. When an OC is bad your computer will let you know very quickly! 

 

But not sure how much of a difference there is between 4.8 and 5, or 4.5 and 4.7 to be honest. I cant really distinguish such things that easily, but I know an OC beats the hell out of stock. I think really for BOS you want to be aiming for around 4.8. 

 

The i7-8700k actually performs pretty well at stock in BOS probably because BOS is largely single core. After recent update Game is performing much better now too.

 

OP this game in VR isnt just the best game or flight sim ever, it is in the running for the best thing ever haha!

[=RS=GiantPLANK]

22 hours ago, moosya said:

 

the main culprit for the CPU for VR (!) in Il2 is to get it to or above 4.7ghz, whether it's 6700k, 7700k or 8700k. You can do it on an aircooler (massive one), or you can get the AIO (all in one) water cooler setup just for the CPU. It's a closed loop, plug&play, no need to run pipes/cooling liquid, it comes in a simple package that is already sealed and ready to install. .. i.e. here's an example:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181103&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Liquid+%2F+Water+Cooling-_-N82E16835181103&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlKDdssjG2gIVhJ-zCh2xSgSyEAUYASABEgKw4vD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

you combine 4.7ghz cpu  with 1080ti + VivePro = winning setup.

 

21 hours ago, 19//SAG said:

 

 

Overclocking an 8700K to 4.9Ghz should literally be a matter of changing  two or three settings in your BIOS (with appropriate cooling); I just bought a Noctua Nh D15 cooler since i want to buy that procesor and run it at 5Ghz,  but you don't HAVE TO. that chip should do well enough for VR at stock speeds. 

 

As for the GPU and a vive Pro i would really recommend the 1080TI.

 

 

Before going to the museum maybe you can talk to @Jason_Williams and he would probably tell you if the visit would help them out or not (i'd probably go myself anyway, if i had the chance though  )

 

HI gents thanks for the tips thus far on VR,  i was checking the VR thread and came across something called

 

PIMAX 4K - what do you rekon to this instead of VIVE PRO, its like half the price!  frees up money to reinvest in CPU and GPU

[Guest deleted@134347]

17 minutes ago, GiantCorn said:

 

 

HI gents thanks for the tips thus far on VR,  i was checking the VR thread and came across something called

 

PIMAX 4K - what do you rekon to this instead of VIVE PRO, its like half the price!  frees up money to reinvest in CPU and GPU

 

get a used Rift..  seriously.. As long as lenses aren't scratched it'll be x10 better than new pimax.

 

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Just now, moosya said:

 

get a used Rift..  seriously.. As long as lenses aren't scratched it'll be x10 better than new pimax.

 

but why?  if thats the case, ill get the vive pro i dont like the screen door effect and heard the rift is bad.  i tried the PSVR at a mates and noticed the SDE  with that

 

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4 minutes ago, GiantCorn said:

but why?  if thats the case, ill get the vive pro i dont like the screen door effect and heard the rift is bad.  i tried the PSVR at a mates and noticed the SDE  with that

 

 

it's not 4k and generally a much lower quality product. It follows "you get what you pay for" principle..

 

here's a review from the smoke_fan who tried it out recently..

 

 

[=RS=GiantPLANK]

5 minutes ago, moosya said:

 

it's not 4k and generally a much lower quality product. It follows "you get what you pay for" principle..

 

here's a review from the smoke_fan who tried it out recently..

 

 

 

OK, i read the link you supplied.  Yes it seems YGWYPF, as ever.  Think ill stick with quality and just hold onto my purse strings a bit longer.  Thank MOOSYA, I really appreciate you taking the time to advice a total stranger/noob.

 

THANKS