Potential buyer asking some questions regarding A.I and campaign?

[Adger]

Hi all,as you can see this is my 1st post and hopefully wont be my last.

Ive had my finger hovering over the purchase button (Steam) for about a day now . Firstly the reason im using Steam for initial possible purchase of BOS is because i still have some funds in my Steam wallet. If i purchase and like this sim i will 100% make future purchases from this store allowing the Devs to get all the money from the sale.

 

Ive played sims since the C64 era,i own trackir and a Hotas stick. I fly IL-1946 fully modded with B.A.T. Falcon BMS, P3D, WOFFUE..among others..including ROF and this is where my questions are heading.

I love the sensation of flight in ROF,absolutely love it. But..my personal opinion i thought the A.I and "Campaign" mode could have been better (yep ive tried PWCG) which BTW is brilliant i you Pat. I just felt that "Something" was missing

 

Ive done a bit of homework so far on BOS and the recent update seems to have gone down really well with most players,but there seems to be issues still with A.I according to some posts?

Id be really appreciative if some of you guys and girls could shed your experience with the A.I good or bad. I 100% fly single player and i love a good campaign, a dynamic campaign even better,so hows the campaign now? Also are the 2 extra craft in the BOS premium edition worth the extra 9 G.B.P at this currant time?

 

Sorry for my questions everyone,i sincerely  wish you all well and hopefully il find this sim to my liking and then try to be a valuable member of this community.

Thanks Everyone.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Adger

[SwallowFire]

Whenever I need to make a decision on purchasing a game I go to youtube and watch people play it first. Recently I watched videos made by Phil Style which are solely about he playing the career mode. Opinions on AI are pretty devided among players at the moment. Some people think it is decent while others say it needs a major overhaul. I, personally, belong to the latter group. The career system itself is actually really good. But can you judge on the career mode alone without considering the AI?

[Bando]

I agree with SwallowFire.

 

I do not know what that "something missing" means in your view, but the AI in BO* is based on ROF.

I sure hope that it will be getting some love from the devs.

 

You can buy this from the store. After purchase you can get a steam key from the website. In this way all the revenues go to 7c.

 

In my personal view: I think buying this will give you a wonderful sim, probably the very best you can buy at the moment, but the AI needs work. There will be some frustration along the way, but the sensation this sim brings weighs heavier than that.

 

Good luck in your decision, and hope to meet you more often on these forums.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Bando
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[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

There are fantastic online campaigns played in MP, like TAW for example. Hence you're not limited to SP. The next one should start within the month. 

[Fritz_X]

4 minutes ago, Bando said:

You can buy this from the store. After purchase you can get a steam key from the website. In this way all the revenues go to 7c.

 

Careful, this is not true (anymore)!

 

The option to get a Steam key when buying BoS from the developers' store page has been expired long ago.

 

If you want the better download service through Steam, you have to buy BoS from there. Afterwards you can buy everything else (modules, collectors planes, campaigns, etc.) through the developers' store page, so the team gets the full revenue.

[Bando]

Well, this is what I see in my profile:

 

 

 

I do not use steam.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Bando

[Fritz_X]

5 minutes ago, Bando said:

Well, this is what I see in my profile:

 

 

 

I do not use steam.

 

I think this is because you have a Founder's Status. If you have bought the game on the developers' page before a certain date (can't name it exactly, sorry), you could (and since your screenshot proves it, still can) get a Steam key.

 

This doesn't work anymore if you buy it now.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Fritz_X

[Bando]

OK, I stand corrected.

I did not realise there is a difference in customers.

 

@Fritz_X: thanks for letting me know this

@adger: Sorry for the confusion I caused.

[Herne]

If you enjoyed RoF, I think there is a very good chance that you will enjoy IL2 Great battles. 

 

Iron man mode does kind of add a layer of challenge, at least for me. It's not just enemy action I have to worry about, sometimes I can be my own worst enemy. It only takes one mistake to clip a tree while over enthusiastically strafing soft targets to see you spend the rest of the war as a PoW.

 

I am kind of surprised though for someone with your long history of flight simming that "IL2 Great Battles" isn't in your inventory already ?

 

Hope to see you in the skies

o7

[dburne]

Yes the new Career is absolutely worth it.

I fly SP only and have many hours logged already into the Career, and in my opinion it is fantastic.

Based on the ROF Career but even better.

 

The AI has improved some with this update, at least it seems to me it has. It is good enough at least for me to have a very fun time with the Career.

Yes it has some faults, which hopefully will get improved upon with time, but these are not game killing faults for me.

 

Also you are familiar with PWCG , Pat has PWCG for this sim as well which is a great SP tool also. Between the new Career and PWCG there is no lack of some 

great SP action.

Edited April 6, 2018 by dburne

[=LD=Hethwill]

Absolutely worth it in all aspects, vanilla career mode or PWCG in coop with your sim friends, with one being the main character and the others always picking the same companion named pilot, so flight lead and element and wingmen can be always your buddies. Go ironman/DiD mode and suddenly the following quote makes a lot of sense when applied to IL-2

 

"Actions which are not permanent draw the player away from the simulated reality of the game. They present the players with the temptation of trivialise the importance of the actions and results, but actions, which have a permanent and immutable effect on the world the players are in, lead the player to consider actions more carefully."

 

Mind that we do not rewrite history in the career  we just relive it. So Moscow is a Allied fighting retreat, Stalingrad is a meat grinder, and Axis will lose in Kuban. But the entire subject is in fact your pilot.

 

[JG4_Sputnik]

I would also recommend to buy it. The SP campaign overall is very very well done, however the AI ruins every other flight. If you can live with that then you will be a happy simer. 

 

I just flew a HS129 mission yesterday (Stalingrad City Attack). It went extremely well for the first time (only one loss, but the fighter cover got ripped over the target). When we came back to our airfield after 50min, while landing we just found out that three I-16 were following us all the way from Stalingrad (20min!) without being able to catch up. The usual circling over our airfield started and I lost all my teammates to the fighters and the enemy lost all his fighters due to circling above the flak, so...

 

As soon  as the AI gets a "will to survive"  programmed into it, the career could be perfect. Until then it is "just" a great system that works  better in some situations than in others. The Fw190 career for example was a disaster, almost 60-100% losses every sortie. If you are willing to fight around that kind of issue you are good to go. I don't know how hight an AI improvement is on the devs list, but I hope they will improve it. The career could just be so much better if supported by the AI.

 

However though, imho there's no better sim out there at the moment so drop some money and support the devs for their great work

[Adger]

Hi all,1st of all many thanks for all your advice it's all very much appreciated.

 

@Bando thanks for the welcome and also for your honest insight. No worries regarding the Steam key issue I already realised this pal.

 

@SwallowFire again thank you for your honest insight,il certainly watch some of those videos,yep that's what I'm feeling aswell after looking at members posts that the Career is really good but sometimes the A.I lets it down. This I feel is possibly my only sticking point at the minute. Cheers

 

@SCG_Fenris_Wolf thank you for the insight into MP,il look into TAW..thanks

 

@=FEW=Herne never knew about Ironman mode until you've mentioned it pal,sounds really really interesting. Yep I've looked at IL-2 Previously but just let it slip by. I was getting my WW2 fix with 1946 and the B.A.T mod,I noticed some screenshots the other day over at SimHq and this title looked really impressive. The few videos I've seen look awesome. Hopefully see you in the skies soon..cheers 

 

@dBurne thank you..you post might have just swung it for me. Didn't realise that Pat was doing his magic on this sim aswell. The mans a genius thank you.

 

@=LD=Hethwill thank you also for your detailed post. The Stalingrad campaign/ Map is where I would start first. Cheers pal.

 

@JG4 Sputnik thank you,that's a really helpful post..I can forgive a "few" A.I issues,I'd be a bit cheesed off if I'm honest if it happened EVERY time I took a campaign flight though. But yes it does seem to be one of if not the best sim around at the moment. And I admire the fact that the Devs are still releasing patches/content etc..thanks pal

 

 

 

Thank you to all for replying with your thoughts and feelings towards this sim. One thing I will say I'm really impressed with the friendliness that I've so far encountered so thanks for that.

Another question if that's ok?

Has the A.I in your opinions got better and better with each patch? Or has it been the same since release?

Do you think the A.I will be further improved in the future? 

Thank you again to all of you,it's massively appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by Adger

[dburne]

15 minutes ago, Adger said:

 

Another question if that's ok?

Has the A.I in your opinions got better and better with each patch? Or has it been the same since release?

Do you think the A.I will be further improved in the future? 

Thank you again to all of you,it's massively appreciated.

 

 

Yes the AI has improved somewhat, and hopefully as time moves on they will be able to tweak and improve upon with future developments.

 

Now AI can be a somewhat subjective thing, whilst it may not be all that bad to me, to someone else it might be that it really makes it hard for them to do SP. 

Obviously based on all the feedback on the new Career, for a pretty large group it is not a deal breaker by any stretch. 

I am currently flying a Spitfire Career in Kuban, and having a blast. Probably the main issue I have see with the AI is on take offs when there are more than four in the flight taking off. Oftentimes ends up in one or two crashing into each other on the take off run. The last mission I flew yesterday, had 6, and this one luckily we all made it off the ground ok.

 

Previous to this 3.001 update, it seemed like oftentimes the enemy AI would just hone in on me and ignore some of my wingmen, making survivability difficult. With 3.001 update and the new Career, that does not seem to be happening like it was before. Enemy AI will often engage other wingmen rather than just honing in on me like a swarm of hornets. Of course if I am the last of my group left due to unfortunate circumstances, then they do and I high tail it as quickly as I can.

 

I have been flying combat flight sims for way more years than I care to think about, and I will say I have been very pleased with this new Career Mode. I don't do multiplayer, only singleplayer and that is what I spend all my time in.

I have also logged many hours in PWCG with this sim, and it is a lot of fun. Having both available, is SP heaven!

 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by dburne

[Fritz_X]

36 minutes ago, Adger said:

Has the A.I in your opinions got better and better with each patch? Or has it been the same since release?

Do you think the A.I will be further improved in the future? 

 

A big YES to your first and third question. The AI has evolved to the better over time and I feel like there's more improvement to come. Quite some issues were sorted out in the latest update about three weeks ago.

 

AFAIK the dev team currently has no dedicated AI programmer. Things could change if they find one in the future, but you have too keep in mind that they work on a rather tight budget.

 

As a SP-only player myself I can tell you this: The AI currently has its' fair share of problems and I'm not gonna lie, it can lead to rather frustating situations at times. But...

 

Anything else about this simulation is crafted so perfectly well, so that I'm willing to look over this flaw. Flying never felt so real before.

 

I played the 'classic' IL-2 for many years, from its' beginnings in 2001 to the 1946 compilation and beyond. And I loved every minute I have spend with it. And honestly, my start with the BoX series was a little rough. Even though I also flew quite alot in RoF, I was expecting that BoX felt more like the classic IL-2, not RoF. And so I was like 'No, that doesn't feel like the IL-2 I used to know!'.

 

And I think this feeling still holds alot of truth. BoX doesn't feel like classic IL-2 in many ways. It is an improvement in every single way, the sheer content 1946 offered aside. But you have to ask yourself: Do you want a perfectly well made steak for dinner, or a dozen of cheaply made, sloppy, lard-dripping hamburgers?

 

No matter how hard you mod the classic IL-2, it just can't keep up with what we got with BoX. Going back after playing BoX for a while simply feels all wrong to me.

 

In short: I'd recommend you to go ahead and buy it.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Fritz_X

[sevenless]

49 minutes ago, Adger said:

 

Another question if that's ok?

Has the A.I in your opinions got better and better with each patch? Or has it been the same since release?

Do you think the A.I will be further improved in the future? 

Thank you again to all of you,it's massively appreciated.

 

 

There has been quite a lot of improvement with regards to AI and other stuff (FM, DM). The devs are listening and up to now it got better and better with every patch/version.

 

Having flown basically most WW2 flightsims from Aces over Europe, European Air War, Il2 1946, CloD, DCS Normandy 44, BoS, BoM and BoK, I have to say that this one is the most refined and most fun sim of them all. Well worth it.

 

As a start buy the BoS Premium version from this site ($27.19) or a Steam Key here ( https://www.kinguin.net/de/category/11178/il-2-sturmovik-battle-of-stalingrad-steam-key/) and see how you like it. Then buy all theaters and planes and join the addiction 

Edited April 6, 2018 by sevenless

[Adger]

dBurne. Fritz_X and Sevenless...Thanks for your brilliant replies,you've sold it to me. I'm glad to hear that the A.i has been improved on with the possibility of further improvements. I think it's possible that a lot of potential buyers could be put off with "some" issues that seem to be affecting the A.i at the moment..If the Devs can improve on this I think the potential for sales could rocket. There's a hell of a lot of simmers that SP only,so to them good A.i is a priority. Thank you to you all for your excellent advice towards my questions..Cheers

[dburne]

Just now, Adger said:

dBurne. Fritz_X and Sevenless...Thanks for your brilliant replies,you've sold it to me. I'm glad to hear that the A.i has been improved on with the possibility of further improvements. I think it's possible that a lot of potential buyers could be put off with "some" issues that seem to be affecting the A.i at the moment..If the Devs can improve on this I think the potential for sales could rocket. There's a hell of a lot of simmers that SP only,so to them good A.i is a priority. Thank you to you all for your excellent advice towards my questions..Cheers

 

You are most welcome, be sure and let us know your impressions, and have fun!

[Feathered_IV]

I think I can safely say that there has been nobody more critical of this game's pre-patch singleplayer experience than me. 

So take that into account when I say, I'm really, really enjoying it now.

[Fritz_X]

5 minutes ago, Adger said:

dBurne. Fritz_X and Sevenless...Thanks for your brilliant replies,you've sold it to me. I'm glad to hear that the A.i has been improved on with the possibility of further improvements. I think it's possible that a lot of potential buyers could be put off with "some" issues that seem to be affecting the A.i at the moment..If the Devs can improve on this I think the potential for sales could rocket. There's a hell of a lot of simmers that SP only,so to them good A.i is a priority. Thank you to you all for your excellent advice towards my questions..Cheers

 

You're welcome! Hope you're gonna enjoy the BoX series as much as the rest of us does.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Throwing more fuel on the fire

 

The AI is not perfect in the IL-2 series but has definitely improved over time. The new Kuban map exposed some difficulties for the AI that weren't previously there... Namely large changes in terrain height. The 3.001 patch has fixed that mostly and they do a pretty good job of operating in hills and valleys where they would have just crashed before. Do they still crash weirdly sometimes? Yeah sometimes but I haven't seen it frequently (maybe once since 3.001 released).

 

They have improved how the AI behaves but they have massively improved the CPU hit that multiple AI objects (planes, tanks, jeeps, ships, etc.) cause. It's quite a bit better now than before.

[Adger]

Thanks to you all,il certainly let you know my thoughts..I'm actually looking forward to this sim now more than I probably was yesterday.

 

1 thing I will say is that I've been really impressed with you guys on the forum,thanks for that it's made a pleasant change from other forums. Your advice has been brilliant .

 

@Feathered_IV thank you,that's really good to hear. It's answers like yours that "Persuade" me to purchase..Thanks Pal

 

@ShamrockOneFive , thanks for the reply yeah I've read about the Kuban map potential issues with the terrain height. Thank you for mentioning the CPU hit fix, Il be Flying with a I7 4790k and a EVGA FTW 1070..this sim from what I've seen on vids/pics looks glorious.

 

I've just seen a Dev diary update aswell from Han that mentions "Enhancements"coming in the next 3-4weeks including Career and A.I. Excellent news

Edited April 6, 2018 by Adger

[Wedgewood]

5 hours ago, Fritz_X said:

 

I think this is because you have a Founder's Status. If you have bought the game on the developers' page before a certain date (can't name it exactly, sorry), you could (and since your screenshot proves it, still can) get a Steam key.

 

This doesn't work anymore if you buy it now.

I just checked my profile and I also now have a "get steam key" button which I don't recall having before.  I'm not a founder and have bought BOM and BOS but pre-ordered Kuban.  I haven't tried the option to see if it works.

[seafireliv]

The Campaign is much better than before. No longer do you need to throw the dice to pretend to have a mission chosen for you. You pick your squad, the aircraft you general like and from there, the Campaign chooses for you (as long as you start as a newbie). Even the aircraft you choose may change depending on the circumstances. Missions vary a lot as well.

 

10 X better than what it used to be.

[dburne]

3 hours ago, seafireliv said:

The Campaign is much better than before. No longer do you need to throw the dice to pretend to have a mission chosen for you. You pick your squad, the aircraft you general like and from there, the Campaign chooses for you (as long as you start as a newbie). Even the aircraft you choose may change depending on the circumstances. Missions vary a lot as well.

 

10 X better than what it used to be.

 

Agreed, no comparison really.

[ShamrockOneFive]

5 hours ago, Adger said:

Thanks to you all,il certainly let you know my thoughts..I'm actually looking forward to this sim now more than I probably was yesterday.

 

1 thing I will say is that I've been really impressed with you guys on the forum,thanks for that it's made a pleasant change from other forums. Your advice has been brilliant .

 

@Feathered_IV thank you,that's really good to hear. It's answers like yours that "Persuade" me to purchase..Thanks Pal

 

@ShamrockOneFive , thanks for the reply yeah I've read about the Kuban map potential issues with the terrain height. Thank you for mentioning the CPU hit fix, Il be Flying with a I7 4790k and a EVGA FTW 1070..this sim from what I've seen on vids/pics looks glorious.

 

I've just seen a Dev diary update aswell from Han that mentions "Enhancements"coming in the next 3-4weeks including Career and A.I. Excellent news

Your system should serve you well. The 1070 will power through most of the graphical options without issue and the 4790, though a few generations out from the latest, should be just fine as well. It will push your CPU hard that's for sure but again, you should be fine and be able to play well. If you run into trouble please don't hesitate to ask the forum or the official support. We can all usually figure something out

[Sky_Wolf]

An AI-related poll is now available for voting:

Perhaps the results of this poll will encourage the devs to improve the AI, or perhaps not. 

 

[DD_Arthur]

@Adger m8,

 

Battle of Stalingrad basic version is available on Steam right now for £13.59.

 

That makes it an absolute steal!

 

Edit; oh yeah, your system will run this game with no problems whatsoever. 

Edited April 6, 2018 by DD_Arthur

[Adger]

Thanks Guys ive just got in this minute from work,purchasing soon... A quick 1 before i purchase?

Are the collector planes ( La-5 Series 8  and fw190 A-3 ) worth purchasing? its £13.59 for the basic version and £22.09 for the Deluxe a difference of only £8.50..or are the initial 8 aircraft more than enough to be getting along with from the start? Thanks everybody.

 

ShamRockOneFive and DD_Arthur thanks for the heads up regarding my system Cheers guys

Edited April 6, 2018 by Adger

[Fritz_X]

16 minutes ago, Adger said:

A quick 1 before i purchase?

Are the collector planes ( La-5 Series 8  and fw190 A-3 ) worth purchasing?

 

Most definitely!

 

Afterall, every piece of content is worth buying. I for myself own every module and plane, even though I fly some of them only very rarely / almost never. Just to have the choice and to support the developers.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Fritz_X

[sevenless]

16 minutes ago, Adger said:

Thanks Guys ive just got in this minute from work,purchasing soon... A quick 1 before i purchase?

Are the collector planes ( La-5 Series 8  and fw190 A-3 ) worth purchasing? its £13.59 for the basic version and £22.09 for the Deluxe a difference of only £8.50..or are the initial 8 aircraft more than enough to be getting along with from the start? Thanks everybody.

 

ShamRockOneFive and DD_Arthur thanks for the heads up regarding my system Cheers guys

Yes definitively go for the premium version with La5 and FW190. Both offer greatly (positive) different flight characteristics from the stock planes. And as I already mentioned. Sooner or later you buy them anyways 

[Adger]

Haha you guys have sold it to me..ive just purchased the Premium edition of BOS. I had £15 in my Steam wallet left over from my mum at Christmas. Thanks Ma

 

Thank you to all who have given me advice i look forward to sinking my teeth into BOS,im hoping that i get bitten by the bug and purchase BOM very soon.

Il be back with my initial thoughts soon as.

Cheers again Everybody Best Regards:Adger

 

[sevenless]

2 minutes ago, Adger said:

Haha you guys have sold it to me..ive just purchased the Premium edition of BOS. I had £15 in my Steam wallet left over from my mum at Christmas. Thanks Ma

 

Thank you to all who have given me advice i look forward to sinking my teeth into BOS,im hoping that i get bitten by the bug and purchase BOM very soon.

Il be back with my initial thoughts soon as.

Cheers again Everybody Best Regards:Adger

 

And now enjoy!

 

You have tons of hours in singleplayer career alone checking out all those fighter units. Defend mother russia or fly for the evil empire , it is your choice. Have fun!

[Adger]

3 minutes ago, sevenless said:

And now enjoy!

 

You have tons of hours in singleplayer career alone checking out all those fighter units. Defend mother russia or fly for the evil empire , it is your choice. Have fun!

 

 

Thanks very much sevenless..maybe the evil empire is the way to go

 

 

[Adger]

Initial thoughts are really good,Track Ir setup with no fuss at all,also the Joystick after a few settings made seems perfect.

 

Graphics are excellent (a bit bright) in the snow but that's easily fixed. Trying on Normal settings at the moment im going to do a hell of a lot of reading,Watching vids and Free flight until i can Master full Realism. (Which is how i really want to play this sim)

 

My practice take-offs are getting better,i haven,t  tried landing yet   Im just going to play with the graphic settings to get my "Look" right.

Thanks to Everyone once again that took their time out to reply to my questions..Ive a lot to learn yet in this sim but i honestly believe that im going to have fun doing so. And that,s what it,s all about.

Thanks Guys :Adger

[seafireliv]

9 minutes ago, Adger said:

Initial thoughts are really good,Track Ir setup with no fuss at all,also the Joystick after a few settings made seems perfect.

 

Graphics are excellent (a bit bright) in the snow but that's easily fixed. Trying on Normal settings at the moment im going to do a hell of a lot of reading,Watching vids and Free flight until i can Master full Realism. (Which is how i really want to play this sim)

 

My practice take-offs are getting better,i haven,t  tried landing yet   Im just going to play with the graphic settings to get my "Look" right.

Thanks to Everyone once again that took their time out to reply to my questions..Ive a lot to learn yet in this sim but i honestly believe that im going to have fun doing so. And that,s what it,s all about.

Thanks Guys :Adger

You can adjust the gamma settings which I did. Brought them right down.

[Adger]

1 minute ago, seafireliv said:

You can adjust the gamma settings which I did. Brought them right down.

 

Thanks Seafireliv..took them down to 0.8 i believe,still a little bright its no problem il turn it down in my monitor aswell.

Thanks Pal

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, Adger said:

Initial thoughts are really good,Track Ir setup with no fuss at all,also the Joystick after a few settings made seems perfect.

 

Graphics are excellent (a bit bright) in the snow but that's easily fixed. Trying on Normal settings at the moment im going to do a hell of a lot of reading,Watching vids and Free flight until i can Master full Realism. (Which is how i really want to play this sim)

 

My practice take-offs are getting better,i haven,t  tried landing yet   Im just going to play with the graphic settings to get my "Look" right.

Thanks to Everyone once again that took their time out to reply to my questions..Ive a lot to learn yet in this sim but i honestly believe that im going to have fun doing so. And that,s what it,s all about.

Thanks Guys :Adger

Let it grow on you. It´l take some time. Full realism needs time. Start whatever setting your comfortable with and then increase realism notch per notch. Be patient and get used and focussed to a single plane first (Me 109 F) then get in a few flighing hours. Learning full realism takes time. Don´t expect to master this sim in weeks, It´l take you months.

[Haza]

Adger,

 

I should read all of the thread before I went and did some impulsive things. 

 

I had just purchased BOS premium and was about to gift it to you when I noticed that you have mentioned that  you have purchased it.  Therefore, feeling pity for you 'POMS (an old friend of mine is from Stoke) and so you do get something from me, I've now purchased BOM Standard Edition as well and would be happy to gift you that instead if you haven't already in your excitement bought it?

 

I have purchased it via the IL2 store and as such I'm not sure with the whole steam interaction etc, but hopefully this is a minor issue that some of the more knowledgeable guys could assist you with and advise before you accept.  That said, I will hold onto BOM for you until you can clarify how it will work or whether you do want it.

 

However, I've noticed that you mentioned your Mum in your previous post, therefore, if you are under 16 yrs please ensure that she is aware as I wouldn't want here thinking some old world Aussie convict sent here on a ship is doing something wrong. That said you mention, the C64 as well and my first home computer (family) was a Commodore 64 way back in 1982/3 ish (that long ago can't remember), so not sure if they are the same computer!!

 

Regards

 

 

Edited April 7, 2018 by Haza

[Adger]

31 minutes ago, Haza said:

Adger,

 

I should read all of the thread before I went and did some impulsive things. 

 

I had just purchased BOS premium and was about to gift it to you when I noticed that you have mentioned that  you have purchased it.  Therefore, feeling pity for you 'POMS (an old friend of mine is from Stoke) and so you do get something from me, I've now purchased BOM Standard Edition as well and would be happy to gift you that instead if you haven't already in your excitement bought it?

 

I have purchased it via the IL2 store and as such I'm not sure with the whole steam interaction etc, but hopefully this is a minor issue that some of the more knowledgeable guys could assist you with and advise before you accept.  That said, I will hold onto BOM for you until you can clarify how it will work or whether you do want it.

 

However, I've noticed that you mentioned your Mum in your previous post, therefore, if you are under 16 yrs please ensure that she is aware as I wouldn't want here thinking some old world Aussie convict sent here on a ship is doing something wrong. That said you mention, the C64 as well and my first home computer (family) was a Commodore 64 way back in 1982/3 ish (that long ago can't remember), so not sure if they are the same computer!!

 

Regards

 

 

 

Haza wow what a brilliant generous offer,Im 46 pal with 2 kids of my own haha. My mum didn,t know what to get me for Christmas so i asked for a Steam gift card.

 

Yes me and my 12yr old are massive Stoke fans..im loving BOS,id love BOM would you like anything in return? I believe i can activate the keys here its all integrated.

 

yep the C64 was indeed by Commodore loved Gunship,Silent service in fact all the Microprose sims with there brilliant manuals.

 

Where from Stoke is your old friend from Haza?

Edited April 7, 2018 by Adger