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While the damage model is certainly fantastic I always feel like there is something missing when I see crashing plane slide against the runway or getting peppered with bullets. I think what the damage model is missing is some spark effects when parts get ripped off, scrape a surface or get hit with bullets.

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There's a lot of snow out there, acts as a buffer. I don't know how much sparking you expect there but even with the best attempts to clean the runway it will still have a compacted snow cover. This is 1942, middle of winter in Russia, and snow clearing techniques weren't nearly as capable as today. Salt wouldn't work in the temperatures the Russian winter faced.

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There's a lot of snow out there, acts as a buffer. I don't know how much sparking you expect there but even with the best attempts to clean the runway it will still have a compacted snow cover. This is 1942, middle of winter in Russia, and snow clearing techniques weren't nearly as capable as today. Salt wouldn't work in the temperatures the Russian winter faced.

 

Technically, using salt to create a freezing point depression effect would be effective as long as ambient was within ~17C of freezing (~20% w/v NaCl). With evaporative loss and wind chill factor, not to mention logistics, this was probably not something the sovs did very often during the deepest winter storms, or at night. However, the battle for Stalingrad covers Aug - Feb '42-'43. Temperatures are quite variable during this period. Most sources seem to say that the lowest daily temperatures in Stalingrad were quite above -20C for most of the battle, reaching -30C only in December. The graph is for lowest daily temps during battle of Moscow '41, the famous 250-year coldest winter. The Stalingrad temps are from battlefield reports. In other words, salt might have been used in the daytime, logistics permitting, when ice was encountered on runways. Whether, in actuality, it was, I do not know. However, it is not out of the realm of possibility nor even of probability.

 

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29.11 South-West Front – continuous cloudiness, occasional snowfall, temperature +3°C

30.11 Stalingrad Front – cloudiness at low and medium heights, 1000-1500 meters, temperature 0°C. Drifting of ice on Volga.

1.12 Stalingrad Front – cloudiness at low and medium heights, temperature °C.

3.12 Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature °C

4.12 Stalingrad Front – continuous low cloudiness, slight wind, temperature °C

5.12 Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, wet snow, temperature from 0 to -2°C

6.12 Stalingrad Front – continuous low cloudiness, slight rain with snow, temperature from 0 to +2°C

7.12 Staligrad Front - continuous low cloudiness, temperature from -2 to -5°C

8.12 Stalingrad Front – low cloudiness, snowfall and rain, temperature from 0 to -2°C

9.12 Stalingrad Front - continuous low cloudiness, temperature from 0 to -2°C

10.12 Stalingrad Front – cloudiness 2-4 points, north-west wind 4-7 m/s, temperaturefrom -5 to -8°C

11.12 Don Front – cloudiness 4-8 points, temperature from -6 to -9°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature -6°C

12.12 Don Front – cloudiness 2 points, temperature from -3 to -4 °C. Stalingrad Front – cloudiness 2 points, temperature from -2 to -5°C

13.12 Don Front - clear, temperature from -3 to -8°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature from 0 to -3°C

14.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from +1 to -1°C. Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature 0 to +2°C

15.12 Don Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature from +2 to -2°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature +2°C

16.12 Don Front – cloudiness up to 10 points, occasional fog, temperature -5°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness, temperature - 7°C

17.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -13 to -18°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature -12°C

18.12 Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature from -8 to -10°C

19.12 Don Front – cloudiness 6-10 points, temperature from -4 to -10°C. Stalingrad Front – cloudiness 8 points at 1000-1500 meters, temperature from -6 to -8°C

20.12 Don Front – cloudiness 7-10 points, temperature from -5 to -9°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous cloudiness at 1000-1500 meters, temperature from -3 to -6°C

21.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -6 to -15°C. Stalingrad Front – cloudy, temperature -5°C

22.12 Stalingrad Front – low clouds, temperature -2°C

23.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, snowfall, temperature from -1 to -6°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous low cloudiness, temperature -3°C

24.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, fog, temperature from -3 to -5°C. Stalingrad Front – continuous low cloudiness, occasional slight snowfall, temperature from -3 to -6°C

25.12 Don Front – cloudiness 6-10 points, clear in some places, temperature from -13 to -20°C. Stalingrad Front – cloudiness diminishing to completely clear sky, temperature -6°C

26.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -15 to -19°C. Don Front – clear, temperature from -11 to -17°C

27.12 Don Front – cloudiness 5-7 points, temperature from -13 to -21°C. Stalingrad – diminishing cloudiness, temperature from -12 to -4°C

28.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -11 to -20°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, from -6 to -8°C

29.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -10 to -19°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature -10°C

30.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -8 to -14°C. Stalingrad Front – on the northern sector continuous cloudiness, temperature from -10 to -12°C. On the southern sector – clear, temperature from -1 to -2°C

31.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, occasional snowfall, temperature from -4 to -5°C. Stalingrad Front – clear, temperature from -6 to -8°C

1.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -2 to -5°C

2.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from +2 to -2°C

3.1 Don Front – cloudiness 9-10 points, temperature from -2 to -6°C

4.1 Don Front – cloudiness 5-10 points, temperature from -6 to -11°C

5.1 Don Front – cloudiness 3-5 points, temperature from -10 to -18°C

6.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, occasional snowfall, temperature from -10 to -17°C

7.1 Don Front – cloudiness 5-10 points, haze, temperature from -6 to -12°C

8.1 Don Front – cloudiness 8-10 points, blizzards in some places, temperature from 0 to -3°C

9.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, fog, temperature from -3 to -6°C

10.1 Don Front – cloudiness 7-10 points, temperature from -2 to -5°C

11.1 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -1 to -7°C

12.1 Don Front – cloudiness 3-10 points, snowfall in places, temperature from -10 to -19°C

13.1 Don Front – cloudiness 8-10 points, temperature from -10 to -18°C

14.1 Don Front – cloudiness 9-10 points, occasional snowfall, temperature from -16 to -25°C

15.12 Don Front - clear, temperature from -23 to -28°C

16.12 Don Front - clear, temperature from -22 to -32°C

17.12 Don Front – clear, temperature -20°C

18.12 Don Front – clear, temperature from -17 to -28°C

19.12 Don Front - cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -10 to -19°C

20.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -1 to -14°C

21.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, temperature from -8 to -13°C

22.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, occasional snowfall, temperature from -6 to -13°C

23.12 Don Front – cloudiness 10 points, slight snowfall, haze, temperature from -11 to -20°C

24.1 Don Front – low cloudiness, temperature from 0 to -7°C

25.1 Don Front – clear, temperature from -19 to -25°C

26.1 Don Front – clear, temperature from -13 to -20°C

27.1 Don Front – clear, slight snowfall, occasional fog, temperature from -16 to -27°C

28.1 Don Front – clear, temperature from -14 to -28°C

29.1 Don Front – cloudiness 9-10 points, temperature from -13 to -23°C

30.1 Don Front – cloudiness 9-10 points, temperature from -12 to -24°C

31.1 Don Front – temperature from -5 to -18°C

1.2 Don Front – cloudiness 6-10 points, occasionally clear, temperature from -13 to -22°C

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Salt was ineffective here two snow storms ago, the temperature remained at betwen 15 and 20 F for five days. There was a layer of compacted snow and ice with salt on top of it.

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There's a lot of snow out there, acts as a buffer. I don't know how much sparking you expect there but even with the best attempts to clean the runway it will still have a compacted snow cover. This is 1942, middle of winter in Russia, and snow clearing techniques weren't nearly as capable as today. Salt wouldn't work in the temperatures the Russian winter faced.

Do we know if the sim is modeling ice & snow on the runways? Well I doubt snow as I don't recall seeing any tracks on runways.

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Does it model the properties of it? No, not yet anyway. There have been tracks on the runway in the past. Maybe it depends on the runway, there are definitely snowy runway surfaces.

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Depends on the concentration of salt. Snow adds water which lowers the concentration and thus raises the freezing point.

 

Salt was ineffective here two snow storms ago, the temperature remained at betwen 15 and 20 F for five days. There was a layer of compacted snow and ice with salt on top of it.

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Considering the ice that would normally be on the runway, there would not be enough friction to cause much heating. But spark effects for bullets would be a warm welcome.

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