So, what do you think of the G-6?

[6./ZG26_Custard]

I'm surprised at the lack of discussion regarding community views of the G-6, particularly now that we have this famous  bird to fly. Of course, the main thing that stands out (for me) is the truly devastating  firepower. The G-6 along with the E-7 are hands down my favourites  of the 109 variants.

 

 

Edit: Still prefer the 110 though  

 

 

  

Edited March 20, 2018 by 6./ZG26_Custard
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[Voidhunger]

I love it, improved handling, firepower, better engine sound and its beauty. I dont want to fly different 109 now.

Only cons is lack of speed at low and mid height which is when the fights in the career mode are.

[Blooddawn1942]

It became my definite favorite of the given Gustav's. 

Beside of the devastating firepower I really like these ugly bumps. I always had a fable for the ugly ones. Warthog or Skyraider any one? 

[Finkeren]

I pretty much think it was discussed to death before the update.

 

In the end it turns out, that it flies like a 109 and its new armament packs significantly more punch as expected, so everyone’s happy.

 

What’s to discuss?

[303_Kwiatek]

Lests hope some day she would get 3 minutes emergency power like it was historically insted only 1 minute emergency power. 109 G-6 should be better at least at high alt then LA5FN above 6 km but looking how fast is La5FN even at high alt i really dont see it. In old Il2 days G6 could compete La5FN in fight at high level even if it was underdog at low alt.

Edited March 20, 2018 by 303_Kwiatek

[JaffaCake]

I believe we don't get the version with boost? (Did it exist on the eastern front?). Boost would likely be the edge g6 needs against 5-fn

[Finkeren]

3 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

I believe we don't get the version with boost? (Did it exist on the eastern front?). Boost would likely be the edge g6 needs against 5-fn

 

To the extent that MW50 was installed on the G6 it was done from late spring 1944 - not in 1943. There has been some indication from the devs, that they want to add the MW50 and the Erla Haube later when BoBP content starts to appear.

[Dutchvdm]

7 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

I believe we don't get the version with boost? (Did it exist on the eastern front?). Boost would likely be the edge g6 needs against 5-fn

 

I believe there was a quote from BlackSix saying they might do a revisited version of the G6 for Bodenplatte. With MW50/GM-1 Erlahaube etc.  

 

1 minute ago, Finkeren said:

 

To the extent that MW50 was installed on the G6 it was done from late spring 1944 - not in 1943. There has been some indication from the devs, that they want to add the MW50 and the Erla Haube later when BoBP content starts to appear.

 

Damn you're fast!! 

 

Grt M

Edited March 20, 2018 by I./ZG1_Martijnvdm

[Finkeren]

33 minutes ago, 303_Kwiatek said:

 109 G-6 should be better at least at high alt then LA5FN above 6 km but looking how fast is La5FN even at high alt i really dont see it. In old Il2 days G6 could compete La5FN in fight at high level even if it was underdog at low alt.

 

The G6 is absolutely better above 3000m, as is any 109 beyond the E7/F2.

[303_Kwiatek]

18 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

The G6 is absolutely better above 3000m, as is any 109 beyond the E7/F2.

 

Some make speed test and wrote that La5FN is even faster at 6 km then 109 G-4.

26 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

I believe we don't get the version with boost? (Did it exist on the eastern front?). Boost would likely be the edge g6 needs against 5-fn

 

G-6 like G-4 got emergency power but only for 1 minute in game. There were historical photos of 109 F-4, and G version which got pointed on RPM and Ata guage 3 minutes emergency power not only 1 minute.

Edited March 20, 2018 by 303_Kwiatek

[6./ZG26_Custard]

1 hour ago, Finkeren said:

I pretty much think it was discussed to death before the update.

 

In the end it turns out, that it flies like a 109 and its new armament packs significantly more punch as expected, so everyone’s happy.

 

What’s to discuss?

Most of the discussion prior to release was conjecture,  wild speculation and wishlists. Now it's actually out no one seems to be discussing it. I'm surprised that you of all people wouldn't have something to say about it? 

[CrazyDuck]

I hate it!!

 

Being primarily an IL-2 pilot, these G-6s are something completely different than previous versions. Those were almost cute and tickly in their attempts to "bite" with their tiny puny "teeth" - now the G-6 on the other hand packs real jaws, capable of ripping your wing clean off before you even know he's around!

[Jizzo]

Slightly heavier, slower and a little less climby than the previous Gustavs.

 

Tremendously increased firepower with the MK108 installed.

 

PR-16 is nice to have, especially on bad weather missions.

 

Other than that it flies exactly like the other G's and there really is nothing special about it.

 

I like the bulges and it is my favourite 109, due to the firepower finally being increased to 1943 standards.

 

 

[FTC_Riksen]

Yup. Like Jizzo said

[RAY-EU]

Since the begining La 5 has been for years in this sim the La5 FN in terms of historically performance ...

Now La5 FN may be is the La 7 ...?

 

bf 109 G6 does not out turn the La5 FN in the Sim , but Historically yes !

 

The historical emergency power of the Bf 109 F , G is more than  3 minutes .

 

Has been alwasys 1 minute in the Sim

 

the Bf 109 has no trim in the sim ?.The bf 109 F G Historically could dive at speeds of 950 km/h ...

Edited March 20, 2018 by RAY-EU

[Wolfram-Harms]

For the sheer flying, I prefer the G-2 or G-4, as they are lighter and feel like they accelerate better.

But if you need to intercept IL-2 or Pe-2 or A-20, nothing can do the job as quickly as the 30 mm cannon.

 

As for "emergency power" - you all should perfom some testing with 100%, 90%, 85%, and 80% throttle.
Maybe you can fly "emergency power" a bit longer with throttle not on full power, like it is on the Focke-Wulf?

Must try it out.

[303_Kwiatek]

It should be emergency at 1.42 Ata for 3 minutes ( 100%) for historical accuracy.

 

For comparison LA5FN got easly 10 minutes boost instead 5 minutes.

Edited March 20, 2018 by 303_Kwiatek

[Lemon]

my impression

4 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Custard said:

I'm surprised at the lack of discussion regarding community views of the G-6, particularly now that we have this famous  bird to fly. Of course, the main thing that stands out (for me) is the truly devastating  firepower. The G-6 along with the E-7 are hands down my favourites  of the 109 variants.

 

 

Edit: Still prefer the 110 though  

 

 

  

i m impressed how devastating 30mm is , i can make bombers wings off now lol .

but after few sorties with it, getting back in my old F4 make me feel lot faster and agile

[MrNoice]

1 hour ago, 303_Kwiatek said:

It should be emergency at 1.42 Ata for 3 minutes ( 100%) for historical accuracy.

 

For comparison LA5FN got easly 10 minutes boost instead 5 minutes.

yeah I complained  aswell but it will never get changed i guess . I also dont like that after the exeed the engine is instand dead and not just oil and power lose. it was great in 1946 though. after that you had no power to engage everything but could make it home if flying with 10-30% Power

Edited March 20, 2018 by KG_S_MrFies

[Aap]

From flying point of view it seems to be the worst Bf109 so far, which is further underlined by improved soviet fighters of the time.

From firepower point of view it is way better than the previous 109's - not only the Mk108, but also the MG's make a big difference. 

Can feel how German priority in aerial warfare had shifted from air superiority to bomber interception.

Edited March 20, 2018 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Panthera]

1 minute ago, II./JG77_Kemp said:

From flying point of view it seems to be the worst Bf109 so far, which is further underlined by improved soviet fighters of the time.

From firepower point of view it is way better than the previous 109's - not only the Mk108, but also the MG's make a big difference. 

Can feel how German priority in aerial warfare had started to shift from air superiority to bomber interception.

 

Well things would improve massively, to say the least, once MW50 arrived

[Barnacles]

1 hour ago, 303_Kwiatek said:

It should be emergency at 1.42 Ata for 3 minutes ( 100%) for historical accuracy.

 

For comparison LA5FN got easly 10 minutes boost instead 5 minutes.

It seems that way. The later war DB605 manuals that Kurfurst provided just say something like "use ermergency power minimally when necessary" which seems to have been interpreted as 3 mins, like in FW190.

 

I love the G6 by the way, I think even the 13mm are worth the very small and hardly noticable decrease in performance. I'd rather have a clean G6 v a G4 with gunpods, and I think in those configurations; the G6 performs better.

Hopefully, the devs will implement the detonation simulation, or some similar higher fidelity simulation of engine damage, so the current system of engine damage after limits exceeded can be dispensed with.

 

[Finkeren]

17 minutes ago, Panthera said:

 

Well things would improve massively, to say the least, once MW50 arrived

 

Even though it was installed on occasion, the MW 50 was never common on the G6. 

[Panthera]

8 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

Even though it was installed on occasion, the MW 50 was never common on the G6. 

 

MW50 was introduced in early 44, and from then on became standard in G6 production IIRC.  Boosting performance to 1,775 hp this would put it ahead of the La-5FN in everything but low level speed & roll rate. 

 

 

[Finkeren]

I’ve never heard that the MW 50 was standard on the G6 except from you, what is your source for that?

 

It was of course standard on the G-14 and built into the design in a much more practical way that did away with the pressurized air bottles.

[Danziger]

It's my favourite 109. Love the increased firepower. 

[Panthera]

32 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

I’ve never heard that the MW 50 was standard on the G6 except from you, what is your source for that?

 

It was of course standard on the G-14 and built into the design in a much more practical way that did away with the pressurized air bottles.

 

There was a discussion on the issue over at Axishistory.com, and here it was claimed that MW50 was std. with the G6/AS by early 44. The G14 didn't arrive until July 44.

[CastorTroy]

5 hours ago, Finkeren said:

I pretty much think it was discussed to death before the update.

 

In the end it turns out, that it flies like a 109 and its new armament packs significantly more punch as expected, so everyone’s happy.

 

What’s to discuss?

Maybe discuss now that it has been released to fly, as the discussions prior were speculative with no flight time in the model?

[Solmyr]

I was very surprised to love her. I didn't really give it some hard times, but so far I love her behaviour. And, of course, her firepower.

[sniperton]

I did the same and had the same number of the same with the same impression

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

I love it. Very powerful armament. I still prefer 20mm against fighters just because it has a lot more ammo and packs enough punch and im not really good at shooting down fighters with that low velocity 30mm yet. Tested 2x13mm, 2x20mm and 1x30mm loadout against Pe-2's and Sturmoviks in QMB and its insane killing machine 

[sevenless]

4 hours ago, Panthera said:

 

There was a discussion on the issue over at Axishistory.com, and here it was claimed that MW50 was std. with the G6/AS by early 44. The G14 didn't arrive until July 44.

Maybe this helps a little:

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=112432

 

G6 and G6/AS had different engines and in principle were different planes for different tactical roles.

 

 

 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

I'm not used to such a sluggish 109.  I didn't run any tests, just leveling out after quick battles on the Kuban map; and down low I'm getting about the same speed with the Yak7b as I get with the G6 on combat power.  (Around 510 IAS if reading dials correctly)

Edited March 20, 2018 by hrafnkolbrandr

[Panthera]

@sevenless

 

Yes, the G6/AS were said to be equipped with MW50 as std. from April 1944. 

Edited March 20, 2018 by Panthera

[sevenless]

6 minutes ago, Panthera said:

@sevenless

 

Yes, the G6/AS were said to be equipped with MW50 as std. from April 1944. 

 

Right,

 

because they were supposed to fly high altitude top cover for the bomber killing FW 190s and ME 109 "Kanonenboote" and needed the additional performance to fulfill their tactical role. At least that is my understanding of the matter why first the AS versions of the 109s were fitted with the MW50 system. 

[Panthera]

8 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Right,

 

because they were supposed to fly high altitude top cover for the bomber killing FW 190s and ME 109 "Kanonenboote" and needed the additional performance to fulfill their tactical role. At least that is my understanding of the matter why first the AS versions of the 109s were fitted with the MW50 system. 

 

The AS version was also supposedly fitted with a DB603 supercharger for improved high altitude performance. 

[Finkeren]

Even if you are right Panthera, and the MW50 was standard on Bf 109G6/AS, that has no bearing on “our” G6, which is not an “AS”.

 

What is your reasoning behind the claim, that MW50 was standard on the regular G6 in 1944?

[Panthera]

27 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

Even if you are right Panthera, and the MW50 was standard on Bf 109G6/AS, that has no bearing on “our” G6, which is not an “AS”.

 

What is your reasoning behind the claim, that MW50 was standard on the regular G6 in 1944?

 

Well the G6/AS is a G6, and as I was telling Kemp it addressed the performance gap up to the La-5FN. In short I wasn't talking about the 1943 variant we have for Kuban.

 

My "claim", which really wasn't any such thing, was that MW50 became std. with the introduction of the G6/AS, which AFAIK was the sole G6 variant produced from march 44(?) on until the G14. In other words AFAIK 109's produced from then on came with MW50 as standard.

Edited March 20, 2018 by Panthera

[Finkeren]

16 minutes ago, Panthera said:

 

Well the G6/AS is a G6, and as I was telling Kemp it addressed the performance gap up to the La-5FN. In short I wasn't talking about the 1943 variant we have for Kuban.

 

My "claim", which really wasn't any such thing, was that MW50 became std. with the introduction of the G6/AS, which AFAIK was the sole G6 variant produced from march 44(?) on until the G14. In other words AFAIK 109's produced from then on came with MW50 as standard.

 

I’ve never heard, that the installation of the larger supercharger on the DB605AS was done as a response to the La-5FN. The impact of the new supercharger is only really noticable at high altitude. Are you sure you aren’t thinking of the MW50 itself, which increased power output at lower altitudes significantly?

 

Everything I’ve read about the Bf 109G6/AS states, that in addition to being an uncommon variant in itself (I never heard that it completely replaced the regular G6 on the production line) the combined installation of the larger supercharger together with the MW50 (creating the engine designated DB605ASM) was even more rare and only existed in “very limited numbers”.

 

What sources do you have that makes you convinced, that this combination was common or even standard?

 

[blitze]

You know what, I haven't flown her yet.

 

Seem to be doing fine with the G2 and G4 in my Early Kuban Campaign knocking A20's and Il2's out of the sky.  The A20's are a lot more daunting as they fly faster and have many broom sticks pointing out of it shooting things at me.

 

Learning to be very economising with the 20mm canon and MG on the 109.  Also not bothering to finish off a plane if I have engine black smoking as I know it has limited life anyway so why waste the ammo.  I will have to take the G6 up but would prefer it in campaign as that is where real strengths can be checked.  QMB is just not the same but for pleasure flight, maybe a good idea when I see the squad getting them later on in life.

 

Weird thing in Campaign is my plane gets listed as G2 but I have the G4 Emergency Power.  Initially I didn't but now I do, would they have field modded the G2's to G4 spec?