P-39 aka Lincoln Towncar?

[Royal_Flight]

 

10 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

Well, he obvioulsy thinks of me as an absolute Imbecile, how else could he think of me as this Ignorant? 

 

How indeed?

[Original_Uwe]

This bird is so much damn fun I cant even right now.

[Luftschiff]

It is such a quirky little bird that it's shot straight to the top of my list of favourite VVS aircraft. I've never been one for top performers, I much prefer personality (those .50's certainly help, though)

[Stryker07]

From what I understand from primarily the air corps instruction videos, and some from reading pilot accounts, that a regular spin was easy to recover from in the P-39. A flat spin was a different story. A flat spin being the result of not releasing back pressure soon enough when entering a regular spin. 

[56RAF_Roblex]

 

49 minutes ago, Stryker07 said:

A flat spin being the result of not releasing back pressure soon enough when entering a regular spin. 

 

According to the official manual,  you are supposed to *hold* the stick back at first!   I can only guess that holding the stick back helps keep it oscillating because the only way to exit a smooth flat spin is to try to force an oscillation using the elevators.  I don't think we have that modelled though.   I spun it twice.  In the first I tried full power, nose down, opposite rudder and it refused to recover.  In the second I tried throttle OFF, nose down & opposite rudder and it recovered within one or two turns.

 

 

Edited March 17, 2018 by 56RAF_Roblex

[Stryker07]

 

@56RAF_Roblex  You are correct sir, I was mistaken. Must have gotten it mixed up in my memory. This video says the same thing with some visualization. I stand corrected. 

[Porkins]

I also really like the P-39. It handles wonderfully, has good roll, excellent armament, and has one of the best looking cockpits in the game. Seriously, the cockpit looks more like something from the early 1950's than 40's. 

[56RAF_Roblex]

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You are correct sir, I was mistaken. Must have gotten it mixed up in my memory. This video says the same thing with some visualization. I stand corrected

 

No need to apologise.   I have never flown anything in real life that wanted you to hold back the stick in a spin. I found another WW2 P-39 video that also said to apply rudder *with* the spin at the same time then switch to opposite rudder when you switch to forward stick.   I think the P-39 was just unusual.  I did fly something once that was prone to flat spins and the onlyway to get out was to alternate forward & backward stick to 'rock'' it to get the nose to dip far enough to get some airflow over the T-tail though even then they recommended just jumping if it ever spun :-)

[GridiroN]

So after flying pretty much only the P39 since release, with a few daliances here and there in the La5FN and Yak-7 (which I may do a video on. Very peculiar aircraft) I find the P39 well mannered. I am somewhat disappointed it's climb rate and speed are so poor given it's tech specs list them as competitive with other airframes, but nevertheless, it's a very fun aircraft. I don't know how they recorded a TAS of 600kph. Even on emergency power, I can't seem to get it close to 525 IAS and most other planes have TAS of similar values but much higher IAS's. 

 

I've noticed it really punishes bad piloting. I also haven't met a 109 pilot willing to engage it without an extreme advantage. The few who did opted to charge me in the face, which is the dumbest possible move and they both died quickly, lol. 

 

In fact, given how strong Russia's new dogfight game is with the upgunned Yak-7, La5FN, and P39, I've noticed a massive upswing in the luftwanaut program.  I only played 1 match in the past 3 days where German fighters were found below 5K.

Edited March 18, 2018 by GridiroN

[Panthera]

Really like the P-39 too, it's very responsive at speed and flies incredibly smooth. Only thing to look out for is the stall.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Power off, spin recovery is easy and requires very little effort. Gone is the propensity to flip into a counter-spin which was one of the old Il-2 issues that cost a lot of P-39s.

[Venturi]

Acceleration is dismal so make sure you keep it fast.

(even though power loading is on par with 2000hp Hellcat)

Otherwise I too find it an excellent aircraft.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

3 hours ago, GridiroN said:

I am somewhat disappointed it's climb rate and speed are so poor given it's tech specs list them as competitive with other airframes, but nevertheless, it's a very fun aircraft. I don't know how they recorded a TAS of 600kph. Even on emergency power, I can't seem to get it close to 525 IAS and most other planes have TAS of similar values but much higher IAS's.

 

If you use the optimal radiator settings (60% for water and 45% for oil, least drag positions) you will manage to get to the listed speeds in the respective engine modes. In the Kuban autumn map, going at 4000 meters at 490 km/h IAS is 600 km/h TAS.

 

This is the speed chart from my tests I posted in another P-39 thread

 

 

 

 

[GridiroN]

44 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

 

If you use the optimal radiator settings (60% for water and 45% for oil, least drag positions) you will manage to get to the listed speeds in the respective engine modes. In the Kuban autumn map, going at 4000 meters at 490 km/h IAS is 600 km/h TAS.

 

This is the speed chart from my tests I posted in another P-39 thread

 

 

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Thanks for the knowledge. I've been using 40/40 though. Doesn't seem to get past 270mph even on 2min emerg. Ill have to re-test

Edited March 18, 2018 by GridiroN

[III/JG2Gustav05]

maybe its not relating to the performance of P39, but mostly to do with AI algorithm, I tried G6 to fight P39 in quick mission,  it happens several time that P39s get engine toasted with black smoke coming out when they try to do spiral climb with my G6.