Jetseat working with BOS (sound mode)

[TWHYata_PL]

I'm looking for Visualizer plugin/solutions which will listen in game sounds... will share when find out but in my case mid tones doing work here, and that should work also for you I think.. 

 

Edit : this option in properities can help for better separation + enabling virtual suround https://imgur.com/a/mVkmt in enhacement

Edited March 30, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[Wolf8312]

Well I'm giving up on it for now it's taking up too much of my time!

[Wolf8312]

On 31/03/2018 at 1:09 AM, TWHYata_PL said:

I'm looking for Visualizer plugin/solutions which will listen in game sounds... will share when find out but in my case mid tones doing work here, and that should work also for you I think.. 

 

Edit : this option in properities can help for better separation + enabling virtual suround https://imgur.com/a/mVkmt in enhacement

 

You dont happen to have an APO profile for the equalizer settings you are using do you?

[TWHYata_PL]

1 hour ago, Wolf8312 said:

ou dont happen to have an APO profile for the equalizer settings you are using do you?

What is APO ?

 

Yesterday I modified my Equalizer to seperate even more gun effects. I also realized that the engines and weapons in IL 2 are different in planes and not every profile is perfect

  Try this one : 

Edited April 1, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[Wolf8312]

Strange thing I've noticed is that gun sounds do not seem to affect the vibrations of my seat even when they are sounds that are coming from the game menu. However other sounds like bombs seem to vibrate convincingly.

 

APO is an equalizer software that I thought you recommended. Someone did anyway and I downloaded it. Works better than the other one but I still cant get good seperation. I'm buying a better external sound card and a spliter any way, as this one I am using is horribly cheap so maybe that will help.

Can I ask you a few questions just to be clear?

 

The jetseat receiver should be plugged into what? My headphones, my external sound card, or my computers sound card?

 

Does this sound right?

 

My headphones are connected by 3mm jack to my jetseats receiver 

 

My external sound card is connected to my computer by USB

This external sound card is connected to my jetseat using the jetseat 3mm jack (connected to the 'front out' receiver on the X sound card).

 

Audio settings in steam VR are set to- 'set playback device to USB sound device' which is my external sound card.

 

Mirror to audio device is set to realtek digital output (RT high definition audio) This is because my headphones are not connected to my realtek HD audio receiver but the JS. Seems to work however.

 

When steam VR is exited playback device is USB sound device.

Does that all sound about right?

Edited April 1, 2018 by Wolf8312

[TWHYata_PL]

2 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

The jetseat receiver should be plugged into what? My headphones, my external sound card, or my computers sound card?

 

Depends which card gives you better SQ ( sound quality). My external USB DAC which is highend device is for audiophiles headphone. Internal realtec integrated with mobo is connected ONLY to jetseat. Steam Vr app mirroring my DAC sound to realtec analog headphone output extend to front PC case and there I plug jeatseat. I’m playing only VR games so I don't need other sound duplication  way. 

Based what I read in your post you are doing this mirror a bit weird way becouse your EQ is affecting your game sounds and noices. That is not correct. I’m equalizing only my jetseat.(realtec headphone output)

Do you have Realtec mobo software instaled in you system ? There is equazlizer in package, at least for asrock mobos. Send me some photos with your sound devices backplate and current connection to jetseat. Meybe I can help you when I see all posibilities you have.

Edited April 1, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[ICDP]

Does the Jetseat (or the Forcefeel) give noticeable vibrations in BOX when you push an aircraft close to a stall?  I am using FF G940 joystick for stall warning effects and I cannot play without FF now.  I have a Warthog as well but am only using the throttle but if the Jetseat gave stall warning I would get one and retire the G940.

[Wolf8312]

9 hours ago, TWHYata_PL said:

Depends which card gives you better SQ ( sound quality). My external USB DAC which is highend device is for audiophiles headphone. Internal realtec integrated with mobo is connected ONLY to jetseat. Steam Vr app mirroring my DAC sound to realtec analog headphone output extend to front PC case and there I plug jeatseat. I’m playing only VR games so I don't need other sound duplication  way. 

Based what I read in your post you are doing this mirror a bit weird way becouse your EQ is affecting your game sounds and noices. That is not correct. I’m equalizing only my jetseat.(realtec headphone output)

Do you have Realtec mobo software instaled in you system ? There is equazlizer in package, at least for asrock mobos. Send me some photos with your sound devices backplate and current connection to jetseat. Meybe I can help you when I see all posibilities you have.

 

Ah right makes more sense that the sound would be running seperate from the vibrations as otherwise why use two sound cards! Well I've got it working with just vibrations again. Jet seat connected to the external sound card (using two wires at the moment) and my headphones connected to my computer. Playback device is realtek audio, mirror is set to Xternal sound card. Will send a photo later when I get more time.

 

Edited April 2, 2018 by Wolf8312

[Wolf8312]

11 hours ago, TWHYata_PL said:

What is APO ?

 

Yesterday I modified my Equalizer to seperate even more gun effects. I also realized that the engines and weapons in IL 2 are different in planes and not every profile is perfect

  Try this one : 

 

The only trouble with that graphic EQ you are showing me is that I cant really see what amount in Db each of the sliders is set to, or whether it is minus or plus. So for example the first one 31 and the last one 16 K. Is the 16k set to 0 Db? 

I am using this one in the attachment provided, which can go up to 100, or minus 100. So not sure what to do to set it as yours is! Sorry about this, I'm completely ignorant of my computers sound settings!

Edited April 2, 2018 by Wolf8312

[Wolf8312]

To be clear the soundcard is connected to the jetseats receiver, but I have not connected the jetseats 3mm jack to anything.

 

Above ^ The jetseat is connected to the soundcard by a double headed 3mm jack line. It is connected to the external sound cards 'front out' receiver. 

 

 

 

And here are the steam VR settings

 

Edited April 2, 2018 by Wolf8312

[TWHYata_PL]

This is my connetion, I did also experiment and connected to back plate of my realtec (5.1)but it didnt work. Second way which works is Vive headphone output. So I guess heaphones have all frequency range an you can proprly set EQ.

[TWHYata_PL]

I dont understand your connection based your picture sorry. I dont understand why you connected DAC to sound card ?! Your dac must have USB in and you should connect it by usb port to your PC. What green cables doas connected mic in/ou in realtek ? seems to be to complicaded and that is why you spending too munch time for this EQ stuff

 

Regarding my EQ in middle of scale I have 0 db

Edited April 2, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[Wolf8312]

17 minutes ago, TWHYata_PL said:

I dont understand your connection based your picture sorry. I dont understand why you connected DAC to sound card ?! Your dac must have USB in and you should connect it by usb port to your PC. What green cables doas connected mic in/ou in realtek ? seems to be to complicaded and that is why you spending too munch time for this EQ stuff

 

Regarding my EQ in middle of scale I have 0 db

 

Assuming DAC is external sound card, it is indeed connected to my PC by a USB cable. I'm kinda confused by what you are saying because theres the external sound card (DAC?) and my PC's sound card. The external sound card (black box) is connected to my jetseat only. This external sound card is also connected to my PC by USB. And my headphones (green wires) are connected to my realtek PC sound Card and mic input.

 

Yeah I know it's driving me mad! I've tried a thousand different combinations! I guess the worst thing is that I dont really grasp the concept of what I am trying to do. I assume that sound needs to be played through one device (headphones) and the jetseat through another, so I can alter one without it affecting the other, but I cant seem to make it work. I guess I will go back and try using headphones on the VIVE again next because I think I remember that was the cominination in which the equalizer did not affect the rumble!

 

Sigh!

 

[TWHYata_PL]

2 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

Assuming DAC is external sound card, it is indeed connected to my PC by a USB cable. I'm kinda confused by what you are saying because theres the external sound card (DAC?) and my PC's sound card. The external sound card (black box) is connected to my jetseat only. This external sound card is also connected to my PC by USB. And my headphones (green wires) are connected to my realtek PC sound Card and mic input.

 Now I get it. So green wires coming to headphones. Have you tryed revers way ? assuming that your Realtek have some dedicated headphone output to connect jetseat like mine at front PC case.

This is my USB dac and I’m using it to drive tubeamp + headphones. 

Device which give you better SQ leave for in game sounds, YT, music... Probably your DAC sounds also better than Realtek.

I hope you will  find a solutions which give you separation effects , not only constant rumble, but for now I feel cant help more..

[TWHYata_PL]

18 hours ago, ICDP said:

 

 

 

Sorry I missed your post.I set gametrix sound mode for engine and weapons only. Probaly there is a EQ way to separate wind (stal effect) but probably you have to silence engines as they are constanly more or less vibrating. That is not what I like.. Usb mode with G-effects would be perfect for „near stall” but it’s not working with IL2

Edited April 2, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[JG7_X-Man]

@Wolf8312, I to have a question! Why would you run your DAC+AMP through your sound card? It's the exact same thing. 

 

My issue is that my DAC+AMP Fiio E10 is connected to my JetSeat and Headphones though the  Sounddblaster Zx - but I can't get the JetSeat to hear what the Headphones are hearing without connecting the headphones through the seat - by passing the amp that came with Sounddblaster Zx.

 

I think I might have to just use the Sounddblaster Zx amp so I can play with the EQ settings like TWHYata_PL has shown above.

On 3/30/2018 at 1:09 PM, TWHYata_PL said:

I'm looking for Visualizer plugin/solutions which will listen in game sounds... will share when find out but in my case mid tones doing work here, and that should work also for you I think.. 

 

Edit : this option in properities can help for better separation + enabling virtual suround https://imgur.com/a/mVkmt in enhacement

 

Dude! Please show me how to do this? Can I use the EQ settngs with the SoundBlaster Pro Studio?

My Dream for now would be to run the Jetseat through the equalizer and headphones through the onboard sound but how do I get the game sound through both Grrr!

[Wolf8312]

45 minutes ago, JG7_X_Man said:

@Wolf8312, I to have a question! Why would you run your DAC+AMP through your sound card? It's the exact same thing. 

 

My issue is that my DAC+AMP Fiio E10 is connected to my JetSeat and Headphones though the  Sounddblaster Zx - but I can't get the JetSeat to hear what the Headphones are hearing without connecting the headphones through the seat - by passing the amp that came with Sounddblaster Zx.

 

I think I might have to just use the Sounddblaster Zx amp so I can play with the EQ settings like TWHYata_PL has shown above.

 

Dude! Please show me how to do this? Can I use the EQ settngs with the SoundBlaster Pro Studio?

My Dream for now would be to run the Jetseat through the equalizer and headphones through the onboard sound but how do I get the game sound through both Grrr!

 

 

I didnt even know I was running my DAC amp through my sound card I thought I was supposed to be using one card for the seat and the other for the jetseat! If you know what I should be doing please explain it!

[JG7_X-Man]

On 4/2/2018 at 8:33 AM, Wolf8312 said:

 

Assuming DAC is external sound card, it is indeed connected to my PC by a USB cable. I'm kinda confused by what you are saying because theres the external sound card (DAC?) and my PC's sound card. The external sound card (black box) is connected to my jetseat only. This external sound card is also connected to my PC by USB. And my headphones (green wires) are connected to my realtek PC sound Card and mic input.

 

Yeah I know it's driving me mad! I've tried a thousand different combinations! I guess the worst thing is that I dont really grasp the concept of what I am trying to do. I assume that sound needs to be played through one device (headphones) and the jetseat through another, so I can alter one without it affecting the other, but I cant seem to make it work. I guess I will go back and try using headphones on the VIVE again next because I think I remember that was the cominination in which the equalizer did not affect the rumble!

 

Sigh!

 

Per 56RAF_Talisman - he was a great help with  getting Sound Mode to work

 

1.  Plug in JetSeat to electric power wall socket and turn on. This doesn't have the cool EQ settings TWHYata_PL has found though - stay tuned for that.

 

2.  Connect JetSeat USB plug to PC.

 

3.  Connect JetSeat jack plug (male) to your PC green line-out hole.  (Note that I also plug my headset green jack plug into the same hole, so I use a splitter (double socket) to allow me to plug 2 x jack plugs in at the same time.  If you have a headset that only needs a USB socket, then you will not need a splitter.)

 

4.  Turn the JetSeat 'ON' using the switch on the JetSeat power control box and turn the control dial to 'HIGH'. 

 

5.  Under your PC's Application list, select 'Gametrix JetSeat', then select 'JetSeat Control Panel'.  With your mouse, select 'SOUND' mode and click on APPLY (don't select USB mode).  Click on 'Test' and test the electric motors work.  I then turn off the JetSeat using the switch on the JetSeat power control box.

 

6.  Start BoX flight sim and when in aircraft cockpit, turn the JetSeat 'ON' using the switch on the JetSeat power control box.

 

7.  Start your aircraft engines and you should start to feel the rumble!

 

Note: Since your sound card and DAC do the same thing - I think we have the same issue. How to use separate devices to listen to the same thing. My DAC+AMP is USB but I cannot get the game sound to duplicate on the DAC+AMP which is plugged into my onboard soundcard running Realtech. While my headphones are connected via creative labs soundblaster Zx.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2018 by JG7_X_Man

[JG7_X-Man]

On 4/1/2018 at 2:27 PM, TWHYata_PL said:

What is APO ?

 

Yesterday I modified my Equalizer to seperate even more gun effects. I also realized that the engines and weapons in IL 2 are different in planes and not every profile is perfect

  Try this one : 

 

Thanks TWHYata_PL! What we need are the actual setting for each level - Thanks!

[Wolf8312]

3 hours ago, JG7_X_Man said:

Per 56RAF_Talisman - he was a great help with  getting Sound Mode to work

 

1.  Plug in JetSeat to electric power wall socket and turn on. This doesn't have the cool EQ settings TWHYata_PL has found though - stay tuned for that.

 

2.  Connect JetSeat USB plug to PC.

 

3.  Connect JetSeat jack plug (male) to your PC green line-out hole.  (Note that I also plug my headset green jack plug into the same hole, so I use a splitter (double socket) to allow me to plug 2 x jack plugs in at the same time.  If you have a headset that only needs a USB socket, then you will not need a splitter.)

 

4.  Turn the JetSeat 'ON' using the switch on the JetSeat power control box and turn the control dial to 'HIGH'. 

 

5.  Under your PC's Application list, select 'Gametrix JetSeat', then select 'JetSeat Control Panel'.  With your mouse, select 'SOUND' mode and click on APPLY (don't select USB mode).  Click on 'Test' and test the electric motors work.  I then turn off the JetSeat using the switch on the JetSeat power control box.

 

6.  Start BoX flight sim and when in aircraft cockpit, turn the JetSeat 'ON' using the switch on the JetSeat power control box.

 

7.  Start your aircraft engines and you should start to feel the rumble!

 

Note: Since your sound card and DAC do the same thing - I think we have the same issue. How to use separate devices to listen to the same thing. My DAC+AMP is USB but I cannot get the game sound to duplicate on the DAC+AMP which is plugged into my onboard soundcard running Realtech. While my headphones are connected via creative labs soundblaster Zx.

 

 

 

 

Yeah I can get it working bud, it works very well and in terms of engine is better than DCS really cause it feels more powerful. I just cant really work out how to seperate and filter the different sounds. Yesterday I managed to filter and feel only the guns by having the engines basically off, and though this was a rather weak feeling it was definately working, but it wouldnt feel like much if the engines were on. It's hard to know without trying another persons setup for yourself how it works in comparison to your own.

 

To be honest I dont care about guns, that will be a tall order with sound if you want a good full thrust feeling. All I want to know is how to have the throttle work properly when going from low to high. That would be enough. I have a new DAC or amp now but still cant get my head round what I should do, and your right a photo of the graphic EQ is no help without the actual values one should use as all EQ's are different. It would also help to know exactly which sliders work for which sounds, or at least for the main ones such as the throttle. 

 

 

 

[TWHYata_PL]

On 30.03.2018 at 6:30 PM, Wolf8312 said:

 

11 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

I was supposed to be using one card for the seat and the other for the jetseat!

 

@JG7_X_Man and @Wolf8312

 

Guys

 

One more time I will try to tell you what should work - but it's not easy for me as I'm not a native English speaker. 

 

1) We need 2 sound devices , can be sound cards, internal motherboard sound device, DAC or HMD (VR) internal DAC

2) 1 card or DAC for game sounds , 2nd card or HMD connected to  Gametrix Audio connector nr 3 in manual (this is in my case becouse I have to use 1m mini jack audio cable extension)

3) pls download any Equalizer (EQ) - might be APO or Realtek

4) now is important - becouse if you missed that a,b,c steps you will have constant rumble instead of the vibrating power control (well, that happend in my system)

a) game sound ( IL2 menu) please set at 45~50 % of volume

b) gametrix controller knob also set ~50 % of regulator

c) your 2nd sound device which should be connected to gametrix please set volume at 60 % https://imgur.com/a/mVkmt 

5) set EQ as I did but resolut may vary between devices we have , what I observe in my system is that : amplifying 31 frq low tones - express bombs, 62~125 cannon and guns, medium tones correspond to engines (tested on Spitfire V and LAGG 5 NF) . So If we want guns strong rumble effect over engine vibration we have to add dB , try also use virtual surround option.. If we want to control only engine and don't care about guns effect than well IMHO we don't need to do any EQ for that, just set loudness - a/b/c steps mentioned at point 5

6 ) please mirror/duplicate game audio to be played in 2 devices at once ( via stam vr app or in widows sound system )

 

 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[JG7_X-Man]

@TWHYata_PL

 

Thank you very much for your help - Also - can you use the guide below to give us the exact numbers that you added into your EQ. Please use the guide below:

 

Example: 31 - =10dB, 62 - +25dB, 125 - +25dB...

 

Example:

[JG7_X-Man]

OK - After a a few I got the setup I initially wanted to work.

 

@56RAF_Talisman, @TWHYata_PL and @Wolf8312 Thanks for for your help guys!

 

1. Plug in Headphones into FiiO e10 DAC+AMP and set to default device

2. Plug Gametrix-908 Jet Seat into Creative Lab Soundblaster Zx sound card ( to use the used Creative Studio EQ to play around with settings)

 

I followed the steps TWHYata_PL gave above and set my Headphones to playback through the Gametrix-908 Jet Seat ( I went as far as renaming the devices Headphones and Gametrix Jet Seat to keep it simple). There are other YouTube videos out there on how setup playback via Stereo Mix.

 

No matter what I did - I couldn't boost the Gametrix Jet Seat feedback with the SB software to the levels that remotely reached the DAC+AMP with zero effort (it literally was plug and play).

 

Thus, the best results (for my hardware setup) was simply connecting the Headphones + Gametrix Jet Seat and  into the DAC+AMP directly.

 

Setting the game sounds to 50% gave my ears leeway run up the DAC+AMP to higher levels which obviously gave more juice to the Headphones + Gametrix Jet Seat combo. The guns sounded amazing and the engine rpm changes were noticeable - but not as pronounced as I would like.

 

Just the sound alone was spectacular with the DAC+AMP by itself and much better than the soundcard. However, I will spend a few hours this weekend trying to recreate the wind effect in the hanger at game start with the SB software (i.e. - pure game, no fake digitized sound). If I can do this - I will see about running the Jet Seat through the DAC+AMP and the Headphones to get the extra umph from the DAC+AMP. If this is unsuccessful - I am sending the soundcard back to Amazon.

 

Hope this help you @Wolf8312

 

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by JG7_X_Man

[Wolf8312]

8 hours ago, JG7_X_Man said:

OK - After a a few I got the setup I initially wanted to work.

 

@56RAF_Talisman, @TWHYata_PL and @Wolf8312 Thanks for for your help guys!

 

1. Plug in Headphones into FiiO e10 DAC+AMP and set to default device

2. Plug Gametrix-908 Jet Seat into Creative Lab Soundblaster Zx sound card ( to use the used Creative Studio EQ to play around with settings)

 

I followed the steps TWHYata_PL gave above and set my Headphones to playback through the Gametrix-908 Jet Seat ( I went as far as renaming the devices Headphones and Gametrix Jet Seat to keep it simple). There are other YouTube videos out there on how setup playback via Stereo Mix.

 

No matter what I did - I couldn't boost the Gametrix Jet Seat feedback with the SB software to the levels that remotely reached the DAC+AMP with zero effort (it literally was plug and play).

 

Thus, the best results (for my hardware setup) was simply connecting the Headphones + Gametrix Jet Seat and  into the DAC+AMP directly.

 

Setting the game sounds to 50% gave my ears leeway run up the DAC+AMP to higher levels which obviously gave more juice to the Headphones + Gametrix Jet Seat combo. The guns sounded amazing and the engine rpm changes were noticeable - but not as pronounced as I would like.

 

Just the sound alone was spectacular with the DAC+AMP by itself and much better than the soundcard. However, I will spend a few hours this weekend trying to recreate the wind effect in the hanger at game start with the SB software (i.e. - pure game, no fake digitized sound). If I can do this - I will see about running the Jet Seat through the DAC+AMP and the Headphones to get the extra umph from the DAC+AMP. If this is unsuccessful - I am sending the soundcard back to Amazon.

 

Hope this help you @Wolf8312

 

 

 

I have it kinda working now, guns are now very noticible which is great, but like you I can't get the engine rpm working properly. At the moment I have headphones in DAC (or I think its a DAC) and jetseat in my main computer. Is this a DAC? (digital to audio converter?), because it's what I'm using anyway! 

http://iconproaudio.com/product/upod-nano/

 

[TWHYata_PL]

@JG7_X_Man

 

Now I'm using this one : 

 

center of the scale is 0 , so low tones got bumps rest tones below 0 , I don't know values as this graphic EQ don't show that

Anyway this one is more uniwersal to seperate all of type engines from guns. Before I tested mostly on Spitfire 5 with merlin engine.

[Wolf8312]

1 hour ago, TWHYata_PL said:

@JG7_X_Man

 

Now I'm using this one : 

 

center of the scale is 0 , so low tones got bumps rest tones below 0 , I don't know values as this graphic EQ don't show that

Anyway this one is more uniwersal to seperate all of type engines from guns. Before I tested mostly on Spitfire 5 with merlin engine.

 

If the center is 0 it may be that the bottom is around -20 as it was on the EQ I was using before. So for example 62 as shown above, would be 20 dcb, and 16k would be -20 perhaps. Will give it a try anyway thanks again for all your help!

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by Wolf8312

[TWHYata_PL]

1 hour ago, Wolf8312 said:

 

If the center is 0 it may be that the bottom is around -20 as it was on the EQ I was using before. So for example 62 as shown above, would be 20 dcb, and 16k would be -20 perhaps. Will give it a try anyway thanks again for all your help!

 

I would go even deeper with some values but my EQ do not allow that

Edited April 6, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[Wolf8312]

Well then I think you would like APO it goes all the way down and up to 100! But to be honest when you go past 20 either way things start to get bad, or the jetseat will just switch off!

[JG7_X-Man]

I tell you want though! After flying a mission with this thing for 45 mins - I am exhausted! LOL too much shaking and vibrating - too much like the real thing (.. OK that may be a stretch) 

[TWHYata_PL]

Just found out that when in game volume is to loud than all what you can achive is very close to constant rumble. The most noticable differences I achived when in game sound is between 16~25% of the scale. RPMs & guns difference is very intense now.

Edited December 9, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[AGVoodoo5]

I have a ButtKicker transducer that I use with SSA in DCS. Can I possibly get it to react in IL2? If so...how?

Thanks

 

[JG7_X-Man]

On 12/24/2018 at 1:03 PM, AGVoodoo5 said:

I have a ButtKicker transducer that I use with SSA in DCS. Can I possibly get it to react in IL2? If so...how?

Thanks

 

 

Not with the SSA software. IL-2 doesn't pass anything to 3rd party apps real time.

[J5_HellCat_]

On 12/24/2018 at 1:03 PM, AGVoodoo5 said:

I have a ButtKicker transducer that I use with SSA in DCS. Can I possibly get it to react in IL2? If so...how?

Thanks

 

 

You can use it in sound mode like we are doing with the jet seat....I've been using voicemeeter banana to send the sound to my Arctis 7's  and jetseat .....the jetseat is plugged into my onboard sound out

 

https://www.vb-audio.com/Voicemeeter/banana.htm

Edited January 6, 2019 by HellCat_