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Hello Everybody,

 

I'm very grateful to you for the fast help in search of information about US 9th Air Force and now our next task is to find missing data about the some Luftwaffe Gruppen.

 

1) Airfields and dates - completed

 

I./JG 2 - completed

Aug 25, 1944 - St. Trond

Sep 4, 1944 - Mar 31, 1945 - Merzhausen

 

II./JG 2 - completed

Sep 4, 1944 - Frankfurt-Eschborn

Sep 25, 1944 - Mar 31, 1945 - Nidda

 

III./JG 2 - completed

Aug 25, 1944 - Königsberg/Neumark (near Schweinfurt)

Oct 19, 1944 - Dec 15, 1944 - Altenstadt

Dec 15, 1944 - Mar 31, 1945 - Ettinghausen (9. and 10. moved back Altenstadt on Dec 25, 1944)

 

I./JG 6 - completed

Dec 17, 1944 - Jan 5, 1945: Delmenhorst

 

II./JG 6 - completed

Sep 5, 1944 - Oct 15, 1944 - Eudenbach

Oct 15, 1944 - Dec 10, 1944 - Hagenau

Dec 10, 1944 - Jan 5, 1945 - 5. and 8. - Quackenbruck, 6. and 7. - Vechta

Jan 5, 1945 - moved to the Eastern front

 

IV./JG 54 - completed. 

Sep 18, 1944 - Plantlünne

Oct 7, 1944 - Mörtitz

Nov 19, 1944 - Münster-Handorf

Nov 21, 1944 - Vörden

Jan 15, 1945 - Gardelegen

Feb 12, 1945 - redesignated to II./JG7

 

III./JG 300 - completed.

Sep 17, 1944 - Bonn-Hangelar

Sep 18, 1944 - Dortmund

Sep 28, 1944 - Jüterbog

 

2) About Kommando Nowotny - completed

I read that after Walter Nowotny death the last combat sortie was committed on November 17, 1944, Gruppe was disbanded and then redesignated III./JG7 at Lechfeld on Nov 19. Do you have more accurate and reliable information about the date of the last sortie and the disbanding of this Gruppe?

 

Oct 7, 1944 was the first combat sortie.

Nov 8, 1944 was the unit's last combat sortie.

 

3) About re-equipping with Bf 109 K-4:

Do you have any information, could II./JG 27 and IV./JG 27 be re-equipped with Bf 109 K-4 after January 1, 1945?

 

4) About Transport units - completed

I know from the book "Transporter vol.2 Lutwaffe Transport Units 1943-1945" that there was TGr 30 (He 111 H-16 and H-20) but we can't use this unit.

Also, II./TG 3 and III./TG 4 took part in the operation "Stosser" due operation Wacht am Rhine but there are no any dates and airfields for these units. Do you have any info about them?

 

II./TG 3

Dec 8, 1944 - Dec 29, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29, 1944 - left front

 

Transportgruppe Brambach (ex III./TG 4)

Dec 9, 1944 - Dec 29, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29, 1944 - left front

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About Kommando Nowotny:

I read that after Walter Nowotny death the last combat sortie was committed on November 17, 1944, Gruppe was disbanded and then redesignated III./JG7 at Lechfeld on Nov 19. Do you have more accurate and reliable information about the date of the last sortie and the disbanding of this Gruppe?

 

Per Green Hearts: First in Combat with the Dora-9:

 

In spite of its continuation of operational activities in the afternoon [of November 8], the death of Major Walter Nowotny put an end to the story of Kommando Nowotny. After the losses of 8 November and those of earlier missions, General der Jadgdflieger Galland, who witnessed the crash at Achmer, realized that his ambitious plan to form a Me 262 demonstration unit in a short time was not realizable....Galland [ordered] the detachment back to Lechfeld for "retraining." Major Erich Hohagen became the detachment's new Kommandeur. Eleven days later, on 19 November, Kommando Nowotny was renamed III./JG 7.

 

The book JG 7 by Manfred Boehme also confirms that 8 November was the unit's last combat sortie:

 

The death of the Kommandeur was the tragic finale to operations by Kommando Nowotny. In view of the catastrophic losses the General der Jagdflieger could no longer avoid the conclusion that the initial attempt to employ the new weapon in a larger field had failed.

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According to "Jagdgeschwader 300 Wilde Sau - Volume 2" III./JG 300 was transfered from Jüterbog to Bonn-Hangelar on September 17 1944 touching down only at 7:10 p.m. in the evening. The first mission was flown in conjunction with (most likely) II./JG 6 and I./JG 3 on September 18 1944 at 3:30 p.m. That evening (6:20 p.m.) the Gruppe was transfered to Dortmund where it would operate from until September 28 1944 when its remains were transfered back to Jüterbog (where they remained for the time being). With I./JG 300 going to Borkheide and II.(Sturm)/JG 300 to Löbnitz a posting to Biblis or Darmstadt for the October timeframe cannot be substantiated. Apparently the Geschwader spent most of October's second half "digesting" the influx of new aircraft, pilots and the new IV. Gruppe (ex I./ZG 76). In general it seems as if JG 300 remained in the general region SW of Berlin from this time on being engaged in combatting 8th and 15th USAAF attacks. Apart from III./JG 300's September stint during "Market Garden" the Geschwader operated far outside the map's borders.

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Per Green Hearts: First in Combat with the Dora-9:

The book JG 7 by Manfred Boehme also confirms that 8 November was the unit's last combat sortie:

Thanks Luke! I've this book JG 7 by Manfred Boehme but I couldn't make a final conclusion about the date of the last combat sortie.

So, it will be on Nov 8, 1944

 

Also, please check PM, I've sent you another two books about JG 7. Please, try to help me to decide on their first combat sortie - Oct 7, 1944 or early.

According to "Jagdgeschwader 300 Wilde Sau - Volume 2" III./JG 300 was transfered from Jüterbog to Bonn-Hangelar on September 17 1944 touching down only at 7:10 p.m. in the evening. The first mission was flown in conjunction with (most likely) II./JG 6 and I./JG 3 on September 18 1944 at 3:30 p.m. That evening (6:20 p.m.) the Gruppe was transfered to Dortmund where it would operate from until September 28 1944 when its remains were transfered back to Jüterbog (where they remained for the time being). With I./JG 300 going to Borkheide and II.(Sturm)/JG 300 to Löbnitz a posting to Biblis or Darmstadt for the October timeframe cannot be substantiated. Apparently the Geschwader spent most of October's second half "digesting" the influx of new aircraft, pilots and the new IV. Gruppe (ex I./ZG 76). In general it seems as if JG 300 remained in the general region SW of Berlin from this time on being engaged in combatting 8th and 15th USAAF attacks. Apart from III./JG 300's September stint during "Market Garden" the Geschwader operated far outside the map's borders.

Thank you very much! So, we've next dates:

 

III./JG 300

Sep 17, 1944 - Bonn-Hangelar

Sep 18, 1944 - Dortmund

Sep 28, 1944 - Jüterbog

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III./JG27 was equipped with Bf 109 K4 which task was to attack Brussels-Melsbroek Airfield. 

Source: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Jagdgeschwader/JG27-R.htm

 

Also parts of IV./JG27 were equipped with Bf 109 K4s as well.

Source: "Hans Ring/Werner Girbig, Chronik Jagdgeschwader 27, Motorbuch Verlag, 2012, Page 306"

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III./JG27 was equipped with Bf 109 K4 which task was to attack Brussels-Melsbroek Airfield. 

Source: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Jagdgeschwader/JG27-R.htm

 

Also parts of IV./JG27 were equipped with Bf 109 K4s as well.

Source: "Hans Ring/Werner Girbig, Chronik Jagdgeschwader 27, Motorbuch Verlag, 2012, Page 306"

Hello! Yes, we know from the book "Bodenplatte: The Luftwaffe's Last Hope" that I. and III./JG27 had Bf 109 K-4s

Bodenplatte.jpg

 

But I want to find info about II./JG 27 and IV./JG 27 after January 1, 1945

I've found your book "Hans Ring/Werner Girbig, Chronik Jagdgeschwader 27, Motorbuch Verlag, 1971" but I can't read on German, would you tell me when IV./JG 27 were equipped with Bf 109 K4s if it's written there?

 

Also I've checked Kagero Miniatury Lotnicze JG 27 Vol IV and Osprey - Aviation Elite Units 012 - Jagdgeschwader 27 'Africa' but there is no such info...

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Page 306:

 

"Am frühen Morgen des 1. Januar erfolgt die Einsatzbesprechung, bei der rund 60 Flugzeugführer der IV./JG 27 zugegen sind. Der Gruppe stehen am 1.1.45 etwa 55 Messerschmitt zur Verfügung, von denen jedoch nur 35 als einsatzklar an der >>Bodenplatte<< teilnehmen werden. Es ist jetzt kurz vor 8.00 Uhr. >>Angriff erfolgt etwa gegen 9.20 Uhr<<, erklärt der Kommandeur. >>Die Gruppe teilt sich in vier Formationen, die jeweils vier Angriffe fliegen werden. Ziel: Flugplatz Brüssel-Melsbroek<<

Gegen 8.30 Uhr starten die Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-10 und K4 von der Graspiste des Einsatzhorstes Achmer, eine als Lotsenmaschine dienende Ju 88 wird sie anschließend auf den vorgeschriebenen Kurs führen. Gleich nach dem Start geht es im Tiefflug in Richtung Westen. Die holländische Stadt Utrecht ist der Wendepunkt, an dem die Gruppe ihren Kurs nach Süden ändert. Hauptmann Dudeck findet den Platz Melsbroek ohne Schwierigkeiten und kann bereits dort unten Brände beobachten, die von den Angriffen der zuerst gestarteten I. und II./JG 27 herrühren müssen."

 

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"In the morning of January the 1st the briefing was done, where 60 pilots of IV./JG27 took part. The group had 55 Messerschmitt available on 1.1.45 which 35 were operational that could take part in Operation Bodenplatte. It's shortly before 8:00am “The attack will commence at 9:20” the Kommandeur explained.  The group is split in four formations, each of them will fly four attacks. The Target: Airfield Brussels-Melsbroek.
Around 8:30am Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-10 and K-4 started of the grass field of the Airfield Achmer, a guiding Ju-88 will lead them to the planned course. Shortly after takeoff they fly at low altitude to west. The Dutch city Utrecht as turning point where the group must change its course to south. Hauptmann Dudeck finds the Airfield Melsroek without any problems and sees the fires caused by the attacks from the I. and II./JG27 before."
 

The authors speak about I., II. and IV/JG27 but not about III./JG27 at all which had clearly Bf 109K4s. But I don't think III. and IV/JG27 flew that attack together, also the amount of planes they were speaking about could be only one entire group and not two. What I am saying is that the entire text they speak is about the IV./JG27 only.

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BlackSix, on 17 Feb 2018 - 21:15, said:

Hello Everybody,
I'm very grateful to you for the fast help in search of information about US 9th Air Force and now our next task is to find missing data about the some Luftwaffe Gruppen.
3) About re-equipping with Bf 109 K-4:
Do you have any information, could II./JG 27 and IV./JG 27 be re-equipped with Bf 109 K-4 after January 1, 1945?
 
As per OKL, Lw.-Führüngstab, Nr. 937/45 gKdos.(op) 20.03.45, II. as of March 1945 II. / JG 27 is listed with G-10s, and is to receive K-4s nachschubmäßig, "via supplies" which may be translated either "as reinforcements" or "as deliver permit".
 
II. Looking through known losses of 109K-4s for II and IV JG 27 shows 27 K-4s lost/damaged with these units, all but one with IV. Gruppe though:
 
K-4 WNr 330298 was lost 21 Nov 1944 in accident (II / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 330361 was lost 22 Feb 1945 during landing (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 330415 was lost 22 Feb 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27) (but was reported as a G-10, Werknummer is a give away)
K-4 WNr 330415 was lost 19 March 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 330917 was damaged 02 November 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 331486 was lost 22 Feburary 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332592 was damaged 19 March 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332630 was damaged 13 February 1945 during takeoff t (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332637 was lost 22 January 1945 in air combat (II / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332797 was damaged 02 March 1945 due to pilot error (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332822 was lost 19 March 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332847 was lost 19 March 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332860 was lost 02 March 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332863 was damaged 19 March 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332931 was lost 25 February 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332945 was lost 02 March 1945 to unknown cause (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332946 was damaged 20% 25 February 1945 due to pilot error (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332946 was damaged 20% 25 February 1945 due to pilot error (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 332947 was damaged 15% 08 March 1945 in emergency landing (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 334121 was damaged 15% 19 March 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 334126 was lost 19 March 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 334134 was lost 02 March 1945 in accident (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 334144 was lost 02 February 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 334158 was lost 21 March 1945 in bombing (IV / JG 27)
K-4 WNr 334163 was lost 25 February 1945 in bombing (IV / JG 27)
Two other K-4s were lost with IV / JG 27 but Werknummer is unknown, one lost  in air combat on March 19 1945, the other had an engine failure on 1 Jan 1945 and was damaged.
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"In the morning of January the 1st the briefing was done, where 60 pilots of IV./JG27 took part. The group had 55 Messerschmitt available on 1.1.45 which 35 were operational that could take part in Operation Bodenplatte. It's shortly before 8:00am “The attack will commence at 9:20” the Kommandeur explained.  The group is split in four formations, each of them will fly four attacks. The Target: Airfield Brussels-Melsbroek.

Around 8:30am Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-10 and K-4 started of the grass field of the Airfield Achmer, a guiding Ju-88 will lead them to the planned course. Shortly after takeoff they fly at low altitude to west. The Dutch city Utrecht as turning point where the group must change its course to south. Hauptmann Dudeck finds the Airfield Melsroek without any problems and sees the fires caused by the attacks from the I. and II./JG27 before."
 

The authors speak about I., II. and IV/JG27 but not about III./JG27 at all which had clearly Bf 109K4s. But I don't think III. and IV/JG27 flew that attack together, also the amount of planes they were speaking about could be only one entire group and not two. What I am saying is that the entire text they speak is about the IV./JG27 only.

Only IV./JG 27 from whole Geschwader was based at Achmer at this time, so I think the authors may speak only about IV./JG 27, you're right, thanks!

 

 

BlackSix, on 17 Feb 2018 - 21:15, said:

Hello Everybody,
I'm very grateful to you for the fast help in search of information about US 9th Air Force and now our next task is to find missing data about the some Luftwaffe Gruppen.
3) About re-equipping with Bf 109 K-4:

Do you have any information, could II./JG 27 and IV./JG 27 be re-equipped with Bf 109 K-4 after January 1, 1945?

 
As per OKL, Lw.-Führüngstab, Nr. 937/45 gKdos.(op) 20.03.45, II. as of March 1945 II. / JG 27 is listed with G-10s, and is to receive K-4s nachschubmäßig, "via supplies" which may be translated either "as reinforcements" or "as deliver permit".
 
II. Looking through known losses of 109K-4s for II and IV JG 27 shows 27 K-4s lost/damaged with these units, all but one with IV. Gruppe though:
...

Thank you!

 

So, what are your recommendations for the career?

 

My variant is:

II./JG 27 will have only Bf 109 G-14 till April, 1945

IV./JG 27 will have Bf 109 G-14 and Bf 109 K-4 (from Nov 18, 1944 when this Gruppe relocated at Achmer)

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Thanks Luke! I've this book JG 7 by Manfred Boehme but I couldn't make a final conclusion about the date of the last combat sortie.

So, it will be on Nov 8, 1944  

 

Also, please check PM, I've sent you another two books about JG 7. Please, try to help me to decide on their first combat sortie - Oct 7, 1944 or early.

 

Yes, Manfred Boehme lists October 7th as the first day operational sorties were flown. Green Hearts by Alex Urbanke also confirms this. So, the correct operational dates for Kommando Nowotny are 7 October 1944 - 8 November 1944.

 

As for III./JG 7, their first missions were flown on 2 December 1944, when at least 9./JG 7 was operational, flying from Parchim.

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K-4 WNr 330415 was lost 22 Feb 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27) (but was reported as a G-10, Werknummer is a give away)

K-4 WNr 330415 was lost 19 March 1945 in air combat (IV / JG 27)

 

 

Same WNr lost a month apart???

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JG 27 VOL IV by Marek J Murawski {Kagero} (in Polish and English)

 

has some chapters on late 44- 45

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

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4) About Transport units:

I know from the book "Transporter vol.2 Lutwaffe Transport Units 1943-1945" that there was TGr 30 (He 111 H-16 and H-20) but we can't use this unit.

Also, II./TG 3 and III./TG 4 took part in the operation "Stosser" due operation Wacht am Rhine but there are no any dates and airfields for these units. Do you have any info about them?

 

This is what I was able to dig up:

 

First, II./TG 3:

 

From The Last Year of the Luftwaffe: May 1944 to May 1945: 

 

On the evening of the 16th [of December] the cloud lifted sufficiently for the planned drop by German paratroops to go ahead. Sixty-eight Junkers Ju 52s from II. Gruppe Transportgeschwader 3 and Transportgruppe Brambach took off from Paderborn and Lippspringe, carrying the 870 paratroops and their equipment.

 

(TG Brambach possibly seems to be III./TG 4, see below)

 

From Lower Silesia From Nazi Germany To Communist Poland 1942-49:

 

The encirclement meant that Breslau was cut off from its supply of raw materials and from its reserves of munitions...The responsibility for this undertaking was in the hands of the 2nd Group of Transportgeschwader 3 which had performed a similar task while Budapest was under siege months earlier. On a representative day, 22 March, the fleet of forty Ju-52s and twenty-five He 111s delivered 44.45 tons of supplies to Breslau's Gandau airport.

 

From here:

 

1944

I. Gruppe bei der Luftflotte 1 in Nord- und Mittelrußland, II. und III. Gruppe bei der Luftflotte 4 und die IV. Gruppe in Goslar zur Umrüstung auf die SM 82.

 

1945

I. Gruppe in Kottbus, II. Gruppe in Fürstenwalde und III. Gruppe in Papa.

 

While it covers I./TG 3, there may be some useful info here.

 

III./TG 4:

 

Im August 1944 wurde zudem eine 17. Staffel aus der Seetransportstaffel 1 gebildet. Die I. und II. Gruppe wurde zusammen mit dem Stab im Oktober 1944 aufgelöst.

 

1944

Anfang des Jahres Stab mit II. Gruppe beim Luftwaffenkommando Südost, die I. Gruppe in Jena-Rödigen, die III. Gruppe in Würzburg zur Auffrischung und die IV. Gruppe in Frankreich.

 

III. Gruppe

Gruppenkommandeure

Mai 1943 Major Herbert Heyer

1944 Hauptmann Wenning

1944 Hauptmann Jakobs

24. Oktober 1944 Hauptmann Hans-Hermann Brambach

 

(From http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Transportgeschwader/Transportgeschwader4.htm)

 

This page says TG was disbanded in October 1944, so the proper name of III./TG 4 may indeed be Transportgruppe Brambach (although, the lexikon-der-Wehrmacht link above says it was just the Stab., I., and II. Gruppen that disbanded)Brambach was the commander of the Erg.-Transportgruppe from 22.7.1944 - 2.10.1944, see here.

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So, based on that, it seems the two Ju 52 groups were flying from Paderborn and Lippspringe at the time of Bodenplatte, and that the correct name for III./TG 4 was Transportgruppe Brambach. 

 

Ah, and I found some more info from this research paper here! http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a284495.pdf

 

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So, further thoughts:

 

II./TG 3:

  • We know they were at Paderborn / Lippspringe by December 1944.
  • We know they took part in the Siege of Budapest, which took place from Dec 29, 1944 – Feb 13, 1945.
  • We also know they took part in the Siege of Breslau, which took place from 13 February 1945 - May 1945.
  • We also know they were in Fürstenwalde at some point in 1945.
  • They were also assigned to Luftflotte 4 in 1945, near Pressburg (Bratislava).

So, a proposed airfield timeline for them would be:

 

Moves to Paderborn / Lippspringe 8/9 December 1944

Pressburg region: 29 December 1944 - 13 February 1945

Fürstenwalde: 13/14 February 1945 - 1 April 1945

Güstrow: 2 April 1945

 

III./TG 4 / TG Brambach:

 

They were at Würzburg at some point in 1944. Records seem to indicate that at least Stab., I. Gruppe, and II. Gruppe disbanded around 20 October 1944. We know Brambach came to III./TG 4 on the 24th of October and seems to have remained with the unit til war's end. Later, in seems they were a part of Operation Stosser. I would suggest something like this, then:

  • III./TG 4 at Würzburg until 23 October 1944
  • Becomes Transportgruppe Brambach on 24 October 1944
  • Moves to Paderborn / Lippspringe 8/9 December 1944.

After that, it's anyone's guess.

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Another reference from German Air Force Airlift Operations:

 

The 2nd Group, 3rd Air Transport Wing, under the command of Major Baumann, and an additional air transport group, organized under the command of Captain Brambach, were the air transport units assigned to the operation...

 

The 2nd Group, 3rd Air Transport Wing, under Major Baumann, had thirty-two Ju-52s; the Air Transport Group Brambach had thirty-five Ju-52s...As might be expected, in view of the period at which the action took place, the condition of the aircraft themselves was fairly poor. Many of them had not been completely (or even partially) overhauled for a long time and both motors and fuselages showed evidence of wear and tear. Taking this factor into consideration, the speed for the approach flight was limited to between 105 and 112 miles per hour.

 

On the whole, the level of competence of the crews belonging to the 2nd Group, 3rd Air Transport Wing, was good...The training standard of the Brambach group was considerably poorer...

 

The air transport units were alerted to readiness on 7 December, and on 8 and 9 December they moved, by squadron, to the airfields Paderborn, Bad Lippspringe...

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Thanks Luke!

 

II./TG 3

Dec 8, 1944 - Dec 29, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29, 1944 - left front

 

Transportgruppe Brambach

Dec 9, 1944 - Dec 29???, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29???, 1944 - left front

 

I'm afraid we won't be able to find info and write a history for this unit and Transportgruppe Brambach will be AI unit

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More good info here on Ju 52 operations in the last months of the war: http://www.afhra.af.mil/Portals/16/documents/Studies/151-200/AFD-090519-045.pdf . Confirms the info from  German Air Force Airlift Operations and states that units were flying from Mainz and then Klein-Welzheim after the fall of Paris. Also lists II./TG 3 as being at Güstrow as of 25 April 1945.

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Thanks Luke!

 

II./TG 3

Dec 8, 1944 - Dec 29, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29, 1944 - left front

 

Transportgruppe Brambach

Dec 9, 1944 - Dec 29???, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29???, 1944 - left front

 

I'm afraid we won't be able to find info and write a history for this unit and Transportgruppe Brambach will be AI unit

 

Sounds reasonable to me. :soldier:

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Confirms the info from  German Air Force Airlift Operations and states that units were flying from Mainz and then Klein-Welzheim after the fall of Paris. Also lists II./TG 3 as being at Güstrow as of 25 April 1945.

Luke, did you mean this text about 30 TGr or you find some info about II./TG 3 at Mainz? Because Mainz is on our map and we can use this airfield if there was based II./TG 3

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Luke, did you mean this text about 30 TGr or you find some info about II./TG 3 at Mainz? Because Mainz is on our map and we can use this airfield if there was based II./TG 3

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Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you - it looks like it was just TGr 30 that was at Mainz. From what it looks like, II./TG 3 was in the East before being moved west for Stosser.

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Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you - it looks like it was just TGr 30 that was at Mainz.

Ok, thanks! If we don't find new info everything will remain the same as I wrote above

 

II./TG 3

Dec 8, 1944 - Dec 29, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29, 1944 - left front

 

Transportgruppe Brambach - AI Unit

Dec 9, 1944 - Dec 29, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29, 1944 - left front

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Ok, thanks! If we don't find new info everything will remain the same as I wrote above

 

II./TG 3

Dec 8, 1944 - Dec 29, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29, 1944 - left front

 

Transportgruppe Brambach - AI Unit

Dec 9, 1944 - Dec 29, 1944 - Paderborn/Bad Lippspringe

Dec 29, 1944 - left front

Yep, that looks good.

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Yes, I have but this site has a lot of mistakes and inaccuracies as we have seen in the process of work on the current career (3,001). So I need to check all info in the other sources.

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I've missed a problem with this Gruppe in the first post:

 

IV./JG 54

Sep 18, 1944 - Plantlünne

Oct 7, 1944 - Mörtitz

Nov 19, 1944 - Münster-Handorf

Nov 21, 1944 - Jan ???, 1945 - Vörden

Jan ???, 1945 - Gardelegen

Feb 12, 1945 - redesignated to II./JG7

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I've missed a problem with this Gruppe in the first post:

 

IV./JG 54

Sep 18, 1944 - Plantlünne

Oct 7, 1944 - Mörtitz

Nov 19, 1944 - Münster-Handorf

Nov 21, 1944 - Jan ???, 1945 - Vörden

Jan ???, 1945 - Gardelegen

Feb 12, 1945 - redesignated to II./JG7

 

In the loss list of JG 54 personnel that I have, I am seeing losses as late as 14 January 1945 in the area of Vörden. Some losses are listed on the 15th of January but without a location. The next entry for losses is after the unit was redesignated as II./JG 7. So, in the absence of further info, I would choose a date for Gardelegen sometime after 15 January 1945 - perhaps even 16 January.

 

EDIT: it seems that the operations / losses for IV./JG 54 operating from Vörden were indeed on the 14th/15th of January, and from the wording of the text, these were the unit's last missions from here. Jagdgeschwader 54 'Grünherz' By John Weal has this to say:

 

Despite escaping from Bodenplatte so lightly, it was a fortnight before IV. Gruppe was committed to its next major operation. This took place on 14 January, and was directed against Eight Air Force 'heavies' attacking Osnabruck [my note: confirmed in the loss list]. But IV./JG 54's Focke-Wulfs were unable to penetrate the bombers' P-51 fighter screen and lost eight killed, including two Staffelkapitäne, and two wounded. It was the final blow.

 

This time there was no reprieve for the Gruppe...After moving to Gardelegen IV./JG 54 was redesignated as II./JG 7 on 12 February.

 

I've attached the spreadsheet here.

JG 54 Loss List.zip

Edited by LukeFF
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Thanks Luke! I'm going to choose January 15 as the last day at Vörden.

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I./JG 6

Sep ???, 1944 - Oct ???, 1944  - Bonn-Hangelar

 

Bodenplatte: The Luftwaffe's Last Hope by Manrho says I./JG 6 was not formed until October 1944 at Perleberg, and the aircraft strength list at ww2.dk supports that. However, during this time, Manrho says the unit was retraining at this time, and that the first Gruppe from JG 6 to re-enter combat was III. Gruppe, on or around 26 November, and that the "other Gruppen did not enter combat in November..."

 

Furthermore, on page 120, it says I./JG 6 flew its first missions on 17 December, by which time they were at Delmenhorst. Going on to page 138, it says the whole of JG 6 was withdrawn and moved to the Eastern Front "a few days" after Bodenplatte. Lexikon Der Wehrmacht also agrees with this timeline. So, for I./JG 6, I would set them like this:

 

I./JG 6:

 

17 December 1944 - 5 January 1945: Delmenhorst. Aircraft, Fw 190 A-8.

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II./JG 6

Sep ???, 1944 - mid Oct ???, 1944 - Eudenbach

 

Manrho only says that they moved to Eudenbach in "early September" and moved on to Hagenow in "mid October." Manrho also points out that, when the unit was pulled back to Hagenow, they were taken off operations. LdW doesn't add any more info. So, my solution would be:

 

II./JG 6:

 

Eudenbach: 5 September 1944 - 15 October 1944, Fw 190 A-8s

16 October 1944 - 9 December: no missions / not on the map

Vechta or Quackenbrück: 10 December 1944 - 5 January 1945, 190 A-8s and A-9s. 5./JG 6 and 8./JG 6 were at Quackenbrück, while 6./JG 6 and 7./JG 6 were at Vechta, so either airfield works for II./JG 6. 

 

I would also like to add that III./JG 6, after it was formed, did not enter combat until 26 November 1944. So, their timeline would be:

 

III./JG 6:

 

Schwerin-Görries: 26 November 1944, 109 G-14

Bissel: 17 December 1944 - 5 January 1945, 109 G-14

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IV./JG 54 - completed. 

Sep 18, 1944 - Plantlünne

Oct 7, 1944 - Mörtitz

Nov 19, 1944 - Münster-Handorf

Nov 21, 1944 - Vörden

Jan 15, 1945 - Gardelegen

Feb 12, 1945 - redesignated to II./JG7

 

I just did some more reading about this unit. Manrho says on page 200 that they were withdrawn from operations in early October when they moved to Mörtitz and didn't return to combat until the next month, when they moved to Vörden. So, I would alter the timeline a bit to look like this:

 

Sep 18, 1944 - Plantlünne

Oct 7, 1944 - November 20, 1944: no missions / not on map

Nov 21, 1944 - Vörden

Jan 15, 1945 - Gardelegen

Feb 12, 1945 - redesignated to II./JG7

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I./JG 2

Aug 25, 1944 - St. Trond

Sep 4, 1944 - Mar ???, 1945 - Merzhausen

 

Lexikon der Wehrmacht says I./JG 2 was at Merzhausen until it was disbanded in April 1945. No date on when this exactly happened. The Gruppe did receive a new commander on the 26th of March, so it was active at least at that point in the month. Manrho does say they continued flying "until March 1945." So, I would put their end date as 31 March 1945.


 

 

II./JG 2

Sep 4, 1944 - Frankfurt-Eschborn

Sep 25, 1944 - Mar ???, 1945 - Nidda

 

As with I./JG 2, the evidence from Manrho points to operations ending sometime in March 1945 but no particular date. I'd just use 31 March 1945.

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III./JG 2

Aug 25, 1944 - Königsberg/Neumark (near Schweinfurt)

mid Oct ???, 1944 - mid Dec ???, 1944 - Altenstadt

mid Dec ???, 1944 - Mar ???, 1945 - Ettinghausen (9. and 10. moved back Altenstadt on Dec 25, 1944)

 

III./JG 2, per Manrho, was pulled off operations upon being moved to Königsberg/Neumark. They only resumed operations when moved back to Altenstadt. Manrho says their second mission back in action was on the 20th of October. No data on when they moved to Ettinghausen, other than "mid-December." So, with that said, I would say:

 

Altenstadt: 19 October 1944

Ettinghausen: 15 December 1944 - 31 March 1945


Thanks Luke, I'm going to answer today later

 

Cool!

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Bodenplatte: The Luftwaffe's Last Hope by Manrho says I./JG 6 was not formed until October 1944 at Perleberg, and the aircraft strength list at ww2.dk supports that. However, during this time, Manrho says the unit was retraining at this time, and that the first Gruppe from JG 6 to re-enter combat was III. Gruppe, on or around 26 November, and that the "other Gruppen did not enter combat in November..."

 

Furthermore, on page 120, it says I./JG 6 flew its first missions on 17 December, by which time they were at Delmenhorst. Going on to page 138, it says the whole of JG 6 was withdrawn and moved to the Eastern Front "a few days" after Bodenplatte. Lexikon Der Wehrmacht also agrees with this timeline. So, for I./JG 6, I would set them like this:

 

I./JG 6:

 

17 December 1944 - 5 January 1945: Delmenhorst. Aircraft, Fw 190 A-8.

We know from the other sources that "In April 1944, the I./ZG 26 was converted to Ме 410 planes. In July, the group of stationed in Koenigsberg, where it was redesignated as the I./JG 6 as part of the transformation of the ZG 26th Wing into the JG 6 'Horst Wessel', and received a fleet of Fw 190 A fighters."

 

Manrho says: In October, two further Gruppen were added to JG 6. Stab JG 6 and LlJG 6 were established from Stab ZG 26 and LlZG 26 respectively. The pilots retrained on Fw 190 As at Perleberg.

 

So, perhaps I./JG 6 was formally formed in Jule 44 at Königsberg from I./ZG26, but it hadn't planes till Oct 1944. In this case I'll delete this unit from the career as we've no Delmenhorst on our map.

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Manrho only says that they moved to Eudenbach in "early September" and moved on to Hagenow in "mid October." Manrho also points out that, when the unit was pulled back to Hagenow, they were taken off operations. LdW doesn't add any more info. So, my solution would be:

 

II./JG 6:

 

Eudenbach: 5 September 1944 - 15 October 1944, Fw 190 A-8s

16 October 1944 - 9 December: no missions / not on the map

Vechta or Quackenbrück: 10 December 1944 - 5 January 1945, 190 A-8s and A-9s. 5./JG 6 and 8./JG 6 were at Quackenbrück, while 6./JG 6 and 7./JG 6 were at Vechta, so either airfield works for II./JG 6. 

 

I would also like to add that III./JG 6, after it was formed, did not enter combat until 26 November 1944. So, their timeline would be:

 

III./JG 6:

 

Schwerin-Görries: 26 November 1944, 109 G-14

Bissel: 17 December 1944 - 5 January 1945, 109 G-14

Ok, so:

 

II./JG 6:

Sep 5, 1944 - Oct 15, 1944 - Eudenbach

Oct 15, 1944 - Dec 10, 1944 - Hagenau

Dec 10, 1944 - Jan 5, 1945 - 5. and 8. - Quackenbruck, 6. and 7. - Vechta

Jan 5, 1945 - moved to the Eastern front

 

III./JG 6 airfields are out of our map.

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I just did some more reading about this unit. Manrho says on page 200 that they were withdrawn from operations in early October when they moved to Mörtitz and didn't return to combat until the next month, when they moved to Vörden. So, I would alter the timeline a bit to look like this:

 

Sep 18, 1944 - Plantlünne

Oct 7, 1944 - November 20, 1944: no missions / not on map

Nov 21, 1944 - Vörden

Jan 15, 1945 - Gardelegen

Feb 12, 1945 - redesignated to II./JG7

Osprey - Aviation Elite Units 006 - Jagdgeschwader 54 'Gruenherz', page 95:

Untitled-2.jpg

 

Oct 7, 1944 - Mörtitz

Nov 19, 1944 - Münster-Handorf

48 hours later - Nov 21, 1944 - Vörden

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Lexikon der Wehrmacht says I./JG 2 was at Merzhausen until it was disbanded in April 1945. No date on when this exactly happened. The Gruppe did receive a new commander on the 26th of March, so it was active at least at that point in the month. Manrho does say they continued flying "until March 1945." So, I would put their end date as 31 March 1945.

 

As with I./JG 2, the evidence from Manrho points to operations ending sometime in March 1945 but no particular date. I'd just use 31 March 1945.

If we check "Osprey - Aviation Elite Units 001 - Jagdgeschwader 2 Richthofen", I./JG 2 was moved to Karlsbad and disbanded there

Untitled-3.jpg

But let's keep them at Merzhausen till March 31, 1945

III./JG 2, per Manrho, was pulled off operations upon being moved to Königsberg/Neumark. They only resumed operations when moved back to Altenstadt. Manrho says their second mission back in action was on the 20th of October. No data on when they moved to Ettinghausen, other than "mid-December." So, with that said, I would say:

 

Altenstadt: 19 October 1944

Ettinghausen: 15 December 1944 - 31 March 1945

Ok:

 

III./JG 2

Aug 25, 1944 - Königsberg/Neumark (near Schweinfurt)

Oct 19, 1944 - Dec 15, 1944 - Altenstadt

Dec 15, 1944 - Mar 31, 1945 - Ettinghausen (9. and 10. moved back Altenstadt on Dec 25, 1944)

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So with your help we solved all problems except Bf 109 K-4 in IV./JG 27. I continue to feel doubts...

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/34258-bobp-luftwaffe-sep-1944-mar-1945/?do=findComment&comment=576578

Perhaps the author of the book was mistaken and he meant

Around 8:30am Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-10 and G-14 started of the grass field of the Airfield Achmer

 

as Bodenplatte: The Luftwaffe's Last Hope mentions only Bf 109 G-10 and G-14 in this unit

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/34258-bobp-luftwaffe-sep-1944-mar-1945/?do=findComment&comment=576572

 

We can see losses of K-4 in this unit only from Feb 1945 as I understood this.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/34258-bobp-luftwaffe-sep-1944-mar-1945/?do=findComment&comment=576589

Maybe IV./JG 27 was rearmed only in February 1945?

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