Jump to content
BlackSix

BoBP: US 9th Air Force, Dates and Plane Types, Sep 1944 - Mar 1945

Recommended Posts

Hello Everybody,
 
First of all, I would like to thank you for the help us in search of the data for 3.001 career. I hope, we'll finish and release this update soon))
 
A few weeks ago I started to collect information for the future BoBP career. There are no any problems with RAF 2nd Tactical Air Force as I've excellent books about these units but history of Luftwaffe and US 9th Air Force units raises many questions. Let's begin with US Fighter Groups, I'm going to start Luftwaffe topic later.
 
We've not yet decided about time frame of the career and boundaries of the map so I want to find any info from September 17th, 1944 till April 1st, 1945.
 

The first part: the units are located into the approximate boundaries of our future map.
Please, try to check all my data and find the exact aircraft modifications for these units.
 
36th FG (22, 23, 53 Sqdns): P-47D-15/16/21/22/25/27/28/30-RE, D-26-RA

Airfields are completed.

 

48th FG (492, 493, 494 Sqdns): P-47D-5/11/15/16/20/21/22/27/28/30-RE, D-26/28-RA

Airfields are completed.

 

352nd FG (328, 486, 487 Sqdns): P-51D-5/D-10/D-15, C-1/10-NT, K-5-NT, B-15-NA

 

P-51D-5-NA (s/n 44-13401) - 328 FS, Nov 44

P-51D-15-NA (s/n 44-14906) - 328 FS, Dec 44

P-51D-15-NA (s/n 44-15041) - 487 FS, Dec 44-Jan 45

P-51D-10-NA (s/n 44-14815) - 328 FS, Jan 45

P-51D-10-NA (s/n 44-14237) - 487 FS, Jan 45

P-51D-5-NA (s/n 44-13530) - 487 FS, Mar 45

P-51D-15-NA (s/n 44-15041) - 486 FS, Apr 45

 

Airfields are completed.

 

365th FG (386, 387, 388 Sqdns): P-47D-5/10/11/15/16/21/22/25/26/27/28/30-RE, D-4/28/30-RA

Airfields are completed.

 

366th FG (389, 390, 391 Sqdns): P-47D-5/10/11/15/20/22/21/25/27/28/30-RE, D-28-RA

Airfields are completed.

 

368th FG (395, 396, 397 Sqdns): P-47D-5/11/15/20/22/25/27/28/30-RE, D-28/30-RA

Airfields are completed.

 

370th FG (401, 402, 485 Sqdns): P-38J-10/15/25-LO, L-1/5-LO; P-51D-20-NA/K-10-NT

 

 

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-72213) - 402 FS, Mar 45

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-72319) - 485 FS, Apr 45

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-72387) - 485 FS, Apr 45

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-63190) - 402 FS, Apr 45

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-63819) - 402 FS

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-72164) - 402 FS

P-51K-10-NT (s/n 44-12093) - 402 FS, Mar 45

P-51K-10-NT (s/n 44-12150) - 401 FS, Mar 45

 

 

Airfields are completed.

 

373rd FG (410, 411, 412 Sqdns): P-47D-1/5/6/10/15/22/25/27/28/30-RE, D-26/28/30-RA

Airfields are completed.

 

404th FG (506, 507, 508 Sqdns): P-47D-10/16/20/22/25/27/28/30-RE, D-20/21/28/30-RA

Airfields are completed.

 

405th FG (509, 510, 511 Sqdns): P-47D-6/11/15/20/22/25/27/28/30-RE, D-2/26/28/30-RA

Airfields are completed.

 

406th FG (512, 513, 514 Sqdns): P-47D-1/5/10/20/21/25/27/28/30-RE, D-2/26/28-RA

Airfields are completed.

 

474th FG (428, 429, 430 Sqdns): P-38J-10/15/20/25-LO, L-1/5-LO

Airfields are completed.

 

 

The second part: the units are located outside the approximate boundaries of our future map.

 

 

50th FG (10, 81, 313 Sqdns): P-47D

Airfields are completed.

 

354th FG (353, 355, 356 Sqdns): P-51D

Airfields are completed.

 

358th FG (365, 366, 367 Sqdns): P-47D

Airfields are completed.

 

362nd FG (377, 378, 379 Sqdns): P-47D

Airfields are completed.

 

367th FG (392, 393, 394 Sqdns): P-38, P-47D

Airfields are completed.

 

371th FG (404, 405, 405 Sqdns): P-47D

Airfields are completed.

 

 

 

Thank You!

  • Upvote 6

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've been posting airfield stuff here that includes some of those above (and whatever else I have found that relates) but also some stuff that is irrelevant to this period. It is here  https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/34114-abandoned-forgotten-and-little-known-airfields-world-war-ii/

 

I'm happy to collate and organize the relevant stuff if you would like or someone else is welcome to. I intended to keep adding to this stuff as I go through that website or find things that fit in also.

 

I'd be happy to help in any way I can. As I explain in there I am not the most familiar with European geography....this is my European tour ;).

 

PS Sorry about the lack of a spoiler in there but I can't fix it.

Edited by Pail
  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello, 

I know that our map developers are using this website, but I've forgotten that there are data on basing of units, I'll check the tables, thanks!

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The AFHRA website is a great resource for US info: http://www.afhra.af.mil/Information/Organizational-Records/Squadrons-and-Flights/

 

36th Fighter Group:

  • Athis, France, c. Sep 1944
  • Juvincourt, France, c. 1 Oct 1944;
  • Le Culot, Belgium, 27 Oct 1944;
  • Aachen, Germany, 26 Mar 1945;
  • Niedermendig, Germany, c. 8 Apr 1945

http://www.afhra.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/434107/36-operations-group-pacaf/

 

48th Fighter Group:

  • Cambrai/Niergnies, France, 15 Sep 1944;
  • St. Trond, Belgium, 30 Sep 1944;
  • Kelz, Germany, 26 Mar 1945;
  • Kassel, Germany, 17 Apr 1945;
  • Illesheim, Germany, 29 Apr 1945

http://www.afhra.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/433509/48-operations-group-usafe/

 

373rd Fighter Group:

  • St-James, France: 19 August 1944
  • Reims, France: 19 September 1944
  • Le Culot, Belgium: 22 October 1944
  • Venlo, Holland: 11 March 1945
  • Lippstadt, Germany: 20 April 1945

404th Fighter Group: 

  • Juvincourt, France: 13 September 1944
  • St-Trond, Belgium: 1 October 1944
  • Keltz, Germany: 30 March 1945
Edited by LukeFF
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
352nd FG (328, 486, 487 Sqdns): P-51D-??? Dec 22, 1944 - Jan 27, 1945 - Asch (Y-29) Jan 27, 1945 - Apr 12, 1945 - Chievres (Y-84)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/113th_Operations_Group

 

http://www.352ndfightergroup.com/assoc/main.html

 

http://www.forgottenairfields.com/united-kingdom/england/norfolk/bodney-s1448.html

 

352fg-p47.jpg

 

Republic P-47D-2-RA Thunderbolt Serial 42-22548 "Gigs-Up" of the 486th Fighter Squadron, 352d Fighter Group, at RAF Bodney, England  (P-47D-2-RA ??)

Edited by Pail
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
368th FG (395, 396, 397 Sqdns): P-47D-??? Sep 11, 1944 - Oct 02, 1944 - Laon/Athies (A-69) Oct 02, 1944 - Dec 27, 1944 - Chievres (Y-84) Dec 27, 1944 - Jan 05, 1945 - Juvincourt (A-68) Jan 05, 1945 - Apr 15, 1945 - Metz (Y-34)

 

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/unit/315

 

http://www.368thfightergroup.com/index.html

 

http://www.368thfightergroup.com/368-library.html

 

http://www.368thfightergroup.com/P-47-2.html

 

https://twitter.com/368thfg?lang=en

 

368th_Fighter_Group_-_P-47_Thunderbolts.

 

http://abmc.nomadmobileguides.com/Normandy.php?page=narrative&id=cont-2942

 

NARA54756.jpg

 

Lt. Charles R. Earls is pictured here speaking to P-47 Thunderbolt pilots via two-way radio as he rides in a tank approaching the Siegfried line.

 

"The 359th Fighter Group During its 17 months of operation, members of the 359th Fighter Group, comprised of the 368th Fighter Squadron, the 369th Fighter Squadron, and the 370th Fighter Squadron, excelled at escort missions and at the very hazardous jobs of "killing" trains and destroying aircraft on the ground. Although often frustrated at the restrictions placed on pursuing enemy aircraft that endeavored to lure them away from protecting their "big friends," the bombers, the pilots of the 359th faithfully fulfilled the escort missions that comprised approximately 75 percent of their flights. The 359th Fighter Group was awarded a Distinguished Unit Citation as well as numerous battle ribbons, including: • The Air Offensive Europe ribbon, for preparation for the invasion of Normandy • The Normandy ribbon, for invasion support and subsequent break out of the beach head areas • The Northern France ribbon, for support for the drive across France • The Rhineland ribbon for supporting the airborne invasion of the Netherlands as well as the drive into the Rhine • The Ardennes-Alsace ribbon for support during the Battle of the Bulge • And the Central Europe Ribbon for supporting the final actions across Germany There were 13,455 sorties flown by the pilots of the 359th. In addition to guarding the "heavies" they shot down 241 enemy aircraft, with an additional 33 probables and 69 damaged. Another 122 were destroyed on the ground plus 107 damaged. Almost 500 locomotives and 1,400 railway cars were destroyed or damaged. Other ground attacks supported troop movements and targeted infrastructure. To do all of this 1,000,000 rounds of .50 calibre ammunition was expended along with nearly 900 bombs of varying poundage. The 359th Fighter Group lost 121 pilots."

 

 

Anyone know what this music is in this ? ....very familiar....

 

memoriam to 2nd Lieutenant Thomas Frederick Layden http://www.fallennotforgotten.nl/story00006.htm

 

Thomas-Layden-Slick-Chick-retouch1.jpg  Thomas-Layden-air-attack.jpg

 

In the waning days of the war Thomas Layden was at first reported missing after a late March combat mission east of Giessen, Germany, but later the War Department declared the pilot as being Killed in Action on 28 March 1945.

 

http://www.uswarmemorials.org/html/monument_details.php?SiteID=254&MemID=454

Edited by Pail
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
be.png Ophoven (Y-32)

http://www.forgottenairfields.com/belgium/limburg/ophoven-y-32-s102.html

 

media-23400.jpeg?itok=MupupZzQ

 

http://wing.chez-alice.fr/USAAF/405th_FG/405th_FG.html

 

interesting photo but it won't let me post it here.

https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?28786-A-couple-of-Spit-profiles/page3&p=1488354#post1488354

 

http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/airfields/ophoven.htm

 

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/place/165628

 

Still following the front line advance, the unit moved in February, 1945 to Belgium. The base was designated Y-32 and was near the town of Zwartburg near- Liege. Now assigned to XXIX TAC, the unit flew support to the IX Army for the crossing on the Rhine River into Germany.

On May 1, 1945 the three squadron’s occupied its last combat base at Kitzengen, Germany (R-6). Shortly thereafter, on May 8, all three 405th squadrons participated in a victory flyover.

http://www.510fs.org/wwii/war-stories/item/225-wwii-chronology-and-statistics

 

The 'JUG' Best For The Job http://www.510fs.org/wwii/war-stories/item/223-the-jug-best-for-the-job

 

In March of 1944, the 510th moved to Christchurch, England, and began combat operations. During WWII, the 510th moved to mainland Europe with the advance of Allied troops, flying from Picauville and St Dizier, France; Ophoven, Belgium; and Kitzingen, Germany. The unit was credited with 39 kills and saw combat in ETO, from 11 April 1944-1 May 1945.

http://www.510fs.org/squadron

 

Edited by Pail
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Chievres Y-84

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/34114-abandoned-forgotten-and-little-known-airfields-world-war-ii/?do=findComment&comment=573655

 

 

 

368th FG (395, 396, 397 Sqdns): P-47D-??? Sep 11, 1944 - Oct 02, 1944 - Laon/Athies (A-69) Oct 02, 1944 - Dec 27, 1944 - Chievres (Y-84) Dec 27, 1944 - Jan 05, 1945 - Juvincourt (A-68) Jan 05, 1945 - Apr 15, 1945 - Metz (Y-34)

 

http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/airfields/chievres.htm

 

On the 14th of June 1944, approximately thirty German aircraft of Chièvres based K.G. 6 bombed the landing beaches in Normandy. By the first of September 1944 the last Luftwaffe aircraft left Chièvres for Holland and the installations were destroyed. Two days later the Allied troops took over command of the airbase and the Army engineers of the USAAF immediately started rebuilding the infrastructure. By October 1st, the Republic P-47D Thunderbolts of the 361th Fighter Groups arrived at Chièvres (by now designated A-84) to attack the retreating Germans and to bomb positions in the Ardennes during the Battle of the Bulge. To give assistance during the Ardennes offensive (12/1944) the base was also used by the Hawker Typhoons of 123 Wing RAF (including semi-Belgian operated 609 Squadron).  By March 1945 it was the sound of the Packard-Merlin engines of n° 352 Fighter Group's P-51D Mustangs who filled the skies over Chièvres. In all, Chièvres airfield was bombed over 30 times during the war. With the end of the hostilities, Chièvres became a transit station for US soldiers retuning home to the States as well as being a German POW camp.  By the end of 1945 almost all activity had stopped and the base was turned over to the Belgian authorities.

 

8481e5dbc8f350eb954715bc821821f1_4d2e6b2  https://www.routeyou.com/en-be/location/view/48058067/chievres-air-base?toptext=1600051

 

Fighter Group: The 352nd "Blue-Nosed Bastards" in World War II

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=ccVUI85IcFoC&pg=PA371&lpg=PA371&dq=chievres+Y-84&source=bl&ots=lYH6gbIQGs&sig=AWqNrwgl0Zun7BzMxyF5a0e8Tdk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjDiKC1yKLZAhVmzVQKHYqwDWEQ6AEISTAD#v=onepage&q=chievres%20Y-84&f=false

 

I Was a P-51 Fighter Pilot in Wwii: A Collection of Hard-To-Find Stories

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=MEylhjM_3aUC&pg=PA378&lpg=PA378&dq=chievres+Y-84&source=bl&ots=MGee-jsHPt&sig=Rp5WiUzcVkFjOxTlR0ci_bGh2_g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjDiKC1yKLZAhVmzVQKHYqwDWEQ6AEIVzAG#v=onepage&q=chievres%20Y-84&f=false

 

 

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675045685_P-47_planes-taxi_Crew-Chief_planes-landing

 

https://www.skylighters.org/history/airfields/a84.html

 

 Once again occupying Chièvres, the Germans, in order to deceive Allied reconnaissance aircraft, had 50 oxen working on the base, as well as 1,000 sheep that also kept the grass down as well as helping with the crop cultivation. To the enemy aircraft flying overhead, all that could be seen from the skies over Chièvres was the usual agricultural activities. The Germans also built a fake airfield in a small village called Aubechies. This &uquot;airfield" was composed of two wooden hangars and two "dummy" planes, which looked like bombers. At night, during air raids, the fake hangars, buildings. and runways were purposely illuminated, thus diverting the Allies' attention from Chièvres.

   On 14 June 1944, approximately thirty German aircraft from Chièvres bombed the landing beaches in Normandy. Later that month, K.G. 6 moved its aircraft to an airfield near Paris, but soon returned to Chièvres after the bombing of Normandy. The Germans stayed in Chièvres until the end of August, but were forced to retreat to a Dutch airfield on 1 September 1944. Before leaving, the Germans destroyed all the airfield's installations. Moreover, the staff of the German military administration brought more than 27.5 tons of base documents and records to the Chièvres Grand'Place. Tanker trucks poured petrol over papers, records, and other documents. The entire history of Chièvres airbase over the last four years had disappeared.

   On 3 September 1944, motorized and armored units of the 1st U.S. Division, coming from Beloeil, entered Chièvres. Chièvres was liberated. Within a week of the liberation, the Army Engineers of the USAAF established a camp at Chièvres and began to rebuild the destroyed airfield. They started by filling in bomb craters by means of freight cars full of coke, a residue of coal. On 1 October 1944, the airbase was once again fully operational and became Advance Landing Ground A-84 of the 9th U.S. Army Air Force. The first to set up at Chièvres was the 365th Fighter Group commanded by Colonel Ray Stecker. It was composed of the 386th, 387th, and 388th Fighter Squadrons flying P-47 Thunderbolts. They were succeeded by the 368th Fighter Group, the 361st Fighter Group, and the 352nd Fighter Group.

   The P-47s flying from Chièvres took part in the Battle of the Bulge, flying interdiction missions agains German motorized columns in the Ardennes.

   After V-E day and until December 1945, U.S. Army personnel and engineers occupied the airfield. B-24 Liberators flew repatriated allied prisoners of war coming from German camps. The Americans also established a camp for German prisoners of war. For a short period of time, the airbase was partly occupied by a Polish guard company, incorporated into the U.S. Army. Its task was guarding the airfield and clearing the area. In December 1945, the Americans left and returned the base to Belgian military authorities.

 

 

usbasehistory.jpg

 

http://chièvres.be/index.php/2014-01-15-12-18-41/usa-in-chievres/histoire-de-la-base

 

http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=321&Itemid=553&lang=fr

 

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Chi%C3%A8vres_Air_Base

Edited by Pail
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 

From book 352nd FG, page 126:

 


 

claim 38:

- P-51D-15-NA (s/n 44-15041) ‘Petie 3rd’ coded ‘HO-M’, flown by Lt. Col. John C. Meyer, the CO of 487th FS, December 1944, Asch base

 

Also confirmed here:


 

If you look at that page in book you will see that they used P-51D-5 in claim 36 on same page for 328 FS on same base, and D-10 at same times if you look at claim 40 on same page. Comparing serial numbers you can see if they are NT or NA

 

Serial numbers:



 

So they probably used mixture of thouse 3 P-51D blocks

 

In claim 42 and 43 on same page you can see they use P-51D-5 and D-15 blocks from Chievres in March 1945

 

I belive you will see that P-47 squadrons also had mixture of blocks like P-51 squadrons at same time, so it will all depend on what block you guys will select to make on what you will have to use in campaign.
Edited by 77.CountZero
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For P47 squadrons:

https://archive.is/wdrzx

 

you can see for others also on that link, this is example for 406 FG on what block they had at that times from that link:

 

44-19559
P-47D-28-RE
406th
513th
4P-?
"LITTLE LEE"
MACR 11451 - 29/12/44 vers Rachamps (Bel.) - Pilote : Gilbert F. Rubenzer - Parachuté & KIA - Flak
 
44-19570
P-47D-28-RE
406th
513th
4P-?
MACR 11496 - 27/12/44 vers Noertrange/Wiltz (Lux.) - Pilote : William H. Nellis - KIA
 
44-19733
P-47D-28-RE
406th
514th
O7-?
MACR 11448 - 27/12/44 vers Houffalize (Bel.) - Pilote : George W. Mace - Parachuté, POW & DOW - Flak
 
44-20398
P-47D-30-RE
406th
513th
4P-?
MACR 12640 - 23/02/45 vers Ratingen (All.) - Pilote : Richard D. Graves - KIA - Flak
 
EDIT:
For Asch period:
44-20400
P-47D-30-RE
406th
514th
O7-?
Accidenté à l'atterrissage le 14/03/45 à Asch/Y-29 (Bel.) - Pilote : Hugh J. Whitman Jr.
 
44-20477
P-47D-30-RE
406th

-
512th

-
L3-?

-
Accidenté au décollage le 10/04/45 à Asch/Y-29 (Bel.) - Pilote : William G. Braxton
Accidenté au décollage le 20/04/45 à Asch/Y-29 (Bel.) - Pilote : Emerson J. Berical
Accidenté au sol le 24/05/46 à Wiesbaden/Y-80 (All.) - Pilote : Robert F. Smith
 
Edited by 77.CountZero
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
For 370 P-38s, pictures and airbases confirmation:


"First Lieutenant James K. Kunkle at A-78 airfield, Florennes, Belgium, in November 1944, in what Kunkle calls a “public relations photo released with notice of the award” of the Distinguished Service Cross, the second highest U.S. decoration for valor."

"Seen at A-45 airfield, Lonray, France, in September 1944, this P-38J belongs to the 485th Fighter Squadron, a sister squadron of Kunkle’s 401st. Both belonged to the 370th Fighter Group. The serial is not visible, but 7F+K wears the name “Jimmy II” on the nose, numerous mission markers, and the word “pride” on the port engine nacelle."

"In May 1944, Lieutenant Kunkle shipped out for England and flew P-38s as part of the 401st Fighter Squadron, 370th Fighter Group, 

based at Andover, England; his group was equipped with P-38J-5, -10, and -15 models. The 370th Group’s squadrons––the 401st, 402nd, 

and 485th––were coded 9D, E6, and 7F. The aircraft were in a natural metal finish and most had nose art and names, although Kunkle 

never fulfilled his plan to name a P-38 “Kunk’s Clunk."

 

485th FS (7F) P-38 pic and video:



 

 

EDIT:

 

370th P38J on A-78 nov 44

 


 

By serial its:

P-38J-10-LO

 

P-38 serials:


42-12867/12869 Lockheed P-38J-1-LO Lightning 

42-13560/13566 Lockheed P-38J-1-LO Lightning 

42-67102/67311 Lockheed P-38J-5-LO Lightning 

42-67312/67401 Lockheed F-5B-1-LO Lightning 

42-67402/68191 Lockheed P-38J-10-LO Lightning 

42-68192/68301 Lockheed F-5B-1-LO Lightning 

42-103979/104428 Lockheed P-38J-15-LO Lightning 

43-28248/29047 Lockheed P-38J-15-LO Lightning 

44-23059/23208 Lockheed P-38J-15-LO Lightning 

44-23209/23558 Lockheed P-38J-20-LO Lightning 

44-23559/23768 Lockheed P-38J-25-LO Lightning 

Edited by 77.CountZero
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
From here you can see that 370FG had P-51K-10-NT at time your interested, and at Opheven AF.


 

P-51K-10-NT   s/n 44-12093

1945: USAAF 402nd FS (370th FG).

4/3/1945: Crashed near Gheel, Holland due to engine failure.

 

P-51K-10-NT   s/n 44-12150

*USAAF 434th FS (479th FG) as L2-2.

*1945: USAAF 401st FS (370th FG).

*3/28/1945: Crashed on take-off from Ophaven Airfield, Belgium.

 

And also P-51D-20-NA:


 

P-51D-20-NA   s/n 44-72213

*1945: USAAF 402nd FS (370th FG).

*3/15/1945: Crashed while landing at Ophaven Airfield, Belgium.

 

P-51D-20-NA   s/n 44-72319

*1945: USAAF 485th FS (370th FG).

*4/20/1945: Crashed while landing at Gutersloh Airfield, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany.

 

P-51D-20-NA   s/n 44-72387

*1945: USAAF 485th FS (370th FG).

*4/20/1945: Crashed while landing at Gutersloh Airfield, Germany.

 

P-51D-20-NA   s/n 44-63190

*1945: USAAF 552nd BU.

*1945: USAAF 402nd FS (370th FG).

*4/14/1945: Crashed while landing at Munchen-Gladbach Airfield due to engine failure.

 

P-51D-20-NA   s/n 44-63819

*12/1944: Delivered to the USAAF.

*USAAF 402nd FS (370th FG) as E6-N.

*6/1948: Sold to the Swedish AF as 26150.

*1949: F16 Wing as yellow J.

*1952: F8 Wing.

*1952: F16 Wing.

*12/1952: Sold to the Domician Republic AF as 1909.

 

P-51D-20-NA   s/n 44-72164

*1/1945: Delivered to the USAAF.

*1945: USAAF 364th FS (357th FG) as C5-R.

*1/14/1945: Shot down two Luftwaffe planes.

*1945: USAAF 402nd FS (370th FG) as E6-F.

*6/1948: Sold to the Swedish AF as 26143.

*1949: F16 Wing as black 26 and black 28.

*12/1952: Sold to the Dominican Republic AF as 1919 (first).

*1/21/1953: Written off due to accident damage.

*Sold on the civilian market and registered as N7223C.
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
For 365FG

 

For base confirmation and 17. March 1945 as end date for them at Florennes base


Juvincourt, France (Reims)- Strip A68, 9/11/44

Chievres, Belgium (Mons)- Strip A84, 10/4/44

Metz, Alsace Lorraine, France- Strip Y34, 12/25/44

Florennes/Juzaine, Belgium, 1/20/45

Aachen, Germany, 3/17/45

Fritzlar, Germany, 4/12/45

 

confirming that here also:


 

Also from quick serch on link at post 14, here is few crash reports with base names, indicating they also had mix of block 28 and 30:

 


44-19572

P-47D-28-RE

365th

387th

B4-?

Accidenté à l'atterrissage le 29/11/44 à Chièvres/A-84 (Bel.) - Pilote : Harold R. Kohler

 

 

44-19735

P-47D-28-RE

365th

386th

D5-?

MACR 9105 - 18/09/44 vers Nuth (Hol.) - Pilote : John E. Cave - KIA - Combat aérien Fw-190

 

44-19744

P-47D-28-RE

365th

387th

B4-?

Accidenté à l'atterrissage le 29/11/44 à Chièvres/A-84 (Bel.) - Pilote : Issac G. Phillips

 

44-19936

P-47D-28-RE

365th

386th

D5-?

Accidenté au sol le 25/11/44 à Chièvres-Mons/A-84 (Bel.) - Pilote : William E. Rodgers

 

44-20296

P-47D-28-RE

365th

388th

C4-?

Accidenté au sol le 04/12/44 à Chièvres/A-84 (Bel.) - Pilote : Richard C. Gamble

 

 

44-20547

P-47D-30-RE

365th

387th

B4-M

Accidenté au décollage le 22/01/45 à Metz/Y-34 (57) - Pilote : Archer W. Kinny

 

44-20602

P-47D-30-RE

365th

388th

C4-?

MACR 11947 - 16/01/45 vers Worms (All.) - Pilote : James F. Hensley - POW - Combat aérien

 

44-32758

P-47D-30-RA

365th

386th

D5-?

Accidenté à l'atterrissage le 26/03/45 à Aachen/Y-46 (All.) - Pilote : Michael D. Cannon

Edited by 77.CountZero
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I noticed when you edited first post, this P-51D/K data you asked for 370th FG (401, 402, 485 Sqdns) is by mistake in this 474th P-38 squadron

 

474th FG (428, 429, 430 Sqdns): P-38J- or L-???P-51D-20-NA/K-10-NT

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-72213) - 402 FS, Mar 45

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-72319) - 485 FS, Apr 45

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-72387) - 485 FS, Apr 45

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-63190) - 402 FS, Apr 45

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-63819) - 402 FS

P-51D-20-NA (s/n 44-72164) - 402 FS

P-51K-10-NT (s/n 44-12093) - 402 FS, Mar 45

P-51K-10-NT (s/n 44-12150) - 401 FS, Mar 45

 
It was like this before edit:
370th FG (401, 402, 485 Sqdns): P-38J or L-???
Sep 11, 1944 - Sep 26, 1944 - Roye / Amy (A-73)
Sep 26, 1944 - Jan 27, 1945 - Florennes / Juzaine (A-78)
Jan 27, 1945 - Apr 20, 1945 - Ophoven (Y-32) - converted to P-51??? during Feb 1945
Edited by 77.CountZero
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I noticed when you edited first post, this P-51D/K data you asked for 370th FG (401, 402, 485 Sqdns) is by mistake in this 474th P-38 squadron

Yes, you're right, I fixed it, thanks!

 

LukeFF

Pail

77.CountZero

- thank you very much!

With your help, I checked all the necessary data on the airfields for the main groups and made a number of corrections. This week I will also deal with the modifications.

 

At the moment I would like to check the airfields for the units are located outside the approximate boundaries of our future map - done.

 

358th FG (365, 366, 367 Sqdns): P-47D

Sep 14, 1944 - Vitry (A-67)

Oct 16, 1944 - Mourmelon (A-80)

Nov 09, 1944 - Apr 02, 1945 - Toul/Croix De Metz (A-90)

Airfields are completed.

 

362nd FG (377, 378, 379 Sqdns): P-47D

Sep 19, 1944 - Prosnes (A-79)

Nov 05, 1944 - Apr 08, 1945 - Verdun (Rouvres) (A-82)

Airfields are completed.

 

367th FG (392, 393, 394 Sqdns): P-38, P-47D

Sep 08, 1944 - Clastres (A-71)

Oct 28, 1944 - Juvincourt (A-68)

Feb 01, 1945 - Saint-Dizier (A-64)

Mar 14, 1945 - Conflans, France

Airfields are completed.

 

371th FG (404, 405, 405 Sqdns): P-47D

Sep 18, 1944 - Perthes, France

Oct 01, 1944 - Dole / Tavaux (Y-7)

Dec 12, 1944 - Tantonville (Y-1)

Feb 15, 1945 - Apr 07, 1945 Metz (Y-34)

Airfields are completed.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
358th FG (365, 366, 367 Sqdns) for locations:



"Based Vitry 14 September 1944 – 16 October 1944

Based Mourmelon 16 October 1944 – 9 November 1944

Based Toul / Croix De Metz 9 November 1944 – 2 April 1945"

 

362nd FG (377, 378, 379 Sqdns) locationa:



 

371th FG (404, 405, 405 Sqdns) locations:

 




"Stations. ... Dole/Tavaux, France, 1 Oct 1944; Tantonville, France, 20 Dec 1944; Metz, France, 15 Feb 1945; Frankfurt/Eschborn, Germany, 7 Apr 1945; ..."

 

Also all this info and more in:

Air Force Combat Units of World War II book:


 


367th FG (392, 393, 394 Sqdns) locations:

 


"Conflans, France: 14 Mar 1945 "


"Based Peray 4 September 1944 – 8 September 1944

Based Clastres Aerodrome 8 September 1944 – 28 October 1944

Based Juvincourt 28 October 1944 – 1 February 1945

Based Saint-Dizier 1 February 1945 – 14 March 1945"

From february P-47s

 

 


367th, 474th and 370th used also P-38J-25-LO Lightnings if this links are ok:

 

From here:


44-23559/23768 Lockheed P-38J-25-LO Lightning

MSN 422-4563/4772

23564 (367th FG) lost Aug 25, 1944.  MACR 8032

23571 (367th FG, 393rd FS) lost Aug 22, 1944.  MACR 8413

23573 (474th FG) lsot Oct 13, 1944.  MACR 9540

23575 (367th FG, 393rd FS) lost Aug 15, 1944.  MACR 8488

23576 (367th FG) lost Aug 25, 1944.  MACR 8028

23577 (367th FG) lost Jan 19, 1945.  MACR 11847

23583 (370th FG) lost Dec 27, 1944.  MACR 11467

23584 (474th FG) lost Aug 25, 1944.  MACR 8034

23586 (367th FG) lost Oct 20, 1944.  MACR 9781

23588 (370th FG) lost Aug 5, 1944.  MACR 7854

23589 (474th FG) lost Mar 2, 1945.  MACR 12839

23613 (474th FG) lost Aug 20, 1944.  MACR 8419

23615 (370th FG) lost Oct 28, 1944.  MACR 10271

23623 (474th FG) lost Aug 23, 1944.  MACR 8417

23625 (367th FG) lost Dec 24, 1944.  MACR 11432

23627 (367th FG, 392nd FS) lost Nov 21, 1944.  MACR 10567

23629 (367th FG) lost Feb 8, 1945.  MACR 12270

23631 (367th FG) lost Aug 25, 1944.  MACR 8551

23632 (474th FG) lost Feb 25, 1945.  MACR 12730

23634 (367th FG, 392nd FS) shot down by flak from the train

23637 (370th FG) lost Aug 10, 1944.  MACR 7542.

23638 (370th FG) lost Jan 23, 1945.  MACR 11934

23640 (474th FG) lost Sep 28, 1944.  MACR 9179

23643 (474th FG) lost Aug 25, 1944.  MACR 8030

23644 (367th FG) lost Aug 11, 1944.  MACR 8165

23645 (367th FG) lost Aug 25, 1944.  MACR 8242

23646 (370th FG, 485th FS) lost Dec 26, 1944.  MACR 11474

23648 (474th FG) lost Dec 17, 1944.  MACR 10973

23649 (474th FG) lost Sep 12, 1944.  MACR 9117

23651 (474th FG) lost Aug 14, 1944.  MACR 7640

23655 (474th FG) lost Dec 17, 1944.  MACR 11014

23656 (367th FG, 392nd FS) lost Aug 17, 1944.  MACR 8503

23657 (367th FG) lost Feb 9, 1945.  MACR 12292

23659 (367th FG) lost Aug 13, 1944.  MACR 8167

23661 (474th FG) lost Aug 25, 1944.  MACR 8026

23664 (367th FG) lost Oct 12, 1944.  MACR 9532

23665 (367th FG) lost Aug 13, 1944.  MACR 8153

23670 (370th FG) lost Dec 6, 1944.  MACR 10847

23681 (367th FG) lost Jul 26, 1944.  MACR 8042

23685 (370th FG) lost Oct 13, 1944.  MACR 9537

 

 

in this book P-38 Lightning At War:


 

page 118 of this book mentiones that P-38J-25 was entering in ETO service in August 44 and that looks ok when MACR are compared.

 

page 117 mention that 474th stayed on P-38s to end war, 367 converted to P-47s by end of january 45( also confirmed here http://www.americanairmuseum.com/unit/314 )

 

page 115 also mentiones that 474th used 2x2000lbs bombs

 

on page 116 you can see picture of P-38L-1-Lo of 474th on Ophoven (i dont know when 474th was at Opheven), no date but its winter

also on 118 P-38L-1-Lo of 367th on Ophoven, and here it says that picture is from January 45, so im not sure when and if they had L models in time you search as im not able to se serials from thouse pictures.



 

I did found this on:



 

474th P-38L losses

25518 (474th FG) lost Apr 18, 1945.  MACR 14199

25524 (474th FG) lost Apr 20, 1945.  MACR 14091

25497 (474th FG) lost Mar 31, 1945.  MACR 13665


 

more P-38J and L info:



Edited by 77.CountZero
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Black Six,

 

I have the 352nd Squadron History and can supply code, serial number, the pilot name, service dates, name of aircraft, date of kill and the aircraft killed

for every aircraft in the unit, as well as nose art photos etc etc. for all three squadrons of the 352nd - every single aircraft.

 

I'll have to make copies as typing manually would take forever. Let me know if this would be useful to you.

 

I've also supplied Jason with photos and drawings of Y-29 and Chievres from the 352nd Sqdrn historians some time ago which I'm sure you have in hand already.

Edited by Gambit21
  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/archive

 

This link appears to be helpful, however, you have to know exactly what you are looking for regarding the various topics.

 

 

As an example all info about 397th Sqn, P47!

 

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/unit/1014

 

 

or 371st

 

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/unit/321

 

 

 

or when you look for airfields such as Jevincourt

 

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/place/140942

 

 

Hope this might help!?

Edited by Haza
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Haza, 77.CountZero

thanks for the info!

 

Black Six,

 

I have the 352nd Squadron History and can supply code, serial number, the pilot name, service dates, name of aircraft, date of kill and the aircraft killed

for every aircraft in the unit, as well as nose art photos etc etc. for all three squadrons of the 352nd - every single aircraft.

 

I'll have to make copies as typing manually would take forever. Let me know if this would be useful to you.

 

I've also supplied Jason with photos and drawings of Y-29 and Chievres from the 352nd Sqdrn historians some time ago which I'm sure you have in hand already.

Hello,

I've a book "Osprey - Aviation Elite Units 008 - 352 Fighter Group", do you mean some other book about 352 FG?

 

I'll ask our map developers about these photos and drawings of Y-29 and Chievres, thanks!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This could be interesting to check, this link is for P-47 aces of 9th:

 

 

 

And on this links you can also see accidant reports for Allied airplanes all kined, and when you know serial numbers you can then know what exact type they are by cross checking:

 

October 1944:
 
November 1944:
 
December 1944:
 
January 1945:
 
February 1945:
 
March 1945:
 
April 1945:
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This could be interesting to check, this link is for P-47 aces of 9th:

 

 

 

And on this links you can also see accidant reports for Allied airplanes all kined, and when you know serial numbers you can then know what exact type they are by cross checking:

 

Thank you, I think I've enough information about modifications and serial numbers now

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Haza, 77.CountZero

thanks for the info!

 

Hello,

I've a book "Osprey - Aviation Elite Units 008 - 352 Fighter Group", do you mean some other book about 352 FG?

 

I'll ask our map developers about these photos and drawings of Y-29 and Chievres, thanks!

 

Hi BlackSix,

 

I'm not speaking of the small Osprey book, but rather the larger, much more comprehensive squadron history published by the squadron itself years ago.

It's called Bluenosed Bastards of Bodney and was only ever available direct from the the squadron itself. It's been out of print for quite some time now.

 

I was written largely by Bob Powell who flew with the 352nd/328th and passed recently. It's a large book and unlike the Osprey book, it has the code "HO-M" etc - serial "42-8529" nose art info and name etc, for

every P-47, P-51B and P-51D that the squadron ever operated. Plus kill dates, type of aircraft killed, serial of the aircraft that killed it.

 

However you may not need all of this info (on the D Mustangs) let me know if you don't.

 

I also have "Bluenoser Tales" also published by Powell, and also out of print. In there we have some detailed sortie information from Belgium, with altitudes, enemy contact info, etc. which might come in useful for designing career missions.

I know I'll put it to use for campaign missions. :) I'll put a document together for you with relevant info that I think you can use.

 

I'll attach the Y-29 folder from my hard drive (thank you to Sam Sox the squadron photo archivist for these)

I'll post A-84 Chievres later.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v4eb7v2be2ikjxb/Y-29%20for%20BlackSix.zip?dl=0

Edited by Gambit21
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll ask Viks tomorrow.

And thanks for the info about airfields.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I can try and scan pages and if it comes down to it I'll type it up. Most squadrons don't have this much detailed information available, or it's just lost to history.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

An important question to all, I would like to know your opinions: 370th FG had replaced its P-38J with P-51D-20/K-10 in Feb 1945. We'll do one the early version of P-51D - D-5, D-10 or D-15. Will it be acceptably if we continue the career for this group using our early version of P-51D instead of D-20/K-10?

 

For example, now we use LaGG-3 s.29 throughout 1943 in the BOK career as we've no any later modifications of this plane.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

BlackSix - I think I speak for most everyone when I say that whatever D you make will do just fine. :)

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

An important question to all, I would like to know your opinions: 370th FG had replaced its P-38J with P-51D-20/K-10 in Feb 1945. We'll do one the early version of P-51D - D-5, D-10 or D-15. Will it be acceptably if we continue the career for this group using our early version of P-51D instead of D-20/K-10?

 

Hey there Black Six. As far as I know (if i'm wrong pls anyone feel free to correct me) depending on the mods that you plan to implement in the P-51 there would be almost no difference between say a D-20 and a D-10 or D-15. The tail fin was introduced with the D-10 and retrofitted to D-5s, the gyroscopic sight was introduced with the D-20 but also refitted to earlier variants.

 

If you choose to make a D-10 or D-15, and then have the option to mount the K-14 gunsight it could very well pass as a D-20 for the campaign.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
This is good site also, easy to select by fighter squadron numbers, and all you need at one place, probably for all neccesary squadrons:


 

You can check by units, and it has airplane types and bases in one place

example for 370 FG 485 FS:


 

or 352FG 487FS:


 

This is nice as you have all at same place

 

Regarding question, i dont mined if you use D5,10 or 15 for period they used 20 and so on, its higly probable that they had thouse early ones also at that same time.

 

Quick check on accidant reports and you can see that in 1945 they used them, example from first link on post 16, in that reports airplane crashed later in 45, more reserch could probably pinpoint when they recived them from previous squadrons, maybe after war or maybe at same time they were using thouse D20 and K10s. 

 

P-51D-5-NA   s/n 44-13552

*USAAF 362nd FS (357th FG) as G4-T.

*USAAF 364th FS (357th FG) as C5-Y.

*1945: USAAF 402nd FS (370th FG).

 

P-51D-10-NA   s/n 44-14070

*1945: USAAF 504th FS (339th FG) as 5Q-H.

*1945: USAAF 402nd FS (370th FG).

*8/21/1945: Crashed near Obergeis, West Germany.

 

P-51D-10-NA   s/n 44-14362

*1945: USAAF 354th FS (355th FG) as WR-D.

*1945: USAAF 402nd FS (370th FG).

*8/28/1945: Crashed near Weinheim, West Germany after a collision with P-51D 44-63671.

 

P-51D-15-NA   s/n 44-15049

*USAAF 79th FS (20th FG) as MC-A.

*1945: USAAF 79th FS (20th FG) as MC-P.

*1945: USAAF 485th FS (370th FG).

 

P-51D-15-NA   s/n 44-15065

*USAAF 55th FS (20th FG) as KI-W.

*1945: USAAF 374th FS (361st FG) as B7-E.

*1945: USAAF 401st FS (370th FG).

*7/10/1945: Crashed near Michelstadt, West Germany due to engine failure.

 

P-51D-15-NA   s/n 44-15249

*USAAF 55th FS (20th FG) as KI-W.

*1945: USAAF 402nd FS (370th FG).

*7/9/1945: Crashed near Sandhofen, West Germany.

Edited by 77.CountZero
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Count Zero - good stuff.

 

BlackSix if you look at the document CountZero posted above on the 487th, it's that info for all three squadrons of the 352nd, (broken down by squadron) plus a bit on each aircraft.

 

Example - PZ-G      44-14450   "Little Stinker"     Lt. Leonard Gremaux

                 PZ-H      44-14696   "Cile III"                Capt. Chester Harker

Etc etc.

 

Also all the kill dates as follows.

 

3/18/45  time - 11:40  Aircraft killed - Me-109 - Maj William Timothy Halton - P-51 4812  HO-T

etc etc, for every kill by the group during the war.

So this might come in handy for "news" during the career.

 

I have many photos as well of the more obscure/unknown nose art from the group aside from the more famous ones.

 

 

Note - the 366th (9th Air Force P-47's) were stationed at Y-29 at the same time as the 352nd - they were in the air already returning from a ground attack mission when the Bodenplatte attack occurred.

The CO of the 366th did not allow picture taking, so most photos of their area that exist were taken by the 352nd - in other words there are very few. I sent all that the 352nd historian has on their

side of the field.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

About 365th FG (386, 387, 388 Sqdns):

 

Juvincourt, France (Reims)- Strip A68, 9/11/44
Chievres, Belgium (Mons)- Strip A84, 10/4/44
Metz, Alsace Lorraine, France- Strip Y34, 12/25/44
Florennes/Juzaine, Belgium, 1/20/45
Aachen, Germany, 3/17/45
Fritzlar, Germany, 4/12/45
 
Juvincourt, France, 11 Sep 1944
Chievres, Belgium, 4 Oct 1944
Metz, France, 27 Dec 1944
Florennes/ Juzaine, Belgium, 27 Jan 1945
Aachen, Germany, 12 Mar 1945
Fritzlar, Germany, 10 Apr 1945
 
It is known that the squadrons could be relocated at different times, but what dates should we choose for the whole 365 FG?
 

Hi BlackSix,

I'm not speaking of the small Osprey book, but rather the larger, much more comprehensive squadron history published by the squadron itself years ago.
It's called Bluenosed Bastards of Bodney and was only ever available direct from the the squadron itself. It's been out of print for quite some time now.

I was written largely by Bob Powell who flew with the 352nd/328th and passed recently. It's a large book and unlike the Osprey book, it has the code "HO-M" etc - serial "42-8529" nose art info and name etc, for
every P-47, P-51B and P-51D that the squadron ever operated. Plus kill dates, type of aircraft killed, serial of the aircraft that killed it.

However you may not need all of this info (on the D Mustangs) let me know if you don't.

I also have "Bluenoser Tales" also published by Powell, and also out of print. In there we have some detailed sortie information from Belgium, with altitudes, enemy contact info, etc. which might come in useful for designing career missions.
I know I'll put it to use for campaign missions. :) I'll put a document together for you with relevant info that I think you can use.

I talked with Viks, if you can make copy of this book - please try to do it, it can be useful for a career. Thanks!


What about mods like the K-14?. The D-20NA was the first block to incorporate the K-14 gunsight on the production line, but we know that the K-14 was being mounted on earlier block P-51Ds on active squadrons and being used in combat in combat much earlier.

e.g.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/combat-reports.html

Sorry, I can't answer about future modifications...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Regarding 365 FG locations, I would go for that dates on second link just because of sorces. But its always problem to know which one is more accurate in thouse situations.

 

if you look here:

http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/USAAF/365th_Fighter_Group.html

 

Juvincourt, France: 15 Sep 1944
Chievres, Belgium: 4 Oct 1944
Metz, France: 27 Dec 1944
Florennes/Juzaine, Belgium: 30 Jan 1945
Aachen, Germany: 16 Mar 1945

 

this is same as in 1983 book Air force combat units of world war ii page 251, so its 3 differant sorces and 3 differant dates :)

Edited by 77.CountZero
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

An important question to all, I would like to know your opinions: 370th FG had replaced its P-38J with P-51D-20/K-10 in Feb 1945. We'll do one the early version of P-51D - D-5, D-10 or D-15. Will it be acceptably if we continue the career for this group using our early version of P-51D instead of D-20/K-10?

 

For example, now we use LaGG-3 s.29 throughout 1943 in the BOK career as we've no any later modifications of this plane.

Please do not do D-5. It was an early version that was later modified in field to later blocks. There were conversion kits added to every P-51D to make the block more modern with the added tailfin. Especially that we have late war German planes like the G-14 (which was already produced after D-10 came out and maybe even D-15) and K4 which was introduced at the same time as the D-20 was and you are introducing Dora and Me262.

 

I would love to see D-20 because of the K-14 gunsight, but I would also love to see the G-Suit added. And it was the most numerous production model of them all. And if you are making a gyro sight for the Spit the technology would also be there to do it for the P-51 which was the first to be produced with standardised sight like the K14.

 

Regardless of the version I hope we will see different fuel/power settings, just as we see that with different engines for Spit MkVb.

 

Here, check this site for more details about the P-51

Variants:

http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/variants/p51d

Production:

http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/production

Specs:

http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/specifications

Edited by =LD=Solty
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I talked with Viks, if you can make copy of this book - please try to do it, it can be useful for a career. Thanks!

 

OK - I'm borrowing a hand-held scanner from someone for this.

When I have it in-hand I'll get started and keep you posted.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Regarding 365 FG locations, I would go for that dates on second link just because of sorces. But its always problem to know which one is more accurate in thouse situations.

if you look here:

http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/USAAF/365th_Fighter_Group.html

...

this is same as in 1983 book Air force combat units of world war ii page 251, so its 3 differant sorces and 3 differant dates :)

Ok, you're right, I'll use 388th Sqdn. dates for the whole 365th FG.

 

Please do not do D-5. It was an early version that was later modified in field to later blocks. There were conversion kits added to every P-51D to make the block more modern with the added tailfin. Especially that we have late war German planes like the G-14 (which was already produced after D-10 came out and maybe even D-15) and K4 which was introduced at the same time as the D-20 was and you are introducing Dora and Me262.

Sorry, but this time I've no any influence on the choice of plane modifications. I've to find all units and their airfields and write their histories later.

 

OK - I'm borrowing a hand-held scanner from someone for this.

When I have it in-hand I'll get started and keep you posted.

Thank you very much for the help.

 

77.CountZero, LukeFF

 - thanks again for the serial numbers links, I've found all that I need and added it to the first post.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×