Developer Diary, Part 186 - Discussion

[vanscov]

Finally the waiting is over! Ok guys, we've got a lot of work to do now. I share this introduction for some fans of P39 if it's needed.  

[Mac_Messer]

 

 

"Why then did the Airacobra suffer such a “bad press” when compared with the P40? Rather than technical difficulties, the P39 was beset with psychological misgivings on the part of the average pilot who disliked knowing that the heavy Allison engine, mounted just behind the cockpit, poised behind him was ready to crush him in case of a belly landing."

 

from Flying American Combat Aircraft of World War II: 1939-1945

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=P0KiPMJuXkUC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=widowmaker+airacobra&source=bl&ots=bSYTRkUfZx&sig=MspoD4Cs44wJeaycHzDtjg2dRe0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiF78G_9fbYAhUKfLwKHZ7rDwEQ6AEIPzAJ#v=onepage&q=widowmaker%20airacobra&f=false

Weeeeeeeeeell...Are there any confirmed cases of such a thing happening? That IMO is quite a significant aircraft ..."feature"....that should be recreated wherever the P39 is made.

[KatieLuna]

Daamn, P-39 looks so cool on these pics. Feels bad man since I don't own BoK.

Good english. not as bad as it could be for a non-native. If I wanted to be picky I could say; "P-39 looks so cool on these pics" sounds a bit wierd and it should be "the P-39 looks so cool on these pics", but this is a message board so this type of wording is fine. In spoken language it would sound odd, and the "the" should be said. (sorry about off topic mods, but as a non-native german speaker, I love feedback on my second language)

[FlyingNutcase]

Good english. not as bad as it could be for a non-native. If I wanted to be picky I could say; "P-39 looks so cool on these pics" sounds a bit wierd and it should be "the P-39 looks so cool on these pics", but this is a message board so this type of wording is fine. In spoken language it would sound odd, and the "the" should be said. (sorry about off topic mods, but as a non-native german speaker, I love feedback on my second language)

 

in these pics. 

[von_Greiff]

Good english. not as bad as it could be for a non-native. If I wanted to be picky I could say; "P-39 looks so cool on these pics" sounds a bit wierd and it should be "the P-39 looks so cool on these pics", but this is a message board so this type of wording is fine. In spoken language it would sound odd, and the "the" should be said. (sorry about off topic mods, but as a non-native german speaker, I love feedback on my second language)

 

...not at all, "sounds" like american english to me...überhaupt nicht, "klingt" wie amerikanisches englisch für mich...

 

yours

v.Greiff 

[Pail]

Weeeeeeeeeell...Are there any confirmed cases of such a thing happening?

 

 

They had lots of accidents and seemingly caused a fair few injuries and deaths. It seems plausible but as for the details....and statistical analysis....

 

https://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-39/index.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_(1940%E2%80%9344)

 

You can certainly see how they got a bad rep in Australia.

 

"After only just five days of fighting, some fourteen P-39s had been destroyed or damaged,including some five being shot down by the enemy (with one pilot lost), four from weather related reasons, and with the remaining lost due to landings or take-offs accidents.Added to that total, some eighteen were previously lost on the earlier ferry flights, with afurther fifteen damaged/written-off during training, had resulted in some forty- seven P-39s being out of commission within the first two months of their arrival."

http://www.adf-serials.com.au/research/Airacobra.pdf

 

http://www.ozatwar.com/26apr42.htm

 

http://www.ozatwar.com/1may42.htm

 

Here's something interesting (possibly annoying)

 

"Also, instead of the M80 AP rounds that were required, the U.S. shipped the Soviets M54 high explosive shells, which were ineffective against tanks. Therefore, the P-39 was not used as a tank destroyer on the Eastern Front."

"Of the 9,585 examples of the P-39 built before the end of the war, 4,500 (almost half) were given to the USSR. This seems appropriate since Russia was the only country that achieved widespread success with the plane."

http://www.chuckhawks.com/airacobra_iron_dog.htm

 

Makes me think of this article "Roosevelt’s World War II Lend-Lease Act: America’s War Economy, US “Military Aid” to the Soviet Union" https://www.globalresearch.ca/roosevelts-world-war-ii-lend-lease-act-americas-war-economy-us-military-aid-to-the-soviet-union/5449160

 

Has anyone ever seen part 2 of this article ? Even in Russian ?

 

"P-39s in service with Britain took on the designation of "Airacobra Mk I" and, despite the shortcomings inherent in a turbosupercharger-less aircraft, were nonetheless thrown into the fray. To add to the mix, these P-39s began to show signs that the aircraft was not intended for use in the unforgiving sea-borne British Isle elements. The aircraft were prone to breakdowns and mechanical failures particularly in their landing gears. The rugged airfields of Britain were nothing in comparison to the smooth test-bed runways found in the United States. The mechanical service records of the Airacobra Mk I's got progressively worse over time and made the aircraft a much-hated breed on the island. To add insult to injury, it was soon found that dangerous fumes were being pumped into the cockpit after the firing of the 37mm cannon, fume levels deadly enough to kill a man."

 

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=140

 

"They were greatly disappointed to find the P-39's top speed was 30 mph less than expected. Bell had also claimed that the P-39 could operate above 36,000 ft.⁶ In the real world however, above 15,000 ft., Spitfires, Hurricanes, Bf 109s and the new Hawker Typhoon flew circles around the P-39. Undoubtedly, the British felt that the yanks had taken them to the cleaners and so, they refused the rest of the order."

 

http://www.aviation-history.com/bell/p39.html

Edited January 27, 2018 by Pail

[SCG_Tzigy]

 

[Te_Pille]

Hoho my god I was expecting some picture of my beloved Yak-7 and never came out a news like that!!

[Lusekofte]

Good job, looking forward to this update, many thanks

[JG77-FluGb0t-]

We have to be satisfied with vicarious pleasures for now....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmfCLGm1WcI

 

 

Anoter P-39Q-15 44-2911 from Eastern Front.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pilot: Lt Ivan Ivanovich Baranovsky 733 IAP

Lost: 19.11.44 Mart-Yavr, Murmansk region.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2018 by JG77-FluGb0t-

[56RAF_Roblex]

America’s Worst World War II Fighter Was the Star of the Russian Air Force

   

 

...and the the Russians also thought the Spitfire was useless :-)   Different wars and different needs.

Edited January 27, 2018 by 56RAF_Roblex

[GP*]

WOW. As others have said, I've never liked the P-39...but it looks simply fantastic. It's probably the first thing I'll fly now in the upcoming update. 

[MeoW.Scharfi]

I would like to have it split in different updates instead of one huge one. Because just like the most other players I am intrested in the planes in first place.

Features like rain drop quality, single player, co-op are really cool but can wait in my opinion. Bf 109 G6, P39, A20B, Yak7, La 5FN can not!

[Picchio]

I would like to have it split in different updates instead of one huge one. Because just like the most other players I am intrested in the planes in first place.

Features like rain drop quality, single player, co-op are really cool but can wait in my opinion. Bf 109 G6, P39, A20B, Yak7, La 5FN can not!

 

New aircraft can wait. More significant gameplay modes (the most significant gameplay modes, as far as I'm concerned) in which to employ the ones we've already got, that cannot wait.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I would like to have it split in different updates instead of one huge one. Because just like the most other players I am intrested in the planes in first place.

Features like rain drop quality, single player, co-op are really cool but can wait in my opinion. Bf 109 G6, P39, A20B, Yak7, La 5FN can not!

Yet new aircraft are one of the most time consuming feautures to add to the game. Give it time and you'll hopefully not regret the wait.

[Field-Ops]

Yet new aircraft are one of the most time consuming feautures to add to the game. Give it time and you'll hopefully not regret the wait.

I would say undoubtedly they would not regret the update 

[Pail]

 

 

Click the "To be continued" to get to the second page. Be forewarned that it's a lot of butthurt to consume in one sitting, LOL.

 

Yeah I've seen that bit and maybe it is all of it....but it still says Part 1. at the top. I thought perhaps it meant there was a follow up article but maybe not.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I would like to have it split in different updates instead of one huge one. Because just like the most other players I am intrested in the planes in first place.

Features like rain drop quality, single player, co-op are really cool but can wait in my opinion. Bf 109 G6, P39, A20B, Yak7, La 5FN can not!

 

Normally they do but it was announced months ago that the final big patch was one that they, for resource reasons, had to really do all at once. The raindrops and the like really aren't the big ticket items that needed to be done all at once... but Career, Co-op, and the backlog and bottleneck for the aircraft flight models I'm sure was.

[AnPetrovich]

WooHoo I presume this means while the Russian planes will not be on par with the German's it will allow Russian pilots a better chance to bail... especially the La5.

Please, be attentive: points from #1 to #24 in DD are for Yak-7B only.

 

"which in time may be applied to other aircraft."

 

Probably I will make a copy of this new canopy model to one or two Soviet airplanes tomorrow, but not more. I have to start work on my next task since Monday.

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

Please, be attentive: points from #1 to #24 in DD are for Yak-7B only.

 

"which in time may be applied to other aircraft."

 

Probably I will make a copy of this new canopy model to one or two Soviet airplanes tomorrow, but not more. I have to start work on my next task since Monday.

Fat Boy Bear exits stage left to sit in the dunce corner for 15 minutes  

[Eclipse4349]

Am I the only one astounded by the complexity of their modelling?

 

Calculating oil viscosity as a function of temperature is incredible attention to detail.

 

 

 

11. Oil viscosity changes correctly with temperature, resulting in faster engine failures when the oil is overheated.

I am impressed also.  I love this stuff. They'll be getting my $$ for sure 

 

Unrelated question... the badges that show up under people's avatar.... are they founders badges, as in, preorders?  Or do they simply show what someone owns, and have to be manually "switched on"?

[JtD]

These are founder badges as in pre-orders.

[Eclipse4349]

OK, I thought so. Thanks!

[Nightrise]

e. I have to start work on my next task since Monday.

 Bodenplatte hype? 

[TaleSpin-Letoras]

Hello everybody. P-39 had the engine behind the cockpit?

I wonder how much different the flight would be.

Can't wait for BoK to be released!!!

[MeoW.Scharfi]

Hello everybody. P-39 had the engine behind the cockpit? I wonder how much different the flight would be.

 

Yes it had, i hope the P39 will spin a lot as it supposed to be. Then my ace in a flight with P39 can come.    

Edited January 28, 2018 by MeoW.Scharfinova

[Venturi]

Good on you Mr. Solomykin! 

Edited January 28, 2018 by Venturi

[Rei-sen]

...and the the Russians also thought the Spitfire was useless :-)   Different wars and different needs.

Did the pilots really consider it useless? I wonder why. Was it due to the high altitude versions they got or because MkVs were quite outdated by that time? As for maneuverability it was at least as good as Soviet fighters.

[LukeFF]

Did the pilots really consider it useless? I wonder why. Was it due to the high altitude versions they got or because MkVs were quite outdated by that time? As for maneuverability it was at least as good as Soviet fighters.

For one thing, it wasn't designed to operate from the sorts of airstrips common in the USSR.

[Sotka94]

Did the pilots really consider it useless? I wonder why. Was it due to the high altitude versions they got or because MkVs were quite outdated by that time? As for maneuverability it was at least as good as Soviet fighters.

 

Hope this helps

 

[Tapi]

For the "cobra" fans this book seems to be a very interesting source of info (I do not own the copy yet):

https://www.amazon.com/Attack-Airacobras-American-Against-Germany/dp/0700616543/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517223228&sr=8-1&keywords=Attack+of+the+Airacobras+%3A+Soviet+Aces%2C+American+P-39s%2C+and+the+Air+War+Against+Germany

[sport02]

At first I was thinking it was an AMD issue but my laptop is Intel and nvidia and the clouds are still the same. I know when the DX11 update released there were huge problems with AMD cards and a patch was released that cured the problem but was a compromise on the graphic quality in order to do so. I can't remember if Jason said it affected the clouds as well or just the smoke effects. Anyway you can see even in a lot of screenshots some circle pattern in the clouds when seen from certain angles. Pretty sure there is a report in the bugs section about it but I don't know what they could really do about it.

 

no problem like that with nvidia ( but other problem D3D ERROR   )

this look of clouds it's only on développement  screens not accessible to players .

Edited January 29, 2018 by sport02

[Rei-sen]

Hope this helps

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3KhizcH3vs

That's a great video and the channel. Well, at least in the game the ground crew has all the documents and plenty of spare parts to keep it on top of it's performance:)

[Nosedive_Ned]

Very, very nice.

 

looking forward to the update. So much so, that I open the IL2 launcher everyday in hope that the update is ready lol............

 

One question I have as I haven't been able to find the info. With the Career mode, does that mean we can start afresh? Does it mean we can have multiple careers? I would love that. It would be cool to be able to have a Fighter career and a Bomber career etc A little bit like the old IL2 Which I have been having some fun playing recently as Steam had the collection on sale for a less than a Fiver !!! 

 

Anyway, whatever happens and whenever it launches I await with much hope

 

I'm not in a rush. 

[Eclipse4349]

With the Career mode, does that mean we can start afresh? Does it mean we can have multiple careers? I would love that. It would be cool to be able to have a Fighter career and a Bomber career etc

This would be cool, and it would make sense logically. I'm very much looking forward to it, also!

[-HF-Aardvark892]

Did I miss it?  Has no one said the dreaded two words yet?

 

"Two Weeks!"

 

I miss Oleg Maddox and his whole team that brought us the wonderful original Il2 Sturmovik series.

 

I'm also already a dedicated fan of the current BoX team... the work they've shown here is unbelievable.

 

Tim

[Field-Ops]

...

One question I have as I haven't been able to find the info. With the Career mode, does that mean we can start afresh? Does it mean we can have multiple careers? I would love that. It would be cool to be able to have a Fighter career and a Bomber career etc A little bit like the old IL2 Which I have been having some fun playing recently as Steam had the collection on sale for a less than a Fiver !!! 

 

Anyway, whatever happens and whenever it launches I await with much hope

 

I'm not in a rush. 

Career mode has been stated to be comparable to RoF's career system with a bit more to it, and more functions and missions as time goes on. So with that said I would be surprised to see that not be the case. 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

I had tried the ROF Career until now. It is VERY good! 

[planesyplanesy]

Always a pleasure to read the regular updates. Very excited and cant wait for the latest upgrades. Looking forward very much to the career mode and 'Bodenplatte' when it is released. Keep up the excellent work guys. 

 

Planesy

[Nosedive_Ned]

Career mode has been stated to be comparable to RoF's career system with a bit more to it, and more functions and missions as time goes on. So with that said I would be surprised to see that not be the case

 

Thanks, I have never tried ROF - So not familiar with the Career system on there, the screenshots look great and I am very much looking forward to the update