Who is going to buy and fly the G-6?

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Sure, pure idolatry. That’s why I’ve openly criticized loads of design decissions, including a-historical ones like the inclusion of the MC 202 and P-40E in the Moscow campaign and not having the MG-FFs as standard loadout for the Fw 190s.

You seem to read my activity here very selectively.

[edited]

 

You cant do that here, I said this several times already in the past weeks but it seems some didnt read it: Im really tired of all personals attacks.

 

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Edited January 12, 2018 by SYN_Haashashin

[ShamrockOneFive]

IIRC the G2 has an armoured plate in the rear fuselage to protect the fuel tank and somewhat strengthened wing structure, so it should feel slightly more durable.

 

Interesting. I didn't know that. Are there other changes to the G-4 and G-6 for durability sake?

 

I've taken to flying the G-2 instead of the F-4... probably because I'm a contrarian and I like to fly what other people don't but I do like flying the G-2. It does make you think and work for it but it feels fast. I've also recently taken to flying the G-4 a fair bit.

[1_Robert_]

Interesting. I didn't know that. Are there other changes to the G-4 and G-6 for durability sake?

 

I've taken to flying the G-2 instead of the F-4... probably because I'm a contrarian and I like to fly what other people don't but I do like flying the G-2. It does make you think and work for it but it feels fast. I've also recently taken to flying the G-4 a fair bit.

Same. And I like the simplicity of engine management. For combat power I just open the throttle full and that’s it, no need to adjust or play with anything.

[1_Robert_]

And it has 3 minutes and 30 seconds of some sort of WEP, where you can run on 2800RPM, gaining only a bit worse acceleration and climb rate to F4 on WEP, but F4 blows after a minute, you can go 2 and half more :D

I don’t understand this. How do you get beyond combat power for 2 minutes? I thought G2 doesn’t get Emergency Power like the G4 and F 109s? Excuse my ignorance, just trying to learn

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

I don’t understand this. How do you get beyond combat power for 2 minutes? I thought G2 doesn’t get Emergency Power like the G4 and F 109s? Excuse my ignorance, just trying to learn

With manual prop pitch you can make the RPM rise to the ones used in the emergency power in the other 109s, it will still be 1.3 ata of manifold pressure, but you will gain some acceleration and speed.

Edited January 13, 2018 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[MeoW.Scharfi]

I did and I will fly it a lot! 109 <3 

[curiousGamblerr]

I did and I will fly it a lot! 109 <3 

 

I'm really not looking forward to you having even bigger guns 

[1_Robert_]

With manual prop pitch you can make the RPM rise to the ones used in the emergency power in the other 109s, it will still be 1.3 ata of manifold pressure, but you will gain some acceleration and speed.

Ok thanks, that makes sense.

So one can expect to get 2+ mins of Emergency power with this model then? Is that only the G2 and not the G4 (or 6)?

[D3adCZE]

Ok thanks, that makes sense.

So one can expect to get 2+ mins of Emergency power with this model then? Is that only the G2 and not the G4 (or 6)?

With 109 G2 you can keep 2800 RPM at 1.3 ATA for up to 3 minutes and 30 seconds depending on speed and temperatures. However, it is hard to keep, since with manual prop pitch you can overrev your engine in a second. I do not know about G4 and possible G6, since I do not own any of them. I will ask a friend to do the testing.

[Blackhawk_FR]

With 109 G2 you can keep 2800 RPM at 1.3 ATA for up to 3 minutes and 30 seconds depending on speed and temperatures. However, it is hard to keep, since with manual prop pitch you can overrev your engine in a second. I do not know about G4 and possible G6, since I do not own any of them. I will ask a friend to do the testing.

 

I've tried this with G2 also, but I didnt gain any speed. Did you?

[JtD]

In theory you should gain a bit in a climb in general, but in speed only above ~7km. Only above ~7km the engine will produce more power than at 2600rpm, and only at low speeds the propeller will be more efficient. At lower altitude and high speed there isn't really any advantage in increasing rpm.

[[N.O.G.F]_Cathal_Brugha]

 

You need to take things in context of what the needs of the Luftwaffe were when the design changes of the G6 were requested.

 

1. By mid 1943 the Luftwaffe required heavier armament to increase the damage done on the heavy bobmers, not more speed or maneuverability.  The improved 13mm MGs were worth the loss of 20 KPH.  A few seconds turn time means nothing when your main target is slow heavy bombers like the B17.
2. When the 109G6 was introduced in 1943 it was quite common that allied heavy bombers were not even escorted all the way to their targets deep inside Germany.  Look at the Schweinfurt raids for examples of this.
3. By mid 1943 the Luftwaffe were not able to spend as much time training pilots.  So it was more important to have aircraft that had a better survivability for these rookies.  The 109 with larger main wheel and the longer unretractable tail wheel had improved ground handling.  As such it was easier for the rookies to handle.
4. The the Allied airforces were introducing design refinements to their fighters to improve performance.  The Germans were refining their fighters to take on the heavy bombers.  So more armour and armament was the main aim and this had the effect of reducing performance.
5. The fact is the 109G6 was still a capable fighter despite this fundamental and necessary change in design philosophy.

 

This

Many people probably stick to the F models for dogfighting maneuverability. I have bought and will fly the 109G6 as I like flying all the different planes of both sides, not just the "best" for an online dogfight, but then again I also play a lot of singleplayer. Besides, even if they are not as good as the M2 Browning .50 cal (Awesome!) I like the 12.7mm MGs.

Edited January 14, 2018 by Cathal_Brugha

[Higaluto]

Same. And I like the simplicity of engine management. For combat power I just open the throttle full and that’s it, no need to adjust or play with anything.

Its the same in the G4 in a way, just go 80% if you are worried, and that extra 20% throttle is realy nice to have in certain situasions.

[D3adCZE]

I've tried this with G2 also, but I didnt gain any speed. Did you?

BF-109G2, map stalingrad summer

alt 300m indicated

100% on automatic(1.3ATA and 2600RPM):

max speed 510kph

manual(1.3ATA 2800RPM):

530kph max speed with 10% water radiators, engine blew up after 3 minutes and 30 seconds.

 

I've got better acceleration and climb rate as well.

 

Climb at optimal climbing speed with 15 to 20% radiators(depends on temperature), 1.3 ATA and 2800RPM is about 1-3 m/s faster than on 100% auto(depending on alt). This has saved my bottom from helicoptering yaks many times.

G2 can sustain even 2900RPM for some time, but I do not recommend it, since it depletes combat power insanely fast for only small power gain. Here are my readings for 2900 RPM

 

2900 RPM 1.3 ATA 530 kph with 15% rads on 300m alt indicated, sustained for 1:38, then I got engine damaged and significant loss of power.

with 10% rads it gainst no speed but 10 sec less.

3000 RPM is slower than 2800 and 2900 and you kill your engine in 2 minutes (I dont understand why it takes longer than 2800 and 2900).

Above 3000 RPM and your engine blows in seconds.

 

From what I've seen, I think that time before engine damage is based on temperature. Keep it below 110 degrees and you are ok.

Moreover, I recommend using manual rads over 4km of alt, since auto might cause overheating on 100% power 1.3 ATA and 2600 RPM.

[przybysz86]

With 109 G2 you can keep 2800 RPM at 1.3 ATA for up to 3 minutes and 30 seconds depending on speed and temperatures. However, it is hard to keep, since with manual prop pitch you can overrev your engine in a second. I do not know about G4 and possible G6, since I do not own any of them. I will ask a friend to do the testing.

I've done some quick test on G4 like this some time ago. IIRC I've used 1.35-1.37ATA (I think it was around 90% throttle and RPM was around 2700) and I've clocked how long it takes for engine to blow up.

Then I've tried using lower RPM and higher ATA to match the same speed and then higher RPM and lower ATA and in both times I've clocked the engine again.

 

I do not remember exact results but I remember that it was best to run partial WEP (1.35-1.37ATA) in 109G4 rather than 1.3 ATA and say 2800RPM or 1.42 ATA and 2600RPM.

 

using manual setting give no visible performance gain (or in case of 1.3 ATA@2600 slight performance loss) and does kill your engine even faster than partial auto WEP.

Edited January 15, 2018 by przybysz86

[OrLoK]

Ill buy it but ill likely not fly it all that much.

 

I appreciate it being available though.

[=X51=VC_]

Do we know if an Erla canopy is likely to turn up as a modification option?

[A_radek]

If online pilots start moving over from the f4 to the la5fn or some other new red aircraft, and teams start stacking the other way, I will definitely fly the g6.

[OrLoK]

Do we know if an Erla canopy is likely to turn up as a modification option?

I didn't know about that! Interesting!.

[=X51=VC_]

I didn't know about that! Interesting!.

I don't know about it either I was just asking! Erla canopy introduction was end of 1943, possibly after the time frame of BoK but maybe just close enough to include?

[MeoW.Scharfi]

30 mm was actually not in Kuban, but they will add it. Even if I think that historical WoL Map rotation will ban it anyway. But Erla Canopy? I don't think so that they will include it. But it would still make sense in Bodenplatte!

[curiousGamblerr]

If online pilots start moving over from the f4 to the la5fn or some other new red aircraft, and teams start stacking the other way, I will definitely fly the g6.

 

Same here. This is my prediction...

 

 

"Hello Kamerad, err, Tovarisch! What a nice Lavochkin you have there..."

[Livai]

Better ask the Question who is going to fly the G-2 in BoS and G-4 in BoK in SP anymore? The two planes can be easily replaced by the G-6 without to break the history.........  

[D3adCZE]

"Hello Kamerad, err, Tovarisch! What a nice Lavochkin you have there..."

... it would be shame, if it ceased to exist after it gets acquainted with my mk108 Minengeschoß rounds.

I've done some quick test on G4 like this some time ago. IIRC I've used 1.35-1.37ATA (I think it was around 90% throttle and RPM was around 2700) and I've clocked how long it takes for engine to blow up.

Then I've tried using lower RPM and higher ATA to match the same speed and then higher RPM and lower ATA and in both times I've clocked the engine again.

 

I do not remember exact results but I remember that it was best to run partial WEP (1.35-1.37ATA) in 109G4 rather than 1.3 ATA and say 2800RPM or 1.42 ATA and 2600RPM.

 

using manual setting give no visible performance gain (or in case of 1.3 ATA@2600 slight performance loss) and does kill your engine even faster than partial auto WEP.

 

Which is interesting, because G4 should have same engine as G2 but with unlocked ATA limit.

[MeoW.Scharfi]

 

 

Better ask the Question who is going to fly the G-2 in BoS and G-4 in BoK in SP anymore? The two planes can be easily replaced by the G-6 without to break the history.........

 

In my opinion, the G2 is still the best BnZ Fighter out there. Of course I will fly the G4 and G6 like there is no tomorrow. It has the best Climbrate from all planes in BoX. G4 is slightly worse in performance and climbrate and G6 will be even more worse, which of course doesn't stop me from flying it, just a rating for it.

 

I hope we will get the not-derated Bf 109 G2, just like La5 became La5F. 

[Finkeren]

Better ask the Question who is going to fly the G-2 in BoS and G-4 in BoK in SP anymore? The two planes can be easily replaced by the G-6 without to break the history.........

The G6 is only relevant for BoK from mid-43 and not at all for BoS, so no.

[GP*]

Though the La-5FN will be quite a fighter, I don’t think it’ll draw too many away from the 109. For those who only choose the best performing aircraft, they will likely be turned off by the engine management required (simplified in this game, but still present). For the more experienced 109 pilots, they fly it due to the historical immersion aspect. Mock the “wannabe Hartmanns” all you want, but the 109 is obviously iconic and draws those who love the 109 as much as they love WWII aviation as a whole.

[A_radek]

LOL. A couple of weeks after the release...

yall-got-any-more-of-them-lavochkins.jpg

 

:D

 

 

Though the La-5FN will be quite a fighter, I don’t think it’ll draw too many away from the 109. For those who only choose the best performing aircraft, they will likely be turned off by the engine management required (simplified in this game, but still present). For the more experienced 109 pilots, they fly it due to the historical immersion aspect. Mock the “wannabe Hartmanns” all you want, but the 109 is obviously iconic and draws those who love the 109 as much as they love WWII aviation as a whole.

While funny I think the 19// boys, like me, are just jealous. Your probably right. The Fn will have some more hp added to an already big amount of it. And together with the canopy I don't think these changes will have too many blue going red. I predicted the spitfire launch would even things up in my time zone but that vision failed to appear. And yeah understandable why so many favorize the 109. If the Spit gets the title of most beautiful fighter the 109 should definitely have that of the meanest looking.

[JtD]

Sorry, 'meanest looking' goes to the Hawker Typhoon. The Bf109 is pure elegance compared to that.

Edited January 16, 2018 by JtD

[Warpig]

I like to describe the 109 as "Sinister"

[Finkeren]

The Bf 109 is the Draco Malfoy of WW2 aviation.

 

Edited January 16, 2018 by Finkeren

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Sorry, 'meanest looking' goes to the Hawker Typhoon. The Bf109 is pure elegance compared to that.

Yeah the Typhoon looks quite nasty with the big radiator intake and the four protruding cannons.

[Bilbo_Baggins]

Im intrigued by the 13mm. We'll see how they turn out in game.

Personally I don't think they'll be too exciting. The 13mm is on the Heinkel H16 dorsal gunner and it's definitely not good. Poor ballistics and way smaller cartridge than a .50BMG or Russian 12.7mm. 

[Livai]

The G6 is only relevant for BoK from mid-43 and not at all for BoS, so no.

 

For me not, plain and simple as long it has the same Engine and Power.

[Mac_Messer]

Personally I don't think they'll be too exciting. The 13mm is on the Heinkel H16 dorsal gunner and it's definitely not good. Poor ballistics and way smaller cartridge than a .50BMG or Russian 12.7mm. 

Because it wasn`t as good as either of those. In reality.

While funny I think the 19// boys, like me, are just jealous. Your probably right. The Fn will have some more hp added to an already big amount of it. And together with the canopy I don't think these changes will have too many blue going red. I predicted the spitfire launch would even things up in my time zone but that vision failed to appear. And yeah understandable why so many favorize the 109. If the Spit gets the title of most beautiful fighter the 109 should definitely have that of the meanest looking.

Rear visibility is what I acknowledged the most about the FN, both as its ally and enemy. Leaves me hopeful for the 109G6 at least getting the glass headrest, so maybe my fingers could be undamaged (from all the leaning in and out).

[Finkeren]

Rear visibility is what I acknowledged the most about the FN, both as its ally and enemy. Leaves me hopeful for the 109G6 at least getting the glass headrest, so maybe my fingers could be undamaged (from all the leaning in and out).

Since both the G2 and G4 has it, the G6 should absolutely get the glass headrest, I can’t imagine why it wouldn’t.

 

I’m a bit more iffy on the Erla Haube. I don’t recall at what date it was introduced, but if it fits the BoK time frame, it should be there too.

[Mac_Messer]

I really was just joking about people flocking to the La-5FN...that is just not going to happen.

 

But you do make an interesting point. I've bought and flown all the content in BOX, and can't see any reason why a BF 109 or the LW in general would offer players more in the way of "historical immersion" than a Yak or the VVS...but that certainly seems the case, in the Anglosphere at least.

 

Personally I find the Soviet planes more diverse and interesting, but I have no illusions about being the next Pokryshkin or whatever.

BoS was the first title that made me appreciate VVS planes, for some reason. Huge fun flying them casually since looking at the dashcam is somewhat more intensive than in 109/190.

 

The single fact however, that allied planeset is so diverse, often has a deterring influence on the quality of flying. And so I got to fly the 109, exceptionally 190 through the whole war. I know the aircraft.

[Cybermat47]

I’m a bit more iffy on the Erla Haube. I don’t recall at what date it was introduced, but if it fits the BoK time frame, it should be there too.

I think it should be there even if it only fits the BoBp timeline. It’s a great upgrade that gets rid of one of the Gustav’s biggest weaknesses, and if it doesn’t fit the timeline for a certain mission, multiplayer servers can lock it, and those in singleplayer can just choose not to use it.

 

It was in service by November 1943, but I’m not sure when it started to see service, or if it reached the units that took part in the BoK before the end of the battle.

Edited January 16, 2018 by FFS_Cybermat47

[Trooper117]

All I can remember about the Erla Haube is that it was introduced late in 1943... If it wasn't in service during the timeline that the dev's are using I can't see it being included.

[Finkeren]

I think it should be there even if it only fits the BoBp timeline. It’s a great upgrade that gets rid of one of the Gustav’s biggest weaknesses, and if it doesn’t fit the timeline for a certain mission, multiplayer servers can lock it, and those in singleplayer can just choose not to use it.

 

It was in service by November 1943, but I’m not sure when it started to see service, or if it reached the units that took part in the BoK before the end of the battle.

November 1943 is close enough in my book. I think it should be there.