Who is going to buy and fly the G-6?

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I am with you Fenris Wolf.

 

We already lost very important mods and engine settings here because people cannot find the proper paper signed by Hitler. No paper, no real.

 

All those German detailed procedures from beginning of war were cast aside due to frontline operations reality. Just take a look how German planes were painted and marked in 1940 and how it was done later, barely an id number on fuselage.

 

Make all relevant mods available when you are building an aircraft. Let's users later decide if it should be locked or not in theirs servers, coops, single missions, etc.

 

Devs evolved a lot for bringing on the mk108 along the G6.

Edited January 6, 2018 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[Finkeren]

The difference of course is, that the use of the MK 108 actually fits BoK timeframe.

[Lusekofte]

I already bought 3 and donated them, I guess that means I buy it and will not fly it. 

Many say the golden age of the 109 was the Emil and the F model, after that the opponents catched up in skills and machines, and I think it is true sort of. The G 6 looks cool and dangerous, but it offer only more danger to us flying bombers and IL 2. I think PE 2 will get less effective in its defence with this bird around

[Mac_Messer]

I bought the 109G6 several days after it got on sale.

IMO it looks the best out of all 109s and I prefer its more powerful weaponry over more ammo. It`s also the most challenging and rewarding 109 to fly. I flew several hundred online missions with it in 1946 and I`m used to it unlike any other WWII airplane.

 

Because of the G6 being the most produced 109 ever I was opposed against including the G4 in BoK. In realistic coop missions players should be given the most popular aircraft at their time, so even in future 1944 online scenarios people should fly it. But now when it is only a collector plane it will be a problem to actually get it in an online mission. It will be a problem as the G6 being behind a paywall will surely donwgrade its numbers online.

[Mac_Messer]

We don’t want the MW 50 for an early Bf 109G6, because it didn’t have it, plain and simple.

 

Just like we don’t want our early La-5FN to have the performance that later, more refined, series had.

 

Not difficult at all to understand.

We? Who we? Maybe you.

 

I want people to have opions that are restrictable by server.

 

Not difficult at all to understand.

Fenris: What you won’t accept (I think you are perfectly capable of understanding it) is that the MW 50 doesn’t fit with an early production G6 nor does it fit with the time frame of BoK. Therefore it does not belong in this sim just yet.

 

The G14 of BOBP is s different story ofc. That one will have MW 50 as standard.

You are not the one to decide what belongs in this sim.

"Needing" Mw50 on G6 is a bit like "needing" aluminium spar late wing (and many other upgrades) on the FN which only was produced in 44

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Heaven forbid if on realease day of BoK the players had the audasity to introduce late 1943/early 1944 missions!

[Dakpilot]

 

Heaven forbid if on realease day of BoK the players had the audasity to introduce late 1943/early 1944 missions!

 

Well if you have to have a June 44 equipped 109 then 'we' should have the Feb 44 La-7  !!

 

Do you not see how the argument goes...

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Mac_Messer]

Well if you have to have a June 44 equipped 109 then 'we' should have the Feb 44 La-7  !!

 

Do you not see how the argument goes...

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Obviously you do not understand the difference between same plane model with mods/fieldmods from a whole different model.

[JtD]

If the G-6 included an MW50 option and a 1944 La-7, I'd buy two of them. That would simply be awesome!

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

G-6 is a G-6. Leave it up to the server administrators and mission designers to build the missions like they want to, with what kits are available by their own choice. They should have that freedom.

[Finkeren]

I want an La-7 to gun down P-51s in Kozhedub-style

G-6 is a G-6. Leave it up to the server administrators and mission designers to build the missions like they want to, with what kits are available by their own choice. They should have that freedom.

A G6 is no more a G6 than an La-5FN is an La-5FN.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Plane sets that are contemporary with the update title/map time period, end of story.

 

If you want to start an arms race that will lead to chaos then let the doors fly open and allow anything, but I'd better get my B-29 with Little Boy or Fat Man, and my P-82 and and P 80 for escorts.

[Lusekofte]

You are not the one to decide what belongs in this sim.

 

So historical performance do not matter when it comes to LW, only YAK and LA 5? 

This site is bombarded about claims of over performing Red fighters, and when we get a early G6 suddenly it is ok to get a late G6 instead. Why not get Bodenplatte planes while we are at it?

Your opinion are based on a illusion that there is no difference in a early G6 and a late one. It is a tremendous difference 

Edited January 6, 2018 by 216th_LuseKofte

[ShamrockOneFive]

Obviously you do not understand the difference between same plane model with mods/fieldmods from a whole different model.

 

The trouble with this is all of the exceptions. An early model Bf109G-6 and a late model Bf109G-6 might as well be different aircraft given the huge number of changes over the course of development. Indeed they were trying to reconcile all of the modifications on the G-6 line into something resembling some order when they did the G-14.

[TRRA15]

I will. Because it sounds like an interesting plane to fly. Because it rounds out the collection of available airplanes to fly. Because I buy all the available planes anyway

[CrazyDuck]

Of course I would and I will.

 

It's historical, besides that it offers a plethora of armament/equipment options.

[Caudron431]

Obviously you do not understand the difference between same plane model with mods/fieldmods from a whole different model.

Actually G6 was a common designation for different aircraft. Late G6 would have for instance Erla canopy that would require a lot of 3D work for the team. Also late model would have a taller fin for more stability and this would also require 3D work and of course work on FM. Some had (G6AS) More aerodynamic cowling instead of bulges, that is also 3D and FM work...

 

So really i think G6 were actually different aircraft with the same denomination. That makes Dakpilot argument quite right IMHO.

Edited January 6, 2018 by Caudron431Micha

[=RvE=Windmills]

 

 

Make all relevant mods available when you are building an aircraft. Let's users later decide if it should be locked or not in theirs servers, coops, single missions, etc.

 

Have you considered that this is extra work and research to be done, plus that it will be less incentive to invest in bobp since you'll have what amounts to a G14 already?

 

'Just make it all available' is kind of a crazy statement when it is not free to produce it all.

 

In the same sense, give us a late FN/S66 LaGG/early yak 1 etc as a 'modification' is clearly an unreasonable thing to ask to be done for free.

[III/JG52_Otto_-I-]

With all Love Fenris, but here you are simply completely out of our Timeframe. MW50 was retrofitted to some 109G-6s, but not unil April to May 1944, and that's less than 80, and all of those were used in the West. 

 

The first 109 to come out of the Factory with MW50 came in June, and the first ones to hit the Eastern Front most likely took at least until August 1944. 

It's just a Year late. 

 

As much as I would like it as well, it is anachronistic, 

That mean that, when devs release the Battle of Bodenplatte, ,,they add the MW-50 for the G-6??   ...I think NO, .I prefer that they released the MW-50 when they release the airplane, ..always the Russian servers can limit the options, for historical accuracy  or for balancing the game, as usually they are doing in the "Wing of Liberty". 

[ShamrockOneFive]

The G-14 will be the plane that all of the MW50 folks are wanting. And that is coming. But then so is the K-4...   

[Finkeren]

That mean that, when devs release the Battle of Bodenplatte, ,,they add the MW-50 for the G-6?? ...I think NO, .I prefer that they released the MW-50 when they release the airplane, ..always the Russian servers can limit the options, for historical accuracy or for balancing the game, as usually they are doing in the "Wing of Liberty".

The early G6 won’t be very good fit for BOBP in the first place. A mid-1943 fighter serving in early 1945? That would have been a rare sight indeed. And the late model G6 that would have been in widespread service in 1945 would be almost indistinguishable from the G14.

 

Just fly the G14 and you get everything you want and you’re flying a timeframe-appropriate plane.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Finkeren, why do you even spam into the Thread if you don't fly online?

[Finkeren]

Finkeren, why do you even spam into the Thread if you don't fly online?

Who says I don’t.

 

Haven’t flown for a couple weeks because my rig has been packed away to make room for Xmas and New Years celebrations, but before that I flew online 3-4 times a week and will again soon.

[Oubaas]

Aw crap. I've accidentally clicked on the link to the Brand-X forum again! Which aircraft module are they arguing about now? Damn jets. There's never any peace with that crowd.

 

Where's my bookmarks? I've got the link to the IL-2 BoX forum here somewhere. Now that's a nice, friendly community over there...

[ShamrockOneFive]

The early G6 won’t be very good fit for BOBP in the first place. A mid-1943 fighter serving in early 1945? That would have been a rare sight indeed. And the late model G6 that would have been in widespread service in 1945 would be almost indistinguishable from the G14.

 

Just fly the G14 and you get everything you want and you’re flying a timeframe-appropriate plane.

 

That does make sense doesn't it....  

Aw crap. I've accidentally clicked on the link to the Brand-X forum again! Which aircraft module are they arguing about now? Damn jets. There's never any peace with that crowd.

 

Where's my bookmarks? I've got the link to the IL-2 BoX forum here somewhere. Now that's a nice, friendly community over there...

 

I'm sure we'll return to the regular programming post haste!

[CUJO_1970]

Poor dude asks for MW50 and =won teh war= comes unhinged.

 

Atomic bombs...lol.

 

The sheer volume of police work some of you do when someone wants a particular variant or feature on a (gasp!) German aircraft must be exhausting.

Somebody asked for MW-50 on the internet!

 

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Leave it as a G6 early and wait for Bodenplatte to get the later modifications wrapped up in the G14.

 

Mission designers are seemingly crap at limiting planes and mods historically. Let's have this slice of history play out before jumping all the way ahead to 44/45.

 

It's likely the G14 and Spit9 and 190A8 will be first out in BoBP so that will be a step into mid '44.

[9./JG27DefaultFace]

Theres nothing wrong with having it as a mod. Would be cool to have as it would be a G14 but with the early rudder essentially.

 

But there is no way that the mod should be allowed in a 1943 scenario on a server that wants historical.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

The difference of course is, that the use of the MK 108 actually fits BoK timeframe.

https://m.imgur.com/account/rpgielow/images/ogpk193

 

http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/AirWar/61/01.htm

 

So one weight and two measures?!?! Time frame yes but on western front only. It is well documented. But everyone here knows your idolatry about everything devs do, even when they take a step away from historic facts.

 

But don't worry, it is the right road to take. Just don't try to use a half truth to look good in forums.

Edited January 9, 2018 by Bearcat

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

 

'Just make it all available' is kind of a crazy statement when it is not free to produce it all.

All relevant mods and not all mods available. Please don't distort my words.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

All relevant mods and not all mods available. Please don't distort my words.

Well, MW50 is not relevant.

Edited January 7, 2018 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[=RvE=Windmills]

All relevant mods and not all mods available. Please don't distort my words.

 

Clearly MW50 is not a relevant mod for a 1943 eastern front G6

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Guys, this discussion is a bit pointless... The plane is coming in a few weeks, so it's already decided if it's going to have it or not. We will find out in some time.


As long as it is a mod I don't think it would be a problem... if it doesn't have it, well at least there's Bodenplatte's G-14 which would come by April.

Edited January 7, 2018 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

I know many who prefer the E7 as better turner ?

and on WOL you have no choice but to turn with VVS under 3,000M
Or you can just ignore team and mission be a douche coward and hide @ 6-8K in a F4

[Dakpilot]

Poor dude asks for MW50 and =won teh war= comes unhinged.

 

Atomic bombs...lol.

 

The sheer volume of police work some of you do when someone wants a particular variant or feature on a (gasp!) German aircraft must be exhausting.

Somebody asked for MW-50 on the internet!

 

 

If You think it is clever, or it makes you feel good to take the piss out of people who want some sort of historical accuracy then fine...

 

But I think most would be just as critical on those wanting/demanding a P-39Q or 1944 model La-5FN/La-7, or a 43/44 performing 1941 P-40E,  it is nothing to do with "German" aircraft

 

The G6 and Fn were announced as aircraft intended for Late Kuban period to enhance that release 

\

This is just childish, unless you want convo's/discussion to descend into 'angry german kid memes'

 

But carry on 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Finkeren]

Poor dude asks for MW50 and =won teh war= comes unhinged.

 

Atomic bombs...lol.

 

The sheer volume of police work some of you do when someone wants a particular variant or feature on a (gasp!) German aircraft must be exhausting.

Actually the case was something different. Fenris claimed, that the MW 50 was standard equipment on the G6 and thus should be available for our early G6. He was corrected on this, and that really should have been the end of it, but then people started moving the goal posts.

[Finkeren]

So one weight and two measures?!?! Time frame yes but on western front only.

Actually yes, that has been the standard for this sim, like it or not, from the very beginning. That’s why we got the Fw 190A3 for Stalingrad in the first place and the P-40E for Moscow. Both existed within their respectively time frames but on different fronts.

 

Personally, I’d like a bit more stringent historical accuracy, but that’s the standard that has been set, and at least it’s consistent.

[Finkeren]

But everyone here knows your idolatry about everything devs do, even when they take a step away from historic facts.

Sure, pure idolatry. That’s why I’ve openly criticized loads of design decissions, including a-historical ones like the inclusion of the MC 202 and P-40E in the Moscow campaign and not having the MG-FFs as standard loadout for the Fw 190s.

 

You seem to read my activity here very selectively.

[JtD]

That's probably because Fw lists them as optional in about every manual and documentation they've made. But it's hardly the topic to discuss that again.

[Blackhawk_FR]

I know many who prefer the E7 as better turner ?

 

and on WOL you have no choice but to turn with VVS under 3,000M

Or you can just ignore team and mission be a douche coward and hide @ 6-8K in a F4

 

You can outclimb even at low altitude. Which is much more interesting because instead of leaving the area, you come back immediatly in the fight with the advantage. 

Edited January 7, 2018 by F/JG300_Faucon

[Willy__]

Poor dude asks for MW50 and =won teh war= comes unhinged.

 

Atomic bombs...lol.

 

The sheer volume of police work some of you do when someone wants a particular variant or feature on a (gasp!) German aircraft must be exhausting.

Somebody asked for MW-50 on the internet!

 

 

[Edited]

 

Gotta be cautios... 

 

     

Edited January 8, 2018 by Bearcat