Who is going to buy and fly the G-6?

[Blackhawk_FR]

1 hour ago, Mcdaddy said:

 

Pretty sure he meant the La5FN will beat the G6 in barrel rolls, as the Messerschmitts ailerons can't even compare with the FN at any point of the speed spectrum, let alone the G6. Very poor ailerons. 

 

 

No he understood well 

La5FN definitly have wonderful/crazy roll rate, but (to me) it doesn't help him much in a tight dogfight against a ligher 109. Btw, with some rudder input, you have enough roll rate to stand well in a dogfight. 

La5FN seems also heavier on elevator than early La5, at any speed. 

Edited March 15, 2018 by F/JG300_Faucon

[MrNoice]

the new La5 flies like a ufo XD  so easy to get kills with it ... in my opinion

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

I have only tested it offline and the guns are like the hammer of the gods with MK 108 installed and only slightly less remarkable with the 20mm. To me, the plane feels heavier, which I anticipated. It also feels like it accelerates more sluggishly than the earlier "G" series airframes. It's seems to be an excellent airplane, so long as you don't get too slow. I tried a few looping maneuvers, some at high speed and some near stall at the top of the loop. High speed is of course, no problem, but I found that I was slowing the plane right to edge of the flight envelope at the top of the loop, it got VERY "mushy". Even more so than the previous G models. On one slow loop, I did not get much warning at all before the plane departed controlled flight all at once and I found myself in an inverted flat spin that was unrecoverable (from around 2K). When it enters an advanced stall, it falls like a stone.

 

Overall....I LOVE IT! It hits like a hammer and is plenty fast enough. I am just going to have to choose my battles more carefully and pay very close attention to my energy management. When it comes to battling the FN, I am not afraid to engage him at all....I just wont hang around long with him.

 

I'm probably stating the obvious with all this, but these are just my very humble observations. Most of you are better virtual pilots than me anyway.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

So it's a ufo because it's easy to get kills or what ? 

[Wolfram-Harms]

5 hours ago, MeoW.Scharfi said:

Bf 109 G6: Ace in a Flight (30mm/MK108)

 

30 mm ist auch 'ne Art Musik - scharfe Sach, das!

[Voidhunger]

I realy like the g variant, seems to me that turns better, hangs in the turns better , it has excellent firepower and its but is slow as hell near the ground. No way to catch anything even at emergency power if the enemy disengage from fight. (Only when the AI slows down). But I love it! Looking forward to the Bodenplate!

[MrNoice]

1 hour ago, =362nd_FS=Hiromachi said:

So it's a ufo because it's easy to get kills or what ? 

its like an acrobatic plane.... you can turn fast even at high speeds and outturn a 109

[Blackhawk_FR]

5 minutes ago, KG_S_MrFies said:

its like an acrobatic plane.... you can turn fast even at high speeds and outturn a 109

 

It's rolling like an aerobatic plane but no, it doesn't turn so well. At high speed stick become hard just like 109.

Do you adjust horizontal stab and use some flaps?

Edited March 15, 2018 by F/JG300_Faucon

[CrazyDuck]

Mein Gott, the 131s on G6 are deadly! My purely subjective feeling might be clouded by excitement of the new release, so some objective testing would be needed to confirm, but they seem true heavy hitters for .50 caliber class weapon! I've just dispatched 3 IL-2s (shooting at them from behind) with these buggers on a single ammo load. I'd expect them to be somewhat comparable to the 12,7 mm SAFAT - representing the weaker end of the .50 cal weapon spectrum - but hey, they seem to be up there with the big guns!

 

Together with the Mk 108 the G6 steps far, far ahead of any other 109 in term of hitting power - for a price of what seems almost negligible performance and agility loss. 

[Luftschiff]

The G6 impressed me, I was expecting a total dog but there's something between the feeling of weight and the engine and the guns that just make it feel powerful. Far more than any other 109 it gives me that feeling of the plane driving me, rather than the other way around - although it is obviously not a plane you want to bring into a knife-fight. Finkerens comparison with a freight train is perhaps  not the most generous, but not wrong. You definitely don't want to get in front of a speeding freight train.

 

I'm also loving the P39, armament is capable for both fighting and strafing, it can carry some bombs, flying characteristics are very pleasant (although middling, performance wise) and the looks, inside and out, are stellar. Those 50 cals are the best-sounding guns in the game.

 

LA5FN was ah... It honestly felt like playing an entirely different game. Perhaps it would have been better if it was within 1% of the average results of those test planes, rather than 1% above the best aggregate results, it is certainly an absolute beast, across the board. In MP it might prove very popular but I have no desire to fly it solo at the moment - and the LaGG is my favourite! 

[Wolfram-Harms]

29 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

I realy like the g variant...   ...but is slow as hell near the ground. No way to catch anything even at emergency power...

 

Well, they never did it that way; too risky to fly low all the time.

If you fly at 1500 or 2000 meter, you should still be able to find EA near the ground.
If you attack them from your altitude, you should have more than enough speed advantage to catch up with him.

Fire, and then withdraw back to altitude with the energy. hat's what they did - they wanted to survive.

[ITAF_Rani]

Tried the beast online in WOL in a sortie..first P39 down !!

Impressed me in a good way...a good mix of power about engine/guns.

Sure is not an F4 but not a brick, has a good manouvrability.

The key is to watch always to don' t lose to much energy and keep a good SA.

Combination of 13mm+20 mm is really deadly !!

Could you pls remember me the engine specs for G6?

Many thanks

 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

The dakka of the G6 is indeed very nice, you feel like you are the predator. The performance is below meh.. in MP. In SP, even the E7 is good against Yaks.

 

The 5FN allowed me to fly some circles around my targets, just the left hand on the stick, feet raised comfortable off the pedals. It's a Yeehaw! type of aircraft.

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4 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

Against the La5FN, exacly what I was expecting, may be better: We can quite easily beat it in dogfight (cisors and barrel rolls). And if G6 can, G2 will do a bit better (ligher).

 

2 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

La5FN definitly have wonderful/crazy roll rate, but (to me) it doesn't help him much in a tight dogfight against a ligher 109.

 

These are a bit surprising statements. If La5FN "rolls like crazy", is faster and has better or equal turn performance (according to specs posted by Han), how can it be easily beaten by G6 or G2 in a dogfight?

[=LD=Hethwill]

G6 definitely a deadly interceptor with the cannons. 

 

 

[Blackhawk_FR]

31 minutes ago, II./JG77_Kemp said:

These are a bit surprising statements. If La5FN "rolls like crazy", is faster and has better or equal turn performance (according to specs posted by Han), how can it be easily beaten by G6 or G2 in a dogfight?

 

Yes but how turn performances are tested? What is the entry speed of the turn? Btw it's only about a horizontal turn. Dogfight is a mix of scissors, barrel rolls, vertical maneuvers. And a lot of "handling qualities" of an aircraft can't be really defined with numbers.

But if you really want numbers to understand why 109G6 is good against La5FN, look at the weights (that doesn't explain everything but... 3100 kg vs 3300 kg).

 

 

37 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Combination of 13mm+20 mm is really deadly !!

 

So deadly that before the update I was wondering what I would prefer between the ligher G2 and the heavier G6 but with 2x13mm (without Mk108). 

Well, I definitely prefer G6 !!!

Edited March 15, 2018 by F/JG300_Faucon

[Voidhunger]

33 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

The dakka of the G6 is indeed very nice, you feel like you are the predator. The performance is below meh.. in MP. In SP, even the E7 is good against Yaks.

 

The 5FN allowed me to fly some circles around my targets, just the left hand on the stick, feet raised comfortable off the pedals. It's a Yeehaw! type of aircraft.

Enemy AI fights differently vs slower aicrafts. Its far easier to fight Migs with E7 than with F2. Never tried E7 against Yaks.

[SJ_Butcher]

G6 is quite good, it's accelerate like crazy, and have a lot of engine power, it's not that fast on deck I think it's because the damn machinegunes that, but is quite maneuverable, and against the LA5FN that plane doesn't worries me

[Blackhawk_FR]

22 minutes ago, SJ_Butcher said:

G6 is quite good, it's accelerate like crazy, and have a lot of engine power,

 

Well, just like G4, expect it's a little heavier, so it should accelerate a bit slowler. 

[SJ_Butcher]

1 minute ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

 

Well, just like G4, expect it's a little heavier, so it should accelerate a bit slowler. 

I expected that too but after testing I was wrong

[Blackhawk_FR]

So you think G6 accelerate faster than G4? 

[SJ_Butcher]

32 minutes ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

So you think G6 accelerate faster than G4? 

I Will do the test tonight, from 250kmh to 450kmh and measure the time in level flight but I am sure of that

[CUJO_1970]

G6 can handle La5FN, because of G6 climb rate...the higher the alt, the better the G6 does.

 

G6 is exactly what I was expecting and that's a good thing...fly with discipline and use her strengths and she is a joy to fly. Fly lazy and dumb and she will bite you. She is the thinking man's (or woman's :-)) fighter.

 

 

But...the 13mm expose how weak the MG151/20mm is...that lack of blast damage needs to get fixed.

Edited March 15, 2018 by CUJO_1970

[Mac_Messer]

13 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

 

At which distance do you pull away? I was close enough to make it happen almost every time - ca. 100 Meter, I guess.

 

I bank out around 220m. I tested Pe2/IL2 gunners many times from different distances. From my observation at below 150m from dead six even Average skilled AI gunner will kill the pilot.

[Blackhawk_FR]

6 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

G6 can handle La5FN, because of G6 climb rate

 

Not only climb rate... 

[Mac_Messer]

The G4-G6 transition is noticeable. The latest Me109 feels heavier but not anywhere near as the Oleg`s G6. I don`t know if I can fight an ace flying La5FN but everything else in the sim is beatable so far. Bad pilots will not appreciate the aircraft.

 

I see that I`m not the only one surprised at how the 13mm hit hard! Yesterday evening I was testing both weapons, torn apart 5xIL2 with one ammoload. This is much more I`d imagine MG151/20 hitting. Few converged hits anywhere on a fighter is a guaranteed kill, also can be done on 2-3 twing engined bombers though have to concentrate hits on limited surface - wingtip or tail - then even 3 downs are possible.

 

MK108 is in its own league. Quite hard to hit above 150m and not really suited for fast deflection kills, although I did get few kills from @400m. Basicly anywhere it hits, the targeted plane jumps from huge explosion and a very wide damage radius is made. One hit on the tail blows away elevators or the stabiliser pretty much everytime, one hit anywhere else renders the target barely flyable with huge holes. On average took me 1 hit to desintegrate IL2, 2-3 hits to do the same to Pe2 and 3 hits with A20.

 

OTOH I fiddled with Airacobra`s 37mm to compare, got slightly worse results both with HE and AP ammo. Not nearly as devastating, much more often the target`s engine died immediately than tearing off any surfaces.

 

Have to play with convergence on those guns. Did 220m, 150m, didn`t try flat trajectory yet (100m).

37 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

G6 can handle La5FN, because of G6 climb rate...the higher the alt, the better the G6 does.

 

I did some energy fighting with Yaks (7B, 1B), Spitfires and La5FN starting from  neutral @2500m. The classic spiral climb still works, barely, but FN can keep up with everything I threw at it.

 

The good thing is, if you try the same lows speed flaps fighting, the G6 reacts only slightly worse than its older brothers.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Please take the La5FN impressions with a grain of salt.

 

1:  It was a good aeroplane in real life, but out of it's element above 3000 meters.

 

2:  In game it is very good at low levels, as it should be.  Get it out of it's comfort range and then the 109 is superior, as it was in real life.

 

The FN can come close to leveling the playing field for the VVS in the sim, but it's no wonder weapon. Like any plane, if you play to it's strengths it will kill you, if you play to your plane's strengths you will carry the day.  I have shot down a few Es, Fs and G2s online in an I-16, but that's because they came down and played my game.  If the 109 pilots stay high and play the energy fight, they win almost every time.

 

Now, as to the G6, I took it out offline yesterday and found the weapons very devastating.  The 131s alone are very good, and the Mk.108, if you can hit with it consistently, is a one shot kill against fighters.  As a ground pounder it makes short work of truck columns, be sure.  I think overall I still prefer the G2, as it gives me more options for my personal flying style.  The G6 feels like what it is... heavier.  Not really my cup of tea.  However, if I was tasked with taking down bombers, or ground attack, it's the LW plane I would take.

[Aap]

1 hour ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

Yes but how turn performances are tested? What is the entry speed of the turn?

 

I am not a tester, but as devs have announced that they aim to be within a certain percentage of announced specs, I suppose they also test it somehow. How did you do your tests then?

 

2 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

Dogfight is a mix of scissors, barrel rolls, vertical maneuvers.

 

Yes, but if one plane is superior or at least equal in every parameter that affects ability to do these maneuvers, how could it be easily beaten in a dogfight, considering equal pilots?

 

2 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

But if you really want numbers to understand why 109G6 is good against La5FN, look at the weights: 3100 kg vs 3300 kg.

 

 That is one of the input parameters, together with engine powers (max 1480 HP vs 1850 HP), wing area and other parameters, but at the end it will lead to the previously mentioned specs that tell us the aircraft performance.

[D3adCZE]

I just sent money to my paypal, I hope I can still catch the discount.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

5 minutes ago, CSAF-D3adCZE said:

I just sent money to my paypal, I hope I can still catch the discount.

 

You can. Sale has been extended through the 19th.

 

 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

All of my fears have been eliminated.

 

She is, quite simply, a muthaf#&1ng BEAST. Maybe moreso than my trusty 190. Flying with only the 20mm gun plus those 13mm's is like having three 20's for hitting power. Haven't faced a Pe2 yet but the A20 is no match nor is any fighter who stays in my sights long enough for my below average aiming ability to take advantage of.

[CUJO_1970]

I hope we get a G6 Late with MW-50 and a Erla canopy some day...maybe closer to Bodenplatte. That would be fantastic.

 

The G6 we have now is awesome though, I love it.

[Nightrise]

1 hour ago, CUJO_1970 said:

I hope we get a G6 Late with MW-50 and a Erla canopy some day...maybe closer to Bodenplatte. That would be fantastic.

 

The G6 we have now is awesome though, I love it.

I mean the g 14 is basically that anyway. But i think the devs said something about giving the g6 stuff like mw50, rockets, erla haube during bodenplatte. 

[JG7_X-Man]

Bought it!

[seafireliv]

These planes are rather expensive right now. I`ll wait for a sale.