Who is going to buy and fly the G-6?

[SJ_Butcher]

I will be flying the G6. Comparing the F4 to the G2 or the G4 is silly though. The G2 is a solid downgrade in every way from the F4 and the G4 is not nearly as available on most maps. This translates to F4's being flown regularly, the G4 infrequently, and the G2 rarely or only if nothing else is available. If the G2 had an unlocked engine option it's popularity would skyrocket.

 

von Luck

 

according to the data in game, the G2 is faster than F4 and the G4 a bit faster than F4 but a bit slower than G2, why people keep saying that F4 is superior to G2? sure its more manouverable, but I use it as energy fighter same as FW190

[Retnek]

Same here, bought her asap. The "Beule" (bulge) is an icon. No longer an elegant plane, a functional tool of the war of attrition. Somewhat competitive in early 1943 the G6 soon became outgunned. But had to be flown as the main element of Luftwaffes fighter forces until 1945. It's the symbol of the doom. Imho mastering the 109 means to survive with a G6.

[Asgar]

bought it and i'm looking forward to it's release

[CUJO_1970]

The sort of people who will fly an 109 F2 on a 1941 server even if F4s are available, who will not select the 23mm on a LaGG 3 even if it is available

 

^^This^^

 

Can't wait for the G6 - I will buy it and fly it all the time.

 

She will punish incompetence and reward discipline like no other aircraft in the sim.

[Max_Damage]

I will be flying the G6. Comparing the F4 to the G2 or the G4 is silly though. The G2 is a solid downgrade in every way from the F4 and the G4 is not nearly as available on most maps. This translates to F4's being flown regularly, the G4 infrequently, and the G2 rarely or only if nothing else is available. If the G2 had an unlocked engine option it's popularity would skyrocket.

 

von Luck

Rather if the map makers kicked those f4 to distant airfields on later maps.

according to the data in game, the G2 is faster than F4 and the G4 a bit faster than F4 but a bit slower than G2, why people keep saying that F4 is superior to G2? sure its more manouverable, but I use it as energy fighter same as FW190

Except when you engage warptime emergency power f4 outruns a la5 at deck.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I will be back to 109 flying because of G6. The firepower fits my fighter flying style of one pass one kill.

 

Probably I will CAP German targets and wait for enemy bombers.

[E69_geramos109]

Are you sure we are going to have the 108? I think on that period was nor available yet. Maybe in the future as a mod..

[dburne]

I will absolutely buy anything offered by these developers, but I would never fly the G6 or any 109 for that matter. Strictly Allies guy here.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Are you sure we are going to have the 108? I think on that period was nor available yet. Maybe in the future as a mod..

I believe Jason stated that it was being included.

 

I would hope that it is locked as a modification on maps where it doesn't fit (which should be most). Going on previous experiences of WOL and TAW I think it will be available far too frequently, just like the Vya-23 on a lagg3.

[Herne]

I will absolutely buy anything offered by these developers, but I would never fly the G6 or any 109 for that matter. Strictly Allies guy here.

 

Seems a shame to miss out on half the game.

[dburne]

Seems a shame to miss out on half the game.

 

Yeah you are probably right, just a personal preference. Besides I have not even flown anywhere near all the Allied planes yet, I tend to get one and stick with it for quite a while - get as proficient as I can with it. I have been flying a Yak-1 Series 169 campaign in PWCG for the last several months over Stalingrad, just now moving to the Spit for a Kuban campaign. Going to be spending the day getting acclimated to it.

[Herne]

I've recently tried PWCG for the first time, playing as allies. Really impressed, wish I had tried it sooner. I think it will be very popular with the new coop multiplayer mode. 
Because of time advancing due to in game injury, I also find myself in Kuban 1943, and part of a spitfire squadron. I love this bird, as far as my first campaign goes . . . I'm right where I want to be

[Barnacles]

I will absolutely buy anything offered by these developers, but I would never fly the G6 or any 109 for that matter. Strictly Allies guy here.

 

If you ever change your mind I think you'll find the 109 fun and a different challenge to the Russian planes, the Devs have done an excellent job of making it feel like the historical anecdotes say it was like and I promise you won't turn to dust when you click the 'fly' button

[Trooper117]

Bought it, and I'll fly it of course

[StG77_Kondor]

Bought it, and will fly it plenty. It's the best looking 109 ever made. 

[Blitzen]

Me....fer.....sure!

[senseispcc]

Buy 'em all, fly 'em all!

 

It's the only way. Nothing else works.

 

Same here, I buy them and fly them at least once (ju52) or more. The Me109 g6 is the most produced 109.-

Edited January 5, 2018 by senseispcc

[dburne]

If you ever change your mind I think you'll find the 109 fun and a different challenge to the Russian planes, the Devs have done an excellent job of making it feel like the historical anecdotes say it was like and I promise you won't turn to dust when you click the 'fly' button

 

Thanks, I may do so at some point in the future just for kicks and grins.

[Frenchy56]

Luckily i dont have to face that brute in my Bf-110 ヽ(´▽｀)ノ

You'll have to face La-5FN's though...

[GSP_Hund]

It's the extra firepower and the zits on the nose are ok with me.

Edited January 5, 2018 by II./JG77_Hund

[1_Robert_]

I’ll be flying it as I’m one of those want-to-be Hartmann’s

 

Looking forward to some better guns, and it will be interesting to see it’s performance. I’m guessing closer to a G2 performance-wise?

[III/JG52_Otto_-I-]

They mention the G6/U4 versión with the MK-108 30mm cannon in the store..

I suppose that all "Umrüst-Bausätze"and "Rüstsätze" conversion kits, will be included.

- G6/ U2: GM-1 nitrous oxide (laughing gas)
- G6/U2/ AS: MW-50  methanol & water injection
- G6/U3 reconnaissance version become G8
- G6/ U4: motorkannone Mk-108, 30 mm
- G6/ N: Night figther. 
- R1: ETC 500 IX B, 500kg Bomb rack.
- R2: Rb 50/30 camera reconnaissance version

Radiogoniometer system would be very interesting and useful, for returning to base in some VFR difficult conditions.
- R3 : 300 L external fuel tank.
- R4: 2 x MK-108 gumpods 30 mm cannons.
- R6: 2 x MG-151/20 gumpods 20 mm cannons. 
- R7. Peilfrufanlage (radiogoniometer)

 

Radiogoniometer system would be very interesting and useful, for returning to base in some VFR difficult conditions. 
By the way G6/U2/AS with MW50  had better performances than G2 and G4, ..and better than La-5 FN, too. 

Edited January 5, 2018 by III/JG52_Otto_-I-

[Royal_Flight]

I'm going to guess everyone !

 

Lets face it, who wouldn't want to set up a quick mission against wave after wave of a single PE-2 foe until you run out of 30mm ammo ?

 

Underrated post

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

What a Load of ****. The G-6s best Partypiece is the Patintochter, which ads a ton of Practicality in Low Visibility.

 

MW-50 was used in Service at it's earliest in April of '44 on the Western Front and until July less than 80 Machines had used it in Combat.

The G-6 never had it as Standard, only the G-14, K-4 and G-10 did.

On the Eastern Front it appeared at it's earliest in June 1944.

 

Our G-6 definetly doesn't come with MW-50 or GM-1.

 

What it does have is more useful Firepower and Radio Navigation.

So for poor Weather Ground Pounders/Ground Supporters it's the Obvious Choice for Destroying Heavy Aircraft and Soft Targets.

[Gambit21]

Buy - No Fly.

No time for that nonsense - too much A-20 business to take care of.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Bought it, and will fly it plenty. It's the best looking 109 ever made. 

 

G-10 or death!!

 

 

:P

 

G-14/AS would also apply, as it's very similar to the G-10 in looks, hopefully we will get it as a modification in Bodenplatte.

[Willy__]

Just bought it! Really looking forward to it, maybe it will make me leave my FW for a change. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Buy - No Fly.

No time for that nonsense - too much A-20 business to take care of.

 

This, and a some time in the P39 and Yak7b.

[CUJO_1970]

Didn't realize we were getting the MK-108

 

[StickMan]

Bought the G-6 and the La5FN and plan to fly them both. Doubt I'll be able to fly the G6 much on Wol since it seems the later war German stuff is hardly ever available. No 190 A5 no 110 G model etc. When I fly VVS on that server seems that the Yak 1b is a always a choice along with a few others. Maybe just my experience, don't know.

[Barnacles]

Bought the G-6 and the La5FN and plan to fly them both. Doubt I'll be able to fly the G6 much on Wol since it seems the later war German stuff is hardly ever available. No 190 A5 no 110 G model etc. When I fly VVS on that server seems that the Yak 1b is a always a choice along with a few others. Maybe just my experience, don't know.

 

There are plenty of other servers other than WoL that do allow most planes

Edited January 6, 2018 by 71st_AH_Barnacles

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

AS is the bigger supercharger modification for any later 109, like Merlin45 and Merlin46 for the Spitfire. It improves performance only at higher altitudes. So there is really not much reason to not get that modification either.

 

MW50 is for low altitude only, beneath 2000m. Above 2000m it is more advisable to save the additional weight the MW50 would add to the tank behind pilot and go with a hundred kg less. It still could not escape an La-5FN below 2000m, nor outrun a FW190. So why some people are so vehemently against it, is either inexplicable, or explicable by wanting to see the Luftwaffles have a later plane that would perform worse than the previous 109s no matter what. Digest that.

 

June '43 was also the time when La-5FN came in in numbers. We don't see anyone claming "the entire La-5FN is too late for the timeframe, so it should most certainly not be included!!!1". What some guys demand here was "no 605 AS, no MW50, no GM1, НЕТ братик!"

 

 

"What do you wish for Baldrick? That the LWs fly into battle armed with a spoon?"

Edited January 6, 2018 by 4./JG52_Fenris_Wolf

[9./JG27DefaultFace]

MW50 really did only show up mid 44 though.......

[Finkeren]

We don’t want the MW 50 for an early Bf 109G6, because it didn’t have it, plain and simple.

 

Just like we don’t want our early La-5FN to have the performance that later, more refined, series had.

 

Not difficult at all to understand.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Finkeren, that's like saying no Variometer for any 109 until G-10, because it was not in every 109 before that version.

What you don't seem to understand, or don't want to understand, is that German versions weren't standardized like other nations' aircraft, and that pilots were very much into working on their birds as well, depending on what was available. You'd get a different plane whether it was manufactured by Erla, BFW or Mttr. Hell, even Focke Wulf built 109s. Scarcity was everywhere, and sometimes not at all. The country was bombed to shreds and production numbers of Rüstsätze did not always match the number of aircraft. In the same Staffel you could have 5 Flieger out of 12 fly with Mw50, one having a newer supercharger, and a few also flying older G4 or G2. Due to production difficulties of any part here or there the late LW planes were often a patchwork, there were also G6s without 13mm and Beule, or with Friedrich's fins, or DB601 engines. Players should at least get some options of the available Umrüstssätze (mod kits) or Rüstsätze (arm kits). An Mw50 was always Nachrüstung, something that would be installed in hours later in the field, so no documentation on planes even delivered from factory with it. There was even a G5 designated AS with new superchargers used for recon missions. There were even crashed versions found that had no documentation in factory papers. It was a giant patchwork trying to win the war with severe production difficulties, bombs falling. If you want to read up a bit, a very good and thorough summary with a lot of sources is found here : http://www.klueser.eu/Me109.php

 

The sources are all given properly here in an academic fashion, so it is to be considered one of the best conclusive summaries currently available.

 

You seem to be unwilling to understand that. Both of you and Defaultface seem to spread a lot of shenanigans, and it's really getting annoying. I suggest you read Ottos post and several others, and start listening for once to other people here as well. Lots of people in the community bought this plane with different expectations than just getting a most basic barebones earliest version, that would lack everything that made the G6 so interesting. Also, to read up on actual sources, that include findings as well. Thanks.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

With all Love Fenris, but here you are simply completely out of our Timeframe. MW50 was retrofitted to some 109G-6s, but not unil April to May 1944, and that's less than 80, and all of those were used in the West. 

 

The first 109 to come out of the Factory with MW50 came in June, and the first ones to hit the Eastern Front most likely took at least until August 1944. 

It's just a Year late. 

 

As much as I would like it as well, it is anachronistic, 

Edited January 6, 2018 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[=RvE=Windmills]

The only possibility I see for it is if they are already developing the MW50 tech for the G14 anyway, and it would be minimal effort to add it to the G6. But even then it seems unlikely they are already working on that, and hardly warranted to put extra effort into something that was so rare and unnecessary for its primary scenario and timeframe.

Edited January 6, 2018 by Windmills

[9./JG27DefaultFace]

AFAIK it was standardised for the G-14 which arrived in France July 1944. Earlier in 1944 it was built into existing G-6 and G-6 AS aircraft. There was a difference in how the MW50 was pressurised and fed into the supercharger but otherwise the same. Although it would be nice to see as a mod to the G-6 for later use in Bodenplatte or 44 scenarios, early G-6 models like the ones in Kuban in 1943 would not have had MW50. Maybe GM-1 but I also understand this was more western front for high altitude combat. September 1943 it was apparently tested on a 190A4. All this leads me to believe it was probably in development/testing in late 1943 but not in widespread use on the frontlines. And seeing as the aircraft in game are standardised, it really wouldn't make sense for a mid 1943 G-6 to be flying around with MW50...

 

MW50 conversion kits arrived in spring 1944. According to one of Kurfürsts posts in the ED forum 250 conversion kits ordered in May 1944.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=173645

 

 

 

Most importantly from the performance POV, it has the MW 50 boost was now installed as standard, that boosted the 1475 PS output, obtained with 1.42ata boost of the DB 605A common in all the previous G-series to 1800 PS at 1.7ata manifold pressure, with the engine re-designated as DB605G (earliest designation), and later DB 605A/m or AM, the M obviously standing for methanol injection. This was a medium altitude fighter, with engine power falling off above 4000 meter back to methanol-less G-6 levels.

MW 50 boost was nothing new however, it was installed in aircraft from the spring of 1944, and in May alone 250 MW 50 retrofitting sets were ordered to convert existing G-6s for methanol boost. G-14 only entered production July 1944.

Quite simply to put, its just a rebranded late production G-6, nothing more. German datasheets from the period simply state for the G-14: "as G-6, but methanol boost is driven by supercharger air". Because frankly, the only difference between late G-6s with MW retrofit and G-14s was that the G-6 retrofits had separate pressurized air bottles installed to push the contents of the MW 50 tank into the supercharger inlet, while the G-14 did not carry such pressure bottles and simply tapped the supercharger for air pressure.

Edited January 6, 2018 by 9./JG27DefaultFace

[Finkeren]

Fenris: What you won’t accept (I think you are perfectly capable of understanding it) is that the MW 50 doesn’t fit with an early production G6 nor does it fit with the time frame of BoK. Therefore it does not belong in this sim just yet.

 

The G14 of BOBP is s different story ofc. That one will have MW 50 as standard.

[Dakpilot]

"Needing" Mw50 on G6 is a bit like "needing" aluminium spar late wing (and many other upgrades) on the FN which only was produced in 44

 

Cheers Dakpilot