Who is going to buy and fly the G-6?

[Kurfurst]

Thanks for the info BlackSix, much appreciated! To me it seems you have made very sensible choices.

 

 

 

You can choose between MK 108 and MG 151/20

 

Out of curiosity, will the gun cover in the cockpit also change when you select between the MG 151 and MK 108? (MK 108 had a bulkier cover)?

[Godspeed]

Finnish Camo

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/page-5?do=findComment&comment=537774

 

You can choose between MK 108 and MG 151/20

 

Thanks ! I will use my wallet when i get back from work

 

 

Update: Now proud owner of Bf-109 G6 <3

Edited February 14, 2018 by Godspeed

[BlackSix]

Thanks for the info BlackSix, much appreciated! To me it seems you have made very sensible choices.

Out of curiosity, will the gun cover in the cockpit also change when you select between the MG 151 and MK 108? (MK 108 had a bulkier cover)?

Anyway, we need an early version of G-6 with 20 mm gun for the Eastern Front in mid 1943.

Yes, the gun cover has changes

[Kurfurst]

Excellent! Thanks for the answers and for the feedback to the community!

[Guest deleted@50488]

These guys ( 1C / 777 ) never fail to impress me with their dedication 

Edited February 14, 2018 by jcomm-in-combat

[HBB*Hunger]

Just bought 2 of them! Horridoh!

[Voidhunger]

Im curious if they improve damage decals in the future. It doesnt look good if you score not critical hit with MK108 and there will be bullet holes from MG or nothing.

[SJ_Butcher]

Thanks god we will have an option to skip the 30mm gun, I hate it, slow and low fire rate

[DSR_A-24]

Thanks god we will have an option to skip the 30mm gun, I hate it, slow and low fire rate

Suit yourself.

 

Meanwhile I'll be laughing like a maniac lobbing basketballs at people.

[Voidhunger]

I cant wait for the MK108, I hope it will be available in the career mode without restriction.

[Wolfram-Harms]

Does G6 come with Finnish Camo Option?

 

If so, you'll have to live with the faked version of the Finnish air force insignia, cause the world-wide panic from swastikas

has increased so much, that even the Finnish emblem is getting censored - which had nothing to do with the Nazis.

 

[Mac_Messer]

Im curious if they improve damage decals in the future. It doesnt look good if you score not critical hit with MK108 and there will be bullet holes from MG or nothing.

As long as we all like progress, I`m content with what old IL2 pictured it as - hit plane falling apart. Bombers though, is a whole different matter - I`d imagine there should be decals of huge holes.

 

Thanks god we will have an option to skip the 30mm gun, I hate it, slow and low fire rate

Some men like to chip away, some like to cause huge explosions.

[Finkeren]

I cant wait for the MK108, I hope it will be available in the career mode without restriction.

There are no restrictions on field mods in RoF, can’t imagine why there would be in BoX.

[Cpt_Cool]

There are no restrictions on field mods in RoF, can’t imagine why there would be in BoX.

 

 

I seem to recall reading that there will be a historical precedence for mods available in the BOX career. But I have had no luck finding the post I am thinking of, so it may just be a figment of my imagination. 

[=GW=xshinel]

I'm still concerning about the roll rate of Bf109, seem it's too slow compare with some history data, in different altitude, it confused us

[Jade_Monkey]

If so, you'll have to live with the faked version of the Finnish air force insignia, cause the world-wide panic from swastikas

has increased so much, that even the Finnish emblem is getting censored - which had nothing to do with the Nazis.

 

I find it ironic that some people are panicking due to the lack of swastikas.

 

They've made a business decision, get over it. It's not a big deal either way.

[Notclear]

I find it ironic that some people are panicking due to the lack of swastikas.

 

They've made a business decision, get over it. It's not a big deal either way.

 

That's punish the finnish resistance, associated it with the 3th Reich and theirs crimes, which is false.

 

The law is no swatiska at all, ok, but finnish aiplanes skin need the 1945 insigns, this is not historical (as a truncated cross), but the skin would be more beautifull with it.

 

My opinion...

[Jade_Monkey]

What a brutal punishment. A video game company has partially modified their vanilla skins to play it safe and stay clear from any legal issues.

 

In the meantime, anyone can make a custom skin that can show anything you want, including swastikas.

 

Both sides of the argument are fetishising the symbol as a good/bad thing and can't move on.

 

In reality, we can all get what we want by using custom skins, so what's the problem?

[Notclear]

The problem is the hypocrisie concerning the finnish insigns considering them as germans ones.
On the other side, no problems with italian fascist mark or romanians, etc.
And the country which is the most punished in the game (german skins suffer less of theirs truncated cross) cause of the law is innocent, just a people defending their territory.
I feel bad for the finnish people, but maybe they live with that nicely, in that case, there is no problems.

 

That's right we can use custom skin if wanted, not my case, and finnish skins are for me useless cause I consider them as too ugly withe their big truncated marks.

 

I know I'm moaning for nothing, the law is the law, that I can easily get around it if I want, but I considering it unfair. Debate closed.

[Wolfram-Harms]

I find it ironic that some people are panicking due to the lack of swastikas.

 

They've made a business decision, get over it. It's not a big deal either way.

 

What gave you the funny impression that "someone" was panicking???

I just made a remark about the faking censorship of the Finnish air force emblem.

 

That was not just a decision made by 1C/777 - it happens everywhere; for example with plastic model kits.

A kind of generalised censorship that makes no sense really, but is nevertheless forced upon people.

 

Next step might be, that people are sent out to chisel all and any swastikas out of caves and rocks and mosaics,

which were designed and crafted more than 3000 years ago.

[Jade_Monkey]

1C/777 allows you to play with finnish swastika skin, they are simply not going to provide them for you.

 

If you think that's censorship you haven't seen real censorship yet.

 

Edit: if you prefer an analogy, BOS is like a "Bring your own wine" restaurant. They might not store the Chateau Lafite you were looking for but they will happily let you bring yours and provide you with the galsses and serve it to you.

Edited February 14, 2018 by Jade_Monkey

[Wolfram-Harms]

Call it self-censorship then.

[Jade_Monkey]

Are you self censoring yourself by not using a custom skin?

Edited February 14, 2018 by Jade_Monkey

[Aap]

1C/777 allows you to play with finnish swastika skin, they are simply not going to provide them for you.

 

If you think that's censorship you haven't seen real censorship yet.

 

It is censorship of course, but that is not 1C/777 fault, but some silly laws in a couple of countries. What hurts Finnish skins especially is the fact that these blue swastikas were actual aircraft insignia, not just some additional marks on tail like on German planes. So when you look at your wing from cockpit or look at another plane from any angle, up or down or side, the big ruined insignia just inevitably catches your eyes. It is like replacing Balkenkreutz on German planes or red stars on Soviet planes or red roundels on Japanese planes with some silly marks.

It is what it is due to the swastika laws of course, but while these restrictions have marginal impact on German skins, they definitely ruin the Finnish skins more.

[MeoW.Scharfi]

 

 

It is censorship of course, but that is not 1C/777 fault, but some silly laws in a couple of countries. What hurts Finnish skins especially is the fact that these blue swastikas were actual aircraft insignia, not just some additional marks on tail like on German planes.

 

We need alternatives! Let's have a new insignia on the wings.

 

[1_Robert_]

Finnish Camo

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/page-5?do=findComment&comment=537774

 

You can choose between MK 108 and MG 151/20

 

That is what makes this game unlike any other. Excellent communication and attentiveness to your community, thanks for responding. Now back to work

[Wolfram-Harms]

... that is not 1C/777 fault, but some silly laws in a couple of countries. What hurts Finnish skins especially is the fact that these blue swastikas were actual aircraft insignia...

It is what it is due to the swastika laws of course, but while these restrictions have marginal impact on German skins, they definitely ruin the Finnish skins more.

 

I'd like to see these "swastiak laws" - and if they forbid to show all and any swastikas - even those which have nothing to do with the Nazis - then it is just a stupid law.

We will not keep any neo-Nazis under control by such laws - it would be much more useful to find better ways. More intelligent ways.

 

But I guess we should stop debating this here - we are off-topic, and we won't change the laws here anyway.

Edited February 14, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[1_Robert_]

Am I correct in understanding that the G6 will have all 3 guns upgraded/more powerful than the G4? I know we will get the optional MK108 cannon, but I'm not sure if the 2 MGs are bigger in the G6 as well? Thanks

Edited February 14, 2018 by 1_Robert_

[Aap]

 

Hah, I actually thought if I should suggest replacing the broken swastikas with something less obvious, like a big blue cross or something, but have to admit that your alternative is more creative

Edited February 14, 2018 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Aap]

Am I correct in understanding that the G6 will have all 3 guns upgraded/more powerful than the G4? I know we will get the optional MK108 cannon, but I'm not sure if the 2 MGs are bigger in the G6 as well? Thanks

 

The default upgrade is MG's, 7.92 mm -> 13 mm. 

[CUJO_1970]

Guys,

 

Bf 109 G-6 is finished and it will be released with 3.001. We've done early version of this modification (but it's includes Mk108) and we are going to use G-6 in the BOK career.

Right now we've no 3-D models and technologies to show Erla Haube, MW-50, GM-1, Wfr.Gr.21, etc. All of this will appear during BOBP development.

Many of Luftwaffe units used Bf 109 G-6 in the second half of 1944 and I really want to include it in the future career, so maybe we'll add more modifications in the future.

I would like you to understand our situation and show some patience. Thanks)

 

Outstanding!

 

Thank you sir.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Both Russian and German law forbid swastikas except for use in historical texts, books, etc...

 

They are expressly forbidden on toys,  and under their laws, a video game is a toy.

 

It's the way it is and it's NOT the fault of Jason, 777, or 1C.

 

So let's get back to the subject of the G6, I think we can find enough to bicker about on that one alone...

 

[Wolfram-Harms]

Sounds good to me!

It's the way it is and it's NOT the fault of Jason, 777, or 1C.

 

Hey, I never said that. I criticised such generalising laws, which even hit the Finnish air force.

 

And I also said before: let's move on - it is off-topic anyway.

[Wolfram-Harms]

We are flying war planes here from the 2nd World War. We shoot with 20 mm calibre cannons (or bigger) at other people.
Still no one (or so I hope) would want to really do that to real people.

On the German side, flyers fly German planes which carried cannons, Balkenkreuz, and a swastika.

 

Now, neither the cannons nor the Balkenkreuz have to be removed - but that symbol on the tailplane.
And that is what I find a silly attempt to make those war scenarios look better.

 

I never said that the devs did this by themselves. It is forced upon people by law. And this law is censorship.

Not by my own definition, but by the definition of the word "censorship", as you can find it in dictionaries:

 

"Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable,

harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by government authorities or by community consensus."

 

As for white supremacists and hate-groups - I guess we all agree and know what we think of them.
They would use any symbol that they'd find attractive. But should I agree that this sign must be censored on historical planes from 1942,

just because hate-groups in 2018 copy those signs for their own rotten purposes?

Damn, I'm not a silly, stupid twit, and I hate it when I get treated like one by the politicians (who fail to come up with better measures against such hate groups).

 

And now I won't answer any more posts on this matter - this is the G-6 thread; so let's get back to topic.

[SJ_Butcher]

delete

Edited February 14, 2018 by SJ_Butcher

[Cpt_Cool]

Every month someone opens up a fresh can of whoop ass on this old broken down dead horse.

[Trooper117]

I occasionally fly a campaign as a German pilot... I fly the campaign in a historically marked aircraft. I certainly don't think for one minute I'm on some sort of advertising campaign for a Nazi system.

[dburne]

Every month someone opens up a fresh can of whoop ass on this old broken down dead horse.

 

Lol, it certainly does not seem to be about " Who is going to buy and fly the G6" anymore...

[LukeFF]

Oh look, it's the swastika topic being discussed for the 13467653155687432nd time. Very original, guys, very original.

Edited February 14, 2018 by LukeFF

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It's funny how real life variables can completely change people's outlook on a vehicle. In sim, no one ever wants a G2 over an F4, but in real life I've read real 109 pilots claiming they felt the G2/G4 was a much more desirable plane.

When not in my trusty Fw, the G2 is my ride of choice! Don’t over generalize.

Oh look, it's the swastika topic being discussed for the 13467653155687432nd time. Very original, guys, very original.

Nice try with the numbers pal but you are off by at least a factor of two!