Who is going to buy and fly the G-6?

[Aap]

Come on Kemp: You know perfectly well, that I understand your point of view, I just disagree.

 

What ticks me off is when you claim to have some kind of “facts” about how collector’s planes are to be treated differently than other planes. There are no such “facts”, just opinions.

Why are you making up stuff? Nowhere have I said that collector planes should be treated differently than other planes. I have just said that Bf109 G6 is a separate collector plane and not part of Battle of Kuban package. And that is a fact. I have said it simply as that twice in this thread and both times have been challenged into an argument for it. Want me to quote my posts for you? Edited February 4, 2018 by II./JG77_Kemp

[I./ZG1_Radick]

Finkeren, if you would actually play the game instead of play on the forums, you'd also be more interested in a diverse planeset, especially if you were playing Luftwaffe as well.

 

With everything revolving around mostly the 109 airframe, you'd see that diversity comes through mods.

 

:lol: :lol:

[Dakpilot]

Why are you making up stuff? Nowhere have I said that collector planes should be treated differently than other planes. I have just said that Bf109 G6 is a separate collector plane and not part of Battle of Kuban package. And that is a fact. I have said it simply as that twice in this thread and both times have been challenged into an argument for it. Want me to quote my posts for you?

 

 

I think you have said it at least 8 times starting on the 17th Jan   but who's counting

 

Why would we expect anything different than how the "separate collector plane" Yak-1b was released or the La-5 FN SERIES 2 mid 43

 

or for that matter any of the other time specific collector planes from the other releases

 

anyway this line of discussion has run its course, roll on the patch we are all waiting for MW-50 or not, before you start sounding even more like your avatar looks (joking reference to your Fink  avatar mentions  )

 

It is all good, we will have not enough time with all the new content to argue 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

[216th_Jordan]

That is great. I have not checked specific dates, just remember the explanation of why G6 was left out of Kuban package, because it came in too late.

 

Because initially it was only planned to have a Kuban timeframe of march to june.

 

Have MW50 when BoBP or any other later war scenario arrives? Sure! But these Devs don't give mods that don't fit the timeframe at all, if you want it otherwise go with DCS. And they will hopefully not make an exception to that rule because some guys are afraid their plane is not going to fly away from everything at ease.

 

Just wait for that dmn bird to arrive and enjoy it

Edited February 4, 2018 by 216th_Jordan

[Aap]

I think you have said it at least 8 times starting on the 17th Jan but who's counting

 

So can we get these eight quotes where I say that Bf109 G6 should be treated differently than other separate collector planes? Otherwise it is another made up "fact" by you or another case of you having trouble understanding the meaning of words.

[Aap]

Have MW50 when BoBP or any other later war scenario arrives? Sure! But these Devs don't give mods that don't fit the timeframe at all, if you want it otherwise go with DCS. And they will hopefully not make an exception to that rule because some guys are afraid their plane is not going to fly away from everything at ease.

 

Just wait for that dmn bird to arrive and enjoy it

Just to make sure, once again, I have nowhere demanded or expected MW50. Or any other mod for that matter. I have said, the more historical mods there are the better. I see that some people have problems with it. Maybe you should tell them to go fly DCS instead of whining here? We will already get a mod that was not used in Kuban. Whiners are out of breath about that matter?

P.S. Could you remind me how many Stukas with BK 3,7's were used during battle of Stalingrad?

Edited February 4, 2018 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Dakpilot]

So can we get these eight quotes where I say that Bf109 G6 should be treated differently than other separate collector planes? Otherwise it is another made up "fact" by you or another case of you having trouble understanding the meaning of words.

 

The whole thread is here for all to read...but I feel it is time to move on 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

[Mac_Messer]

-snip-

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

Everything you said in this post has been debunked several times before, in this very thread. No need repeating the same bs over and over.

[Aap]

The whole thread is here for all to read...but I feel it is time to move on

Cheers, Dakpilot

Exactly. So everybody could see that you put up another made up claim that has no truth in it ... if they bother to go through pages and pages of arguments that bring no value to them.

Anyway, moving on is a reasonable option this point.

[Dakpilot]

Everything you said in this post has been debunked several times before, in this very thread. No need repeating the same bs over and over.

 

Including all the 1944 VVS aircraft... LOL

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

[=RvE=Windmills]

Let's put it like this, you guys think investing effort into multiple 1944 mods for the G6 is likely when you're tight on development time and resources?

 

When there's plenty of historically appropriate content to devote that effort into?

[Wolfram-Harms]

Gents, maybe some of us should read the good old ancient Greeks more.

We might learn something about the art of debating and arguing without tearing each other apart?

Edited February 4, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[unreasonable]

Gents, maybe some of us should read the good old ancient Greeks more.

We might learn something about the art of debating and arguing without tearing each other apart?

 

A noble sentiment: but as denizens of this forum are devotees of a hobby in which their greatest pleasure is to swoop down on an unsuspecting enemy and machine gun him in the back, before diving away while their victim dies, screaming, why would you expect them to behave any differently just because their input instrument is a keyboard rather than a HOTAS? 

[Mac_Messer]

Let's put it like this, you guys think investing effort into multiple 1944 mods for the G6 is likely when you're tight on development time and resources?

 

When there's plenty of historically appropriate content to devote that effort into?

The sheer concept of a Collector Plane defeats your thesis.

[Finkeren]

The sheer concept of a Collector Plane defeats your thesis.

You can take that up with Kemp, because apparently he doesn’t think that collector’s planes should be treated differently from any other aircraft in this sim

[Aap]

You can take that up with Kemp, because apparently he doesn’t think that collector’s planes should be treated differently from any other aircraft in this sim

Didn't you claim the exact opposite just a couple of hours ago? Something that ticked you off? Or you just spit out whatever happens to come to your mouth to try to provoke a fight here?

[Finkeren]

Didn't you claim the exact opposite just a couple of hours ago?

Yep. I had gotten the impression from your posts that you wanted different standards for mods for the G6 because it’s a collector’s plane. You corrected me on that, and I of course believe you

 

But I hope you can see from Mac Messer’s post, how I could get that impression.

Edited February 4, 2018 by Finkeren

[Aap]

Yep. I had gotten the impression from your posts that you wanted different standards for mods for the G6 because it’s a collector’s plane. You corrected me on that, and I of course believe you

 

That is very nice of you. Probably the nicest thing you have said to me all year

[Finkeren]

That is very nice of you. Probably the nicest thing you have said to me all year

Believe it or not Kemp, I have nothing against you at all

 

I may not agree with your arguments, but you are passionate, and I can respect that.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

God you are like a bunch of old ladies. Get a life a post something interesting.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Like I said If the collector planes don't have to be "battle" specific why do they have to be German or Soviet. If one starts to expect the "pinnacle" of the air-frame outside of "battle of *" one may as well start asking for mosquitoes, Typhoons, Beaufighters etc. But then the argument will be It has to be a German aircraft.

Look on the bright side, It's a G6, It's yet another 109, it's German. Honestly I don't see any reason why 'German only' players want and expect more.

The collector planes have always been "battle" specific. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Can I have a YP-80 for Bodenplatte please?

 

[Rolling_Thunder]

Yeah and they better make the P-51 an H

[BlitzPig_EL]

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Why are you making up stuff? Nowhere have I said that collector planes should be treated differently than other planes. I have just said that Bf109 G6 is a separate collector plane and not part of Battle of Kuban package. And that is a fact. I have said it simply as that twice in this thread and both times have been challenged into an argument for it. Want me to quote my posts for you?

Kemp is right here.

 

This reminds me of that Professor Peterson debate against Newman.

[Ehret]

Yeah and they better make the P-51 an H

 

I would be very happy, if they would just make the A36 - a very overlooked plane with some nice features (nose mounted guns, airbrakes, the circular segmented leak resisting radiator). IMHO, a good match for the 190 in 1943.

Edited February 5, 2018 by Ehret

[unreasonable]

Kemp is right here.

 

This reminds me of that Professor Peterson debate against Newman.

 

A classic.

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

I would be very happy, if they would just make the A36 - a very overlooked plane with some nice features (nose mounted guns, airbrakes, the circular segmented leak resisting radiator). IMHO, a good match for the 190 in 1943.

 

While I totally agree with you, and really like the Allison engined P51, the issue is we have no maps appropriate for it.  Unless we get North Africa/Italy, or the far east, we won't see it...

 

A pic I took at the Thunder Over Michigan airshow a while back...

 

[Holtzauge]

@Red_Wulf and unreasonable: Thanks for the tip about the Peterson/Newman debate. Just watched the whole 30 min interview and it was truly well worth the watch. Especially for someone residing in northen Europe like me.

[Wolfram-Harms]

Saw Professor Peterson and this debate for the first time.

It was interesting (and frightening) again for me, to see how in modern debates people often try to shredder you, your thoughts and your trustworthyness.

How many people make arguments and discussians into such fights - and how few are able to really have an exchange about controversial views.

 

Often the aim in such debates seems to be, to destroy the others' credibility. That is war; that's pre stone age behaviour. I had hoped we'd be much further.

But I'm afraid we rather move backwards here.

Edited February 5, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[curiousGamblerr]

I can't wait for the update to come out so folks have something interesting argue about for a change... we've clearly run out of things to talk about around here the last few weeks

[GridiroN]

I can't wait for the update to come out so folks have something interesting argue about for a change... we've clearly run out of things to talk about around here the last few weeks

 

Avocado tastes like man-sweat, it's disgusting and anyone who likes it is also disgusting.

 

Fite me irl. 

[OrLoK]

I recently flew a 109 in game properly. What beasts they are.

 

Ill feel dirty but i might fly this after all.

[[N.O.G.F]_Cathal_Brugha]

Avocado tastes like man-sweat, it's disgusting and anyone who likes it is also disgusting.

 

Fite me irl. 

Now I know why my armpits smell like avocado.

[Wolfram-Harms]

Funny to see where a thread can go to after 16 pages...

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

An enthusiastic start, disturbed by "make G6 early '43 only, disregard 30mm just nerf it!!1", and then captured by trolling.

 

Mirror and witness to a biased, averagely toxic, somewhat frustrated community of gamers, not Simmers who'd want 20€ feature rich aircrafts. "Omg server admins won't block the MW-50, don't bring it!"... Face-palm indeed. Whiners, gamers, scoreboard-stat-lovers.

Edited February 8, 2018 by SCG_Red_Wolf

[=RvE=Windmills]

 

 

"Omg server admins won't block the MW-50, don't bring it!"

 

Nobody is demanding features to be removed.

 

Some guy thought MW50 was appropriate for the early timeframe for which it likely is intended. He was corrected, then LW persecution complex took over. That is all.

[SJ_Butcher]

Only thing I'm missing from Kuban is the 1.58/1.65ata FW190A5

1.65 ata is in the game...its a modification of fw190a5 jabo

[SJ_Butcher]

Honest question, not trying to troll you: against which other aircraft do you intend to fly the G-6 with MW-50 upon release? In SP or MP? Dserver or COOP? In which scenario would having this feature right now make the 'game' more of a 'sim' in your opinion?

 

I'm asking because even though I am in favor of the G-6 getting MW-50 (and any other late-war mods for that matter) eventually I still haven't heard anyone articulate how they plan to actually use this feature in a realistic way against the BOM/BOS/BOK plane sets. So, I can't see the sense of including late-war features until Bodenplatte content starts rolling out...as was done with the engine upgrade for the La-5 if I recall correctly.

I am fine with it, they can add all the modifications and unlock for every plane, just map makers have to use it correctly, and If they do a what if, what's the problem...in any case for devs is a waste of time re visit every plane after is already launched. The team is really small and I don't care if a bunch of babies cry for that

[BlitzPig_EL]

Nobody is demanding features to be removed.

 

Some guy thought MW50 was appropriate for the early timeframe for which it likely is intended. He was corrected, then LW persecution complex took over. That is all.

 

This is the whole thread boiled down to it's essence.