Bf 109 G-6 Skins

[Bucket109]

Pierre64 I understand what you mean thanks for the reply

[Pierre64]

5 hours ago, bucket_109 said:

Pierre64 I understand what you mean thanks for the reply

Glad to help !

Easier to understand with this .jpg (highly compressed) screenshot of the (brilliantly done) 2K default skin found in the mod made by Mitthrawnuruodo.

Thanks again to their authors, Gustav05 and Panzerbar !  

(This is a typical Erla 74/75/76 camouflage with 74/75/02 round blotches on the fuselage sides and sawtoothed wing pattern. For a comprehensive study of G-6s camos, have a look at this page of The Profile Paintshop by Anders Horjtsberg).

http://theprofilepaintshop.blogspot.fr/2013/10/chosing-correct-wingpattern-for-bf109g-6.html

[III/JG2Gustav05]

On 3/15/2018 at 9:30 AM, III/JG2Gustav05 said:

I am sorry that this specific skin is done by me.

BTW Reshade always makes it looks better.

[Madcop]

19 hours ago, Pierre64 said:

@bucket_109

On the G-6 skin, there are two different locations for texturing the lower part of the right fuselage Balkenkreuz, depending of the axial gun chosen.

 

- MK 108 (G-6/U4) : usual location (with no round port for compressed air. The MK 108 was actionned electrically IIRC).

- MG 151/20 : the texture including the port for compressed air (red and blue circle and "150 atü"stencil) is a rectangle located between the rear of the left side of the fuselage and the wingtip of the right wing underside... 

 

(Easier to explain with a screenshot but I post from my tablet). 

 

 

Hello Pierre

 

MK 108 on G-6/U4 : usual location ( Section 5 right side) Round port in blue-red-blue-red circle with black "Pressluft MK" 9.8 atü. below the circle. Compressed air supply. Electric firing.

MG 151/20 : Electric power supply and electric firing.. So, no round port on right side of Section 5 on G-6.

 

IHaRC...

 

Madcop

 

PS. You are French, you are ?

[Wolfram-Harms]

Ladies and gentlemen, for all who want to fly their brandnew Bf 109 G-6 with a halfways personal skin, I made 4 paintjobs for Kuban units.

Mind you, they are carrying the original swastika, so overspray it, if you feel bad with that.

 

The skins are for II./JG 3, II./JG 52, III./JG 52 and II./JG 53.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/file/m3g78b7z1cbdkmb/BoS_Bf_109_G-6_Provisional.7z

 

These are provisional skins, since I do not have the template for the G-6. They are made from a G-4, but with Pierre69's help

I managed to include the famous "Gustav blisters" and other parts. I think it is okay for until we receive the template.

I hope I do not step on anyone's foot with offering these skins. If so, pls write me a PM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 20, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[[353rd]Muscat]

1 minute ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

Gentlemen, for all who want to fly their brandnew Bf 109 G-6 with a halfways personal skin, I made 4 paintjobs for Kuban units.

Mind you, they are carrying the original swastika, so overspray it, if you feel bad with that.

 

The skins are for II./JG 3, II./JG 52, III./JG 52 and II./JG 53.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/file/m3g78b7z1cbdkmb/BoS_Bf_109_G-6_Provisional.7z

 

These are provisional skins, since I do not have the template for the G-6. They are made from a G-4, but with Pierre69's help

I managed to include the famous "Gustav blisters" and other parts. I think it is okay for until we receive the template.

I hope I do not step on anyone's foot with offering these skins. If so, pls write me a PM.

 

 

 

Thx buddy! nice one, superb!

[Wolfram-Harms]

Just now, 7./JG.54Muscat82 said:

Thx buddy! nice one, superb!

 

There are actually 4 skins in that package - enjoy!

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

Thanks Wolfram-Harms!, Needed some historical G6 skins and these are Great! .

 

Any one keen on giving this iconic skin a go? been dying to see this one done justice in IL2 for ages.

 

Walter Schuck's G-6:

 

 

 

 

[Wolfram-Harms]

Why not? We need more profiles for it, Sgt_Schultz. I wonder which colors that are - looks dark as Panzergrau?

 

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

Much appreciated Wolfram .

 

Yeah that's all I've been able to find so far, aside from a couple different images but of the same profile. I'd say so, it looks like Panzergrau to me.

 

[LukeFF]

8 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

Ladies and gentlemen, for all who want to fly their brandnew Bf 109 G-6 with a halfways personal skin, I made 4 paintjobs for Kuban units.

 

You need to work on desaturating and weathering your colors, as right now the skins look like plastic models.

[III/JG2Gustav05]

11 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

Ladies and gentlemen, for all who want to fly their brandnew Bf 109 G-6 with a halfways personal skin, I made 4 paintjobs for Kuban units.

Mind you, they are carrying the original swastika, so overspray it, if you feel bad with that.

 

The skins are for II./JG 3, II./JG 52, III./JG 52 and II./JG 53.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/file/m3g78b7z1cbdkmb/BoS_Bf_109_G-6_Provisional.7z

 

These are provisional skins, since I do not have the template for the G-6. They are made from a G-4, but with Pierre69's help

I managed to include the famous "Gustav blisters" and other parts. I think it is okay for until we receive the template.

I hope I do not step on anyone's foot with offering these skins. If so, pls write me a PM.

 

 

 

 

Nice try, Wolfram, I am not sure if your skin is based on historical accuracy. The JG52 fuselage yellow bend is located behind the Balkencross, instead of right on it which normally is JG54 style.

Edited March 21, 2018 by III/JG2Gustav05

[Wolfram-Harms]

5 hours ago, III/JG2Gustav05 said:

Nice try, Wolfram, I am not sure if your skin is based on historical accuracy.

 

No, I didn't do much research about the yellow markings. I think the pilots often had them individually done.

It's useless IMHO to try to nail down things as if they were "always done this or that way" - there is no such thing as "historical accuracy", that we could know 100%.

A lot was changed individually in the field.
I have seen a JG 52 Bf 109 with a yellow band in front of the Balkenkreuz.

 

I just wanted to give people some skins for the G-6. The nitpickers should better wait for the official template.

[Danziger]

31 minutes ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

 

No, I didn't do much research about the yellow markings. I think the pilots often had them individually done.

It's useless IMHO to try to nail down things as if they were "always done this or that way" - there is no such thing as "historical accuracy", that we could know 100%.

A lot was changed individually in the field.
I have seen a JG 52 Bf 109 with a yellow band in front of the Balkenkreuz.

 

I just wanted to give people some skins for the G-6. The nitpickers should better wait for the official template.

Some people like their planes to look like they are in serviceable condition. One of the things that always irked me from the beginning was the fact that the planes FM are modeled as factory fresh but the weathering looks like something abandoned in a field somewhere and found again 20 years after the war yet was clear coated over the top of that weathering and polished to a glass mirror shine. 

 

It's all subjective though. Do your skins the way you want. People who like them will download them. People that don't like them don't have to.

[Trooper117]

I'm using them 

Makes a change to have one 'straight out of the factory' shining like a new pin!

[Madcop]

53 minutes ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

 

No, I didn't do much research about the yellow markings. I think the pilots often had them individually done.

It's useless IMHO to try to nail down things as if they were "always done this or that way" - there is no such thing as "historical accuracy", that we could know 100%.

A lot was changed individually in the field.
I have seen a JG 52 Bf 109 with a yellow band in front of the Balkenkreuz.

 

I just wanted to give people some skins for the G-6. The nitpickers should better wait for the official template.

 

Hello Wolfram

That's what people use to say when they don't know what they are doing or talking about, sorry !

And please , stop that bul...t about nitpickers !

Fortunately for us developers are serious. ( And even serious people can have it wrong sometimes, especially with "sensible" topic as the Bf 109.)

Do not add to the confusion !

Please respect their work or the work of Third Party willing to help !

Next time just put your skins in a " What if " category...

Sorry to sound harsch , but there is already so much crappy Bf 109 profiles everywhere that have  now been considered as "historical", that it is not worth for you to add.

 

Next time , take a picture, open your eyes, inform yourself and go back to work.

There are enough good skinners on this forum to inspire you ( I really hope !).

 

Madcop

[Wolfram-Harms]

I have also "weathered skins" in my own use, and made some for download (see skins section).

 

But the G-6 is brandnew right now, so I made a freshly painted and delivered one.
Later, when it appears in service in the Kuban region, I will also make others with signs of service wear.

 

Weathering is a matter of taste also - some use it a lot and heavily. I prefer "milder" weathering.
But each as he/she likes.

 

14 minutes ago, Madcop said:

That's what people use to say when they don't know what they are doing or talking about, sorry !

 

Man, what are YOU trying to tell me here?

Did I ever say: Look, I have made 4 historical skins? No.

These skins show the right emblems for the Kuban units, right? And they show the right group colors for the numbers, or so I think.

 

I spent an afternoon and an evening time to give all those, who cannot make skins, some believeable G-6 skins.

(Meanwhile I wished I hadn't made all the work, but flown 3 - 4 missions in the time!)

 

So, who are YOU to appear here and judge my stuff? Are you the "President of the International Grand Jury of Historically Correct Skinning"?

If you don't want to use them, you don't have to. Just move on your way, and don't try to teach me what to say or do, okay?

 

 

 

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[Madcop]

Yes, sorry for that , you are right , you had better flown these 4 missions ...

Madcop

[Frenchy56]

I doubt the winged sword appeared alongside the red cross, since they were from different staffels of the JG52. The red devil seems oversized as well.

 

Also, get your head out of your ass. These are the very first skins that come out for this plane, everyone's looking at you. And someone's bound to say something. You could receive it a bit more gracefully.

If you haven't noticed these forums are mostly made up of people who've been looking at plane profiles in historical magazines and on the Internet all their lives.

Good job taking your time to make them however. I personally haven't tried skinning yet.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Frenchy56

[Wolfram-Harms]

33 minutes ago, Frenchy56 said:

I doubt the winged sword appeared alongside the red cross, since they were from different staffels of the JG52. The red devil seems oversized as well.

 

The "winged sword" is the overall emblem for Jagdgeschwader 52. The "red cross" is the emblem of III./JG 52.
Some pilots carried both, the main JG emblem, and the Gruppe emblem, as you can see on some famous skins of JG 54,

which carry the "green heart" and also the Gruppe emblem. Then some others carried the main JG emblem plus their

Staffel emblem (like Hartmann's "Karaya").

 

They did that before you were even born - no matter what you doubt or not.

 

 

What should I "receive gracefully"?

That the first guy opens his post with the words "Nice try, Wolfram..." ??

That Madcop wrote "...so much crappy 109 profiles everywhere..." ??

 

I only say it one more time - those skins are NOT the historical skins of any historical pilot - which I NEVER claimed -

they are fictional but possible skins for those players, who want to have some fun flying the Bf 109 G-6.

 

How can my skins confuse anybody who is interested in historical skins, I wonder,

when they are not published in a book claiming to show historical skins? Some of us are here to have some fun, you know?

Something you self-nominated Guardians of the Galaxy may have forgotten about: fun!

 

 

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[[353rd]Muscat]

On ‎20‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 6:43 AM, Pierre64 said:

Glad to help !

Easier to understand with this .jpg (highly compressed) screenshot of the (brilliantly done) 2K default skin found in the mod made by Mitthrawnuruodo.

Thanks again to their authors, Gustav05 and Panzerbar !  

(This is a typical Erla 74/75/76 camouflage with 74/75/02 round blotches on the fuselage sides and sawtoothed wing pattern. For a comprehensive study of G-6s camos, have a look at this page of The Profile Paintshop by Anders Horjtsberg).

http://theprofilepaintshop.blogspot.fr/2013/10/chosing-correct-wingpattern-for-bf109g-6.html

Hi buddy were i can download this skin of G6?

[Frenchy56]

What I'm looking here is to have fun with stuff that looks OK from a historical standpoint. I'd be playing War Thunder if that wasn't the case. Soviet planes clubbing stupid German and Allied pilots with my late-war Yaks.

They did that before I was born, sure, but that's the whole damn point of liking WW2 planes. The fact that they're from a past that we haven't experienced, and we always want to know more about it.

Even though Madcop here is being a bit passive-aggressive, you shouldn't stoop down to his level and just spazz out like that. There's something we don't really like about these skins and we have the right to voice it. We're still gonna use them though since it's the only option as of now.

 

I have never seen a 109 from JG 52 with the Staffel and Geschwader emblems at the same time. That stuff kind of ticks me off, you know, unless you can provide a picture. But whatever, you can stop throwing spears at everyone who tries to criticize your work since this discussion is over.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Frenchy56

[[353rd]Muscat]

9 minutes ago, Frenchy56 said:

What I'm looking here is to have fun with stuff that looks OK from a historical standpoint. I'd be playing War Thunder if that wasn't the case. Soviet planes clubbing stupid German and Allied pilots with my late-war Yaks. And this is my only choice right now to get an original swastika on the tail.

They did that before I was born, sure, but that's the whole damn point of liking WW2 planes. The fact that they're from a past that we haven't experienced.

Even though Madcop here is being a bit passive-aggressive, you shouldn't stoop down to his level and just spazz out like that. There's something we don't really like about these skins and we have the right to voice it. We're still gonna use them though since it's the only option as of now.

 

I have never seen a 109 from JG 52 with the Staffel and Geschwader emblems at the same time. That stuff kind of ticks me off, you know, unless you can provide a picture. But whatever, you can stop throwing spears at everyone who tries to criticize your work since this discussion is over.

 

Calm down a bit Frenchy, if you want historical skins you can search the forum, or do it yourself if you know how to do it, but that's already your problem, I don't see the reason to criticize others in such an aggressive way, when they're already telling you that it's not a historical skin, that it's personal, so if you don't like it don't download it, and please leave the aggressive tone at home...

Edited March 21, 2018 by 7./JG.54Muscat82

[Danziger]

59 minutes ago, Frenchy56 said:

Also, get your head out of your ass. These are the very first skins that come out for this plane, everyone's looking at you. And someone's bound to say something. You could receive it a bit more gracefully.

If people didn't act like cork-sniffing assholes with their criticism I am sure it wouldn't have been a problem. It is pretty easy to point out mistakes or inaccuracies and still be polite. It just takes a little extra time thinking about others before you post. Before I post any criticism of someone's work, I read over it and ask myself how I would like it if someone was posting this about my own work.

[[353rd]Muscat]

9 minutes ago, BorysVorobyov said:

If people didn't act like cork-sniffing assholes with their criticism I am sure it wouldn't have been a problem. It is pretty easy to point out mistakes or inaccuracies and still be polite. It just takes a little extra time thinking about others before you post. Before I post any criticism of someone's work, I read over it and ask myself how I would like it if someone was posting this about my own work.

 

I agree with you,

that kinds of comments offend me, people who criticize rudely the work of others whether good or bad, historical or non-historical, but they are not the authors of anything.
It's easier to criticize than to contribute, so I'm gonna ignore this guy.

Edited March 21, 2018 by 7./JG.54Muscat82

[Danziger]

8 minutes ago, 7./JG.54Muscat82 said:

 

I agree with you,

that kinds of comments offend me, people who criticize rudely the work of others whether good or bad, historical or non-historical, but they are not the authors of anything.
It's easier to criticize than to contribute, so I'm gonna ignore this guy.

It isn't everybody and some people are quite polite. Then there are people that have English as a second or third language or not at all and use translators. So you have to also take into account is the person clearly being rude or not. For example I don't think Gustav was trying to be rude but someone reading "nice try" in just black and white letters could take it both ways.  

[Pierre64]

28 minutes ago, 7./JG.54Muscat82 said:

Hi buddy were i can download this skin of G6?

This skin, and a lot more for this GAME (remember, guys, this is a game !!!) posted by Mittrawnuruodo here :

(beware ! svastikas inside)

 

[Frenchy56]

Made me boot up GIMP and take a look at how to do skins.

 

Guess I'll dust off my graphic tablet when I start getting bored.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Frenchy56

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

1 hour ago, Frenchy56 said:

Also, get your head out of your ass. These are the very first skins that come out for this plane, everyone's looking at you. And someone's bound to say something. You could receive it a bit more gracefully.

 

 

You have got to be kidding me dude... take what gracefully exactly, nasty piece of destructive criticism? You and Madcop are the ones who need to take their head out of their asses mate.

 

@Madcop Take it or leave it, if you don't like it feel free to leave some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, but don't disrespect someone elses work, and then preach about respecting the work the skinning community does . I don't see either of you pundits doing any better. 

[Frenchy56]

Just now, Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz said:

 

You have got to be kidding me dude... take what gracefully exactly, nasty piece of destructive criticism? You and Madcop are the ones who need to take their head out of their asses mate.

 

@Madcop Take it or leave it, if you don't like it feel free to leave some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, but don't disrespect someone elses work, and then preach about respecting the work the skinning community does . I don't see either of you pundits doing any better. 

i-i'll start soon i swear

[Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz]

2 minutes ago, Frenchy56 said:

Made me boot up GIMP and take a look at how to do skins.

Yeah good idea, everyone should do that before leaving comments on other peoples skinning work. Might make them appreciate the time and effort put into them a bit more.

[Frenchy56]

Just now, Stlg13/Sgt_Schultz said:

Yeah good idea, everyone should do that before leaving comments on other peoples skinning work. Might make them appreciate the time and effort put into them a bit more.

I used to draw a bit with that tablet some time ago. Pretty freaking tedious, and looked bad in my opinion.

[[353rd]Muscat]

26 minutes ago, BorysVorobyov said:

It isn't everybody and some people are quite polite. Then there are people that have English as a second or third language or not at all and use translators. So you have to also take into account is the person clearly being rude or not. For example I don't think Gustav was trying to be rude but someone reading "nice try" in just black and white letters could take it both ways.  

 

I wasn't referring to Gustav, I was referring to Frenchy56.
Besides, what's wrong with using translators?  you have to understand that English is not the mothertongue of many people in this forum, for example me, I think that the important thing is to know how to communicate well to others, what you want to say in an educated way, even if you have grammar mistakes. isnt it?

[MeoW.Scharfi]

Is it possible to have a similiar skin for G6? Since the one of the 4./JG52 is my favorit or at least with the emblem(cat) and number 3

 

[[353rd]Muscat]

23 minutes ago, Frenchy56 said:

I used to draw a bit with that tablet some time ago. Pretty freaking tedious, and looked bad in my opinion.

 

one more reason for you to better appreciate each other's work and time before you make another aggressive remark.

2 minutes ago, MeoW.Scharfi said:

Is it possible to have a similiar skin for G6? Since the one of the 4./JG52 is my favorit or at least with the emblem(cat) and number 3

 

 

This skin is from the simulated combat group pack? Talk to SGC_riksen. I think he's the creator of that series.

[MeoW.Scharfi]

I am more intrested into the squadron emblem of 4./JG52 which is historical. 

 

even SGC makes some really really awesome skins! <3

Edited March 21, 2018 by MeoW.Scharfi

[Wolfram-Harms]

On 3/21/2018 at 3:20 PM, Frenchy56 said:

I have never seen a 109 from JG 52 with the Staffel and Geschwader emblems at the same time. That stuff kind of ticks me off...

 

Frenchy, what ticks me off is, when people enter their comments with words like "Nice try...", or when they write as aggressive as Madcop did.
Maybe Gustav didn't mean it as offensively as it seemed to me - maybe English is not his native language either?

Maybe we should all join Jack Nicholson's therapy as in "Anger Management"?

 

Only because you haven't seen something doesn't mean that it couldn't have been.
Here is a profile from JG 54 carrying all three emblems: JG emblem (green heart), Gruppe emblem of III. Gruppe (arms with the three aircraft);

and the Staffel emblem (red devil) of 9. Staffel. So it wasn't forbidden to do that. And in that case, it could have been done also in other units.

I say COULD - "could" as in "could-be skins".

 

 

The image below shows a skin which I DID mean to be a more historical one - a Walter Nowotny paint.

But even then - no matter how many photos we study - we may have this paint blotch or that brush strike wrong.

Cause that is something I learned when I built models: however much you research - it will never be the real aircraft...

 

And now I guess we should come back own again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Frenchy56]

True, squadrons were authorized to paint these emblems on their planes,  the most famous ones to do so were the Gruenherz Geschwader indeed.

I believe that doesn't mean that you can deduce that other squadrons did them too in a common way without any photographic evidence, and the Propagandaministerium was glad to give us enough of that. About 70 years of research on the subject as well. This would be what I'd call artistic freedom.

Oh well, I'd have liked a historical skin as the first G-6 custom skin. A different brush stroke on the camo mottling is quite different from an entire emblem.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Frenchy56

[Wolfram-Harms]

25 minutes ago, MeoW.Scharfi said:

Is it possible to have a similiar skin for G6? Since the one of the 4./JG52 is my favorit or at least with the emblem(cat) and number 3

 

If Riksen can do it, he should have the details already, and he is a good "skinner" IMHO.
If he can't, I can try it for you.

But be aware - we may receive a shit storm for historical inaccuracy...!

 

2 minutes ago, Frenchy56 said:

Oh well, I'd have liked a historical skin as the first G-6 custom skin.

 

I make you an offer: you seem to have good detailed info on historical aircraft (I only collect, what I find here or there).

 

Come up with a really well documented Bf 109 G-6 skin you would like to fly - and I'll make it for you.
(If you still want to fly one of my skins...)

 

 

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[Frenchy56]

How about Franzisket's G6/R6? My dad has a model of it on his shelf, I think it's from Hasegawa. Seen it since I was little.

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by Frenchy56